Everyone Owes Us
It appears to me, that at one time or another, every advanced nation on earth borrowed from us (USA) at one time or another. Let us take, for example some statistics that I came across while reading about World War 2 recovery act, the lend-lease program, which, by the way has never been paid back: The following to (Guess who?) Russia, alone: For four years we were allies against a common enemy and as a result we shipped 100 million tons of woolen and cotton goods, plus fifteen million pairs of leather boots, four million rubber tires, two thousand railroad locomotives, eleven thousand freight cars, fifteen thousand airplanes, seven thousand tanks, all free. Remember, we have never been at war with Russia even when it was the Soviet Union. There was some humor in all this, when Russia requested condoms, all 18 inches long, America sent over several thousand marked "medium." Trump is right when he asks for others to pay their fair share. We are not only the most generous, but the most taken advantage of. nation in history.
My contemporary source (now deceased) validated Stinnett's evidence to me. The Admiral has a vested interest in supporting the state. He quotes other officers who have/had the same vested interest. This was a scandal of the period. Then, as now, the administration was careful to write its own history to protect the guilty. I can't prove it to you if you choose to believe the sanitized version of history provided by FDR's fanboys.
I prefer the refutation by Admiral Young in-
http://www.artbarninc.org/REY/Stinnet...
Young says that Stinnett gives copious references but when read they demolish the case for prior knowledge and conspiracy.
There is also-
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pearl_H...
Easy to read but not well referenced.
An assertion that-
" . .incredibly clever and competent conspiratorial leadership would sacrifice a large portion of the Pacific Ocean fleet, at enormous military and economic cost, in order to begin a naval war with an already-aggressive Pacific power. "
Now, I was wrong in an assumption about the removal of the three carriers-
I now know that then carriers were given much less importance than
battleships.
That view reversed after Pearl Harbor. (Of course)
So if they had knowledge of an attack, top command would then have moved the battleships rather than the carriers.
Therefore, the advance knowledge case makes no sense.
Or greater good goes against everything I believe USA should be about. Roosevelt basically was saying I am more important than anyone else's life.
If the value and protection of the individual and equal creation was our governments purpose
The sky wouldn't even be the limit.
I still think the rumors that he knew are are just made up.
Anyway, a little off topic- games played for pleasure are ok.
A game of tennis or golf or so on can be played without an intention to win. But to enter a war without intention to win is asking for defeat.
so when I read your statement ' .. in it to win it'
I thought- Yes!. Why then and not now?
This happened, but when?
If they left as a response to a perceived attack, they would have been placed in
(or repositioned to) positions to intercept the attack.
In that case the attack would have succeeded, or failed, or been withdrawn.
Now if the attack plan was known, the presence of the attack fleet could have been verified.
The attack being successful or not or halted, the head-in-the-sand isolationism would still
have been squelched. This was Roosevelt's objective.
On top of that, there is no reliable evidence of "intercepted communications ..".
My analysis that what happened is consistent with no plans of an attack being known,
and inconsistent with what would have happened if attack plans were known.
Churchill's "agenda" was the survival of England against the Nazis, trying to get us into the war to help.
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