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Time and a Half

Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 5 months ago to Economics
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In days of yore I was in the retail business.I still have many friends and aquaintences in retail. One of the happy things about the Christmas season was that instead of hiring additional workers for the longer hours that I must have stayed open in order to be competative, I extended the hours of my current help, paying them time and a half for working over the 40 hour week. Now, keep in mind that it would have been considerably cheaper for me to hire additional part-time help. Keep in mind that the additional moneyearned by my regular help, paid for their Christmas and was looked forward by them in order to purchase many things without the need to finance them that they have been waiting all year to get. But there has been a radical change in the outlook of employees since I was in business. According to my friends still laboring in the management side of retailing, the help would rather stick to their regular hours than put in the extra work in order to get the extra pay. What? If I proposed this when I was in business the help would likely have gone on strike. I inquired do yo still pay them more for the extra hours? Yes, they sure do. then what is the problem. It turns out that there simply is bot enough payment to entice them to work the extra hours. This, to me explains everything one needs to know about the current labor situation in America. I think that every worker in every industry except in the USA welecomes the opportunity to make the extra money during the holidays.Thi really saddens me.


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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think the reason price inflation hasnt kept up with the money printing machine of our government is that most companies in the USA are either automating and eliminating USA workers, or buying from china and essentially reselling it.

    Check out www.alibaba.com and you will get a flavor of the stuff thts being made in china that is showing up here (quietly).
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I like the good food and the good people. The waitress is just a person who butts in and wants to be tipped. Give me a robot that will listen to what I want, and then quietly deliver. If they can make a car that drives itself, they surely can make a robot wait staff machine
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  • Posted by 7 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What about Lay - Away? Where you put a deposit on an item(s) and the seller holds it aside and you have so many days to pay it off.?It was quite popular, once upon a time.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Just came across the statistic that the average American family owes $33,000 in credit card debt.Can you believe it?
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  • Posted by 7 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Whoa. That is really sad. I am of the generation where the only mention of China was in the context of carry out food.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's that crazy Irishman, Dobrien.I might have sent him a phrase or two and he is now become a Jewish adept. Actually he's a brilliant guy. Be on your most accurate when dealing with him.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are still a few that are good at it and make the experience enjoyable.
    Dinning out, at least for me, includes that person to person engagement...good food, good people and a great waitress...spells a great time.
    An experience I rarely have time for these days.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The state of wait staff and order takers is terrible though. Hard to imagine the robot being worse
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If the order taking robots in fast food garbage shops are as smart as the automated call takers on the phones then we are in deep dodo.

    Not sure that I want to be serviced by a robot at my seat in a sitdown restaurant though...It's way too impersonal and takes away from the whole dinning experience, I think.

    PS...don't want to be driven places by one either!
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I've never understood the phrase "the exception proves the rule." All an exception proves is that the "rule" does not hold in all cases; it says nothing about the validity of the rule itself. Is capitalism the exception that proves the rule that socialism is the better system?
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes we would work well together as long as you didn't mind me "picking your brain" for knowledge. Mayn alt madrekh.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We used to employee JUAN. Among other things he drilled holes for the mounting of the LEDS we use. Now we built in house a robot we call ROBOJUAN, and no longer employee JUAN. Its more accurate, faster, and cheaper doing a very monotonous task.

    Bring on the robots in fast food order taking and even the preparation of it. I cant wait. Replace wait staff in sit down restaurants to take and deliver orders. No tipping required !!!! Yeah. I love the self checkouts at the food markets,

    As the robots get smarter with more and more sensors and microcomputers, people had better use their brains more to compete, or be left behind.

    If we didnt have robots today, we would not enjoy the standard of living we currently do.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 5 months ago
    The time and a half draw dates from the pre-credit card era. Back when all purchases were in cash, having extra money was more important than it is today, even if it meant less time for rest and family activities. Now that people can pay with money they don't yet have, it's harder to entice them to sacrifice their personal time over the holidays
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your bus would benefit from robotics...would it not?

    When I was young and working assembly and packing jobs...I would always challenge myself to beating the machine...I did, on every job, even still, It was boring.
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  • Posted by $ gharkness 7 years, 5 months ago
    Was this before - or after - the wide availability of credit cards in the US?

    Back in the day (oh gawd I sound old) there were basically NO SALES in January and February of each year in most stores. Why? Because everyone had spent every penny they had on Christmas.

    Now you can hardly tell the difference between December and February, because if you don't have the money to pay for it now.....just charge it!

    The lack of an actual CASH constraint on families these days is (at least part of) why they'd rather be out partying. Don't have the money? No biggie. Don't work harder or longer....just charge it.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I make LED lighting for off road vehicles, and economies in production are critical to success today. Its hard given all the employee regulations and high cost of american labor. We buy nearly 80% of our subassemblies from china now in order to stay in business. About the last thing I would want now is american production workers (unfortunately).
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I discovered, much to my dismay after getting a Bachelors degree in bus admin and economics that the only well paying jobs were with ins co's and government...neither appealed to me so I used my knowledge to develop efficient practices within the printing field. (economies of movements within the production process)...having the right tools and supplies close by at the right time. The entire Printing process was not set up with a "Production line" concept. I also developed methods that insured 99%+ accuracy during the process also.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 5 months ago
    I think that workers today feel that the amount of money they are paid is a pittance compared with their expenses. I cant really argue with them. Inflation has resulted in the dollar being worth a LOT LESS than it was in the past. Just look at the prices of things that are made here in the USA (not gotten from cheap labor in china). A suburban SUV goes for over $70,000 now.
    If someone is making $10 an hour, working OT gets them an additional $5 of which they get to keep maybe $3. That $3 might get you a value meal at burger king if you are lucky. There probably isnt anything at Costco that the $3 would buy. So, why work?
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  • Posted by scojohnson 7 years, 5 months ago
    I wouldn't immediately dog them out, most retail workers are younger in the career, and being younger often have young kids - in most cities in America, daycare is a real problem and the cost of a few extra hours of it beyond the contract can be much, much higher than the time & a half pay.

    No idea of the specific cases, but I would speculate that is a common problem.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have started, and sold several in my life: A small recording studio in Boston at age 25, then a small chain of stereo and auto stereo installation stores when 35 and in 09 started a handyman bus. to get by while looking for a reg. gig, when I did, kept that going plus an abandon home salvage job...working all three until it just didn't pay anymore.
    Now I write and work the job I have during the same hours but the biggest job I have is maintaining the large home I built and keeping my wife's diabetes [1] under control.

    Hopefully in the near future I can go on the road, promoting my next book and awaken the masses. I'd also would like to start a indoor food growing business that might sustain a few, at least, during what is sure to be a difficult Grand Solar Minimum.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are lots of jobs over 6 figures. They are just IN government now, and perhaps some in silicon valley.
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