Shrugging to Florida

Posted by Bethesda-gal 7 years, 4 months ago to Ask the Gulch
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We've had it with the leftist area we live in and are working towards relocating to Florida panhandle in the near future. Any suggestions / insights ?


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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A friend used to spend January through March there every year, about 1955-1970. He did spiritual study there.
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  • Posted by RevJay4 7 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Might want to look at Hobe Sound, east coast of FL, between West Palm and Sturart. Set far enough back from the coast for comfort during hurricanes and the hot season. One of my sisters lives there and loves it. Check it out.
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  • Posted by RevJay4 7 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Trump has only been in office for just under a year. To expect his policies to completely reverse 8+ years, maybe decades, of leftist/establishment crap in that period of time is unrealistic. What he has done is nothing short of amazing.
    Think Patton in WWII. That's kinda how I look at Trump and his actions. No PC, what ya see is what ya get. Idolatry not involved, just waiting for the next step in thwarting the leftist/establishment agenda. The swamp was not filled in a day, and it will take a long time to be drained. Trump is getting the denizens to show their true colors, little by little. Luvin' it.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oy, the picture of 'old people' sitting around drinking is grim !! Yikes, my husband and I definitely need to come up with a plan for doing more than that.
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  • Posted by Beatlemicah 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Lakeland, FL area is about 30 minutes to Tampa driving west, and about 30 minutes to Orlando driving East. Those Cities have younger people and fewer retirees. It's a way to be near the action, (concerts, Disney World, etc.) yet live in a more relaxed setting. Also when my 22 year old twin sons visit Cape Coral, they say it's all older retired people and there's no one their age to date or hang out with. In Fort Myers and Cape Coral, the retirees mostly just drink alcohol for recreation. Fort Myers beach is nice with old people on the beach (I'm old myself). I'm originally from Salt Lake City, Utah, so I'm no stranger to the snow life, but I like your idea of a winter vacation home in Florida.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks Beatle ! You might consider retaining your FL home (and residency) for tax purposes, and to vacation in during the most bitter parts of the winter. I'm betting you're reasonably comfortable in your Cape Coral home while I can guarantee your sons are freezing their...ears off in PA, as we are here in Maryland. PA during the summer should be lovely, but hold on to that FL house ! :)
    Can I ask you - what would make you want to relocate from Cape Coral to Lakeland ??
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  • Posted by 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Reality doesn't go away, but different priorities rise to take precedence. You sound like you want the perfect to be the enemy of the good. I'd far rather have Donald Trump as president than anyone else that I can think of at the moment, on either side of the aisle. Work on spreading ideas all you like but it won't make a jot of difference if we don't have someone (Trump) out in front cutting the opposition (enemy?) down to size.
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  • Posted by ewv 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Reality doesn't go away just because you don't have a better alternative at the moment. Trump is what he is, not the Savior. Trump idolatry is not saving us from his emotional thinking following the same statist premises in his own way. Your adulations sound like "Mr. Thompson will save us."

    We have no time or personality cults and no time to not to engage in spreading the proper ideas required.
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  • Posted by Beatlemicah 7 years, 4 months ago
    A couple of years ago I retired and left San Diego to move to Cape Coral, FL. That's in the Fort Myers area. Houses were cheap (and still are, comparatively). I enjoy living in Florida, though it is a little boring after the big city life. The wildlife is beautiful, and seeing the occasional alligator is fun. I got used to the humidity. For me the only downside is the bugs. All the ants bite and sting. The bigger ones leave scars. Avoid them. Now I'm moving to Pennsylvania near NYC just to be close to my sons who live and work there. If not for my kids, I would stay in Florida, and relocate to Lakeland, FL area (between Tampa and Orlando.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Unless you can put forth a better alternative than Trump than you are being unrealistic, which we have no time to indulge in because this is a zero-sum game: if Trump hadn't won, someone else who was an establishment politician selling out to their special interest groups would have. (very slight possibility Cruz might have governed according to the Constitution, but he's not a deal-maker like Trump and so would have been ineffective.) Trump is the incredibly correct mix of skill sets needed with not caving to public opinion. I will enthusiastically support the re-election of Trump and hope he drains the swamp completely enough, and tears down the lies of political correctness sufficiently that reality is resurrected. Then there will be the space for a Founding Father to be president again. Although it might take much longer for our electorate to become as educated as it needs to be.
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  • Posted by ewv 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Taking the time to rationally explain something to you is not "long winded". Donald Trump is not "righting the ship" and is not capable of it. However bad the alternative of Hillary was it does not follow that Trump is a savior and beyond criticism of his fundamental flaws. It is not "naive and myopic" to reject the Trump idolatry.

    The necessity of defending reason and individualism is not a "high minded ideal" for which there "is no time", it is all that will turn the contrary around. There are no shortcuts.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    P.S.
    We ( the nation, the world) is at such a brink that there is no time for any high minded ideals to try to win the day with arguments. We are far beyond that. Someone like Trump must pull us back from the brink with his actions and then he can turn over the reigns to the next guy (or gal like Nikki Haley) who can put forth all the arguments they like to win over peoples’ minds.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I’ll reply to your very long-winded response by asking: What better even slightly better alternative do you suggest who could right our nation’s ship than Donald Trump?
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  • Posted by ewv 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is not naive and myopic to see what Trump is and what he is not. Trump idolatry following a 'man on the white horse' is naive and dangerous. The conservative movement does not understand that the course of a nation depends on its dominant ideas, and that the ideas required are those of the philosophy of reason and individualism, and neither does Trump understand it. "Instincts" and "deals" are no match for the dominant intellectuals whose false premises of altruism, collectivism and statism have been setting the direction of the country contrary to its original American individualist sense of life for over a century.

    Trump and his "populist" support are a blip on the radar screen as a minority of the country desperately thrashes in a temporary backlash within a continuing downward trend caused by acceptance of an anti-American philosophy originally spread from Europe. They don't know what direction to go in, only "not the current swamp", with no idea how and why it became what it is.

    A swaggering man who doesn't know the difference between truth and falsehood in his life of the non-stop sales pitch and "deals" for anything is not the kind of leadership that is required to save this country. No one else makes him do that and no one else made him support a government "replacement" for Obamacare, punitive tax increases against his perceived enemies, an anti-private property rights and Federal lands policy, or his other attacks on individualism and freedom. He is not "perfect for the times".

    Whatever time Trump buys in some realms because he is not a radical left ideological progressive, he is not reversing the decline of this country, nor as a range of the moment Pragmatist with statist premises himself does he know the right direction. It is not enough to be against something, you must know what you are for and work to achieve it intellectually. People are lashing out against the results of collectivism around the globe, only to pursue another variant of it.

    You can try to find a better area of the country to live in with less emphasis on high taxes and controls because there are still differences across the nation, but they are temporary differences within a uniform downward trend exploited and pushed by Washington politics, but not caused by it. Leftist policies are expanding everywhere because of the spread and increasing acceptance of leftist ideas and their widely accepted false philosophic premises.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My labs aren't that famous ... yet. Those "tourists" are my apprentices (and good ones who pay me well, too!).

    I live in a small suburb of Melbourne called Suntree/Viera. Most homes here are around 2000-2500 sq. ft. with lots that take around 35 minutes to cut with a push mower (maybe 0.3 acre).

    The panhandle gets colder than most people realize. At times like this, the panhandle will have nights that get down into the 20's pretty regularly. When one gets halfway down the Florida peninsula, you might get a freeze 0 to 3 mornings per year, but the high temperatures will not reach 60oF but one day per year. The Melbourne area is the coolest in the summer in Florida (90-93 pretty consistently for 4 months, but almost never 95), but somewhat warmer in the winter because of its ocean proximity. Today, for instance, people are talking about it being cold, but the temp is around 65. It feels good to me!
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  • Posted by 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I find your criticisms of Tdump’s performance to date naive and myopic. There is no one else who could have done as much as fast, let alone at all. Trump is a deal maker who has a set of balls and so cannot be bullied but does have e perish e and instincts for what he can do. Nothing is perfect but Trump is the perfect man for the times. He is a fighter. But he’s not stupid or unrealistic.
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  • Posted by ewv 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There have been a lot of problems with the viros using government to control private property in the panhandle.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Jackson County is a county located in the U.S. state of Florida.25 miles north of Panama City. As of the 2010 census, the population was 49,746. Its county seat is Marianna. Lots of woods and lakes. I spotted a very rare black panther there. It is nothing like the peninsula.
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  • Posted by ewv 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Trump is the last gasp of an anti-intellectual pragmatist against the intellectual establishment. If the fundamental ideas of that establishment are not challenged and changed there will be no political overthrow of statism.

    Trump has his own statist and collectivist premises, but not as consistently as the progressive left; he is more like the "liberals" of the 1960s, though less intellectual. They, like the progressives of today, also sought and seek to "serve the people" -- the question is how and for what, by what standards.

    Trump is living proof of why being "anti" is not enough. His collectivist-statist premises can be expected to lead to more damage despite whatever else good he does in superficially holding back some of the worst of the recent decline under Obama and Congress.

    He has already reneged on his campaign promises to reverse the Obama National Monument decrees hurting people in rural areas, has significantly and deliberately raised taxes on many individuals with his "tax cuts", has failed to repeal Obamacare as he openly supports more government spending and intervention in medical care, and is threatening spending increases on "infrastructure" as a euphemism for massive government spending and intervention in the economy in general on top of the exploding spending and borrowing.

    He has no understanding of American political individualism. His "populist" emotional ideas are so quirky and unpredictable that nothing he does would be surprising. What little he has done to oppose the far left in the courts and a small part of the regulations will not last and will more quickly come to a halt if he can't control his loutish big mouth and the Democrats take over Congress.

    He is not Hillary, but whatever he does that happens to slow the statism is nothing but buying time against an inevitably more statist and collectivist future if the trend is not reversed by rejection of the collectivist premises that have been spreading across the country.
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  • Posted by ewv 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not zero, but watch out for some states with low or zero income tax that have high property taxes to "compensate". It sounds like you want a place with less emphasis on public schools, with relatively lower property taxes. Some towns host country-club like quasi-private schools funded by property taxes as public schools. People move there for the schools at someone else's expense then move on; those who stay without using the schools are shafted.

    As for estate taxes you have to leave it to someone (hopefully not the state). A nonprofit (like ARI) you want to support could avoid the loss to those taxes.

    Let us know what you find.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Trump is our last best chance to kick over the tables of the Establishment of both sides who have their special interests they serve. Trump seeks to serve American citizens, by all indications at this point. I remain hopeful I will not see any change to that, as I believe no other person alive has what it takes to return the balance of power to citizens from the clutches of government. Being “anti” is plenty if it’s anti the right things.
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