Shrugging to Florida

Posted by Bethesda-gal 7 years, 4 months ago to Ask the Gulch
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We've had it with the leftist area we live in and are working towards relocating to Florida panhandle in the near future. Any suggestions / insights ?


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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's fine except you are still subject to the same regime that may be trying to enslave you. Neighbors do snitch on neighbors when offered enough incentive. Better to leave completely if possible.
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  • Posted by editormichael 7 years, 4 months ago
    states with walloping tax rates at the highest income levels:

    California: 13.3 percent (no surprise)
    Oregon: 9.9 percent
    Minnesota: 9.85 percent
    Iowa: 8.98 percent
    New Jersey: 8.97 percent
    Vermont: 8.95 percent
    District of Columbia: 8.95 percent
    New York: 8.82 percent
    Hawaii: 8.25 percent
    Wisconsin: 7.65 percent
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  • Posted by editormichael 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Seven states decline to tax residents' incomes as of 2017: Alaska, Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Washington, and Wyoming.
    Additionally, New Hampshire and Tennessee tax only interest and dividend income—you can keep your earned income tax free.
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  • Posted by editormichael 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sorry, but conservatives are part of the problem.
    Conservatives advocate more government, just as do so-called liberals, just differently oriented more government.
    What Florida needs, and what every state needs, is libertarians: supporters of freedom, advocates of rational approaches to government.
    Isn't Trump considered a conservative victory?
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  • Posted by editormichael 7 years, 4 months ago
    Never would I say a word against Florida. Some of my best friends live in Florida. But would I want my sister to live there?
    OK, seriously, one thing I will say against Florida: Humidity.
    OK, two things: Hurricanes.
    Instead, I highly recommend Free State West.
    Free State West is, for now, Cochise County, the southeastern corner of Arizona.
    Like the other 57 states, Arizona has rotten politicians, miserably mis-educated voters, but it also has a heritage of freedom missing from most other states.
    This county also has some gorgeous scenery, the nicest people I have met anywhere in these United States, and a really intriguing history, including being the home of the 10th Cavalry.
    And weather.
    Yes, we do have weather.
    It's been rather chilly, even downright cold, these last few days, but, after living in, visiting, or working in more than three-dozen states, I love this area most.
    And, even more important, if we can get even just a few dozen serious lovers of liberty to join us, we could effect some changes here, could make our area a home for advocates of freedom and an example to, first, the rest of Arizona, then to the rest of the Southwest, then perhaps to each of these United States.
    Please look at www.freestatewest.com and/or our Facebook page, facebook.com/freestatewest1
    And feel free to ask me any questions, too. Thank you.
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  • Posted by sma1670 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Santa Rosa Beach (my current home) is a blink between Panama City Beach and Destin. Living there usually means commuting.
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  • Posted by sma1670 7 years, 4 months ago
    The Destin area is booming, property values are high and getting higher. For a more suburban, bang for your buck area, Niceville is beautiful. Pensacola is growing more urban but there seems to be more popping up around it everyday. I live/work in the santa Rosa beach area (next to destin) it's glorious but expensive. Home that were $500,000 two years ago are worth more than $800,000 now. All very conservative areas... many are vocally pro-trump.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 7 years, 4 months ago
    Too bad you didn't shrug there in 2009. You could've bought a mansion for the price of a trailer.

    I'm from FL, and can not believe the buildup in the last 30 years. Just amazing. I like it there, except for the traffic and humidity.
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  • Posted by Peggy 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Jax is NORTH EAST. The Panhandle is NORTH WEST. It would not be down state. The coast of Florida is indented in this area which you can see on a map. That indentations towards the west is what saves us from horrible hurricane damage most of the time.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I suspect that living close to a coast doesnt gain you much. Living on the boonies in some mountainous area probably allows for more escaping if necessary.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I look at the hiding in plain sight as a lower cost approach to freedom. It means living in a less populated area where you can produce most of your food (without paying taxes on it), trade with other like-minded people without taxation on that, and in general living quietly without attracting attention.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh, personal story, but do not desire to go further down-state. So it’s either panhandle or elsewhere.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, my husband and I would be two more for the conservative ( or anti-establishment, as I really feel i should describe my views) side!
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 4 months ago
    I live in the Tampa Bay area. Mostly conservative. Relatively small tourist invasion compared to east coast. T.B. is the west coat of the east coast and is on the Gulf of Mexico. Not as good if you 're a surfer.. But mild waves and warm water year 'round.
    More rural and very friendly folks.. Even so, Clearwater beach is ranked in the top 10 every year. Good Luck!
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I haven't found such a place. As for hiding in plain sight, you can as long as you continue to pay taxes at gunpoint which defeats the purpose and violates John Galt's primary principles. Not to mention putting up with thousands of meddling repugnant laws.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It was an assumption that Bethesda-gal wanted coast since she was looking at the panhandle of Fl on the gulf.
    But yes, that is a possibility.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    my older son went there...most of the northern half of the state is very conservative...I live in ft Lauderdale...Debbie wasterman Schultz.terrritory
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think there isnt a place in the USA where Gulchers could do anything except hide in plain sight. Might be the only way to go , and its not that hard to do.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You mention that TN has no coast. Are you thinking of coastline as a route of escape?
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Maybe thats because there are a lot of older people who are dependent on the state for SS and Medicare.
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  • Posted by dukem 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    New Mexico has no state income tax and is one of the poorest and most leftist states. I just moved here for other reasons. I had considered western North Carolina, and recommend Hendersonville (right) vs. Asheville (left) due to recent migration changes.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 7 years, 4 months ago
    We need a LOT of conservatives to move to FL to counter the influx of Democrats, Illegals, and soon to be Ex con voters...
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  • Posted by Peggy 7 years, 4 months ago
    Why the panhandle? History proves Jax is better for hurricane protection based on the contour of the coast line. And we will take ALL conservative comers.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks jbrenner. Neither my husband nor I are chemical engineers :) But we'll be sure to add Santa Rosa Beach to our list to investigate. Some place with an authentic small town feel, if such a thing exists, would be great to find.
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