Real life conversion reveals...2"...laughing

Yes, I did forget the original division of Poland between Germany and Russia. The second part was listed in detail.

So you would excuse Stalin for an agenda that resulted in the deaths of tens of millions of people - many of them his own citizens - but criticize Churchill? I'd say you have your priorities skewed.

Between WW I and WW II, there were largely two countries which determined the fate of Europe: France and Great Britain. Russia was too busy exterminating its own people to pay attention until Finland and then it sided with the Germans. France built the Maginot Line thinking that static defenses would protect it even while Austria, Poland, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia fell to the Fascists, then they found that when Holland and Belgium fell so too did their left flank. Great Britain and France engaged in appeasement year after year and even after Central and Eastern Europe were conquered by Hitler's Germany. It was only after France was invaded and capitulated and England threatened with invasion that new leadership (Churchill) came to power and by that time it was all England could to do simply survive the Blitz.

As to your claims about FDR, while I'm no fan of the man, that's a pretty tall accusation and I would call for some significant research to support your statements.

Of course the Russians acted out of survival. So did every other country in Europe (with the exception of Germany.)
Until FDR orchestrated and allowed the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, America was doing the same thing.
I have no sympathy for Stalin's actions, but Churchill had his own agenda.

While I agreed completely with your comment, I was nevertheless surprised when I clicked on the at the "definition" that appeared when I clicked on the word "Liberalism" [See below] !

Unfortunately, "liberalism" and "liberal no longer communicate the semantic intent of the writer, since these words have been misappropriated and their meaning usurped: nowadays the word "liberal" no longer means the same as "classical liberal" and similar words are more often understood to refer to various shades of statist kleptocracy (e.g. socialism, progressivism, fascism, Democratic Republics, power to the people, etc.) -- rather than conveying their original meaning (i.e. individual liberty, and its various shades such as libertarianism, objectivism, etc.)

That is one reason why people Dean Russell and John Hospers suggested using a new word, such as "libertarian", to describe what was once intended by the word "liberal". [See http://www.libertarian.li/liberty/ref... or https://www.meetup.com/it-IT/rlc-83/m... ].

Here is a definition that popped up:
1. The quality of being liberal.
2. Any political movement founded on the autonomy and personal freedom of the individual, progress and reform, and government by law with the consent of the governed.
3. An economic theory in favour of laissez faire and the free market.
Definitions by Grammarly

And here is another from Wikipedia:
Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality and international cooperation.

Russia looked out for THEIR own best interest, just as we should have been and should currently be doing. Russia started WWII working with Germany and ended against them ONLY because Germany attacked Russia.
We America NEED to look out for ourselves and to Hell with any who do not support our agenda. The Liberal Left has a Globalist agenda that is counter to this thinking. Sadly the Republicans are only moderately Left of center on the political spectrum, when they should be moderately Right. To make matters worse they consistently compromise on everything. Now I understand that politics is all about compromise but (and I am quoting someone here but cannot remember who) if you want to kill me I can not compromise with you and let you just kill me a little bit.

I appreciate that countries need to pay us back...boy do they need to pay...but let me point out that 80% of all German soldiers killed in WW2 were killed by Russians. Now to be fair...the frigging Russians invaded Poland as allies of the Germans in 1939. They are as culpable for starting the war as the Germans...also, It really wasn't our war, the only reason we fought the Germans was because Hitler was stupid enough to declare war on us after Dec 7 and we knew that if he controlled Europe.....we would eventually be next.

Anyhow.....the only people that ever seem to have appreciated the help of the USA are the Koreans. Everyone else seems prone to bite our hand.

You forgot Poland. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact initiated the division of Poland. And even when the Red Army was pushing back on the Wehrmacht, they paused before going through Warsaw in order to allow the SS to go on an extermination campaign in Warsaw.

I prefer not to plug any dyke's holes.

The early hubris of Soviet Union penile propaganda was 18 meters long.

I would strongly suggest you read the history of WW II as penned by Winston Churchill. The Russians were not to be celebrated:

Russia conspired WITH Germany to take over Finland.

Russia conspired WITH Germany as the Nazis annexed Austria and Czechoslovakia and Bulgaria.

Russia ignored the pleas and warnings of Churchill while Great Britain was under siege during the Battle of Britain.

Russia refused to come to the aid of the United States in combating Japan, yet insisted on being present at the signing of the surrender.

Russia actively aided in the establishment of communism in post-war Yugoslavia which led to countless atrocities in the decades afterward.

When Russian troops were within two days of liberating Warsaw, Polish patriots rebelled against their Nazi occupiers in pitched battles throughout the capital. Instead of rushing to aid the Polish, Staling actually ordered the advance to stop while the Nazis butchered and starved over 1/2 the population of the capital. When the resistance leaders gave themselves up on condition that the Nazis allow food to the rest of the population, they were never seen again. And instead of allowing open and free elections as requested by Great Britain and the US, they installed a puppet government in Warsaw.

Russia actively tried to install a communist government in Greece. Only British intervention stopped them.

Russia stole millions in pricely art and artwork that they have never given back.

During the Bolshevik Revolution (led by Stalin), communists executed an estimated 20 million of their own people.

Russia never paid a penny to Britain for the aid they were receiving even at great loss - and from their own war material stores - from Great Britain.

And Stalin was the most ungrateful whiner during the entire war - as documented by his entitled attitude in communications between the Big Three.

Sorry, but you'll not get one ounce of pity for the Russians during WW II. They could have put tremendous pressure on Hitler and stopped him before he ever got started. Instead, they were complicit. It was only when the tide of war nearly broke them that they finally sided with the Allies, but it wasn't because of shared goals - it was out of survival.

Nicely put.

Hell, even their sausages aren't 18" long.

Or not. Even Trump is going to have a hard time plugging the holes in the dyke.

I'd have to agree with that.

You are correct, of course.
One Nation seems to be appreciative though or at least most of it's conscious people. Australia...many Australians have championed or have come here to help us recover the America we know and love because they realize that the world would be a very different place without us.

They do this in repayment for our saving their butts in WW2.

Now that's sad...I feel bad for all those Russian men.

Maybe those condoms were going to be used to make sausage!...to be re-sold to US!!!

Not to mention all the American lives lost in foreign wars. The world will find it hard to live without the generosity of the American people. But the way we are being crushed by Liberalism, it is about to find out.,

Your statistics were the very justification for Lend-Lease which was more Give and Forget. In any case, without the Marshall Plan Europe's recovery would likely have taken 10 years longer, not to mention far more hardship and stress. It was , in the long run, to our advantage creating new viable markets and trading partners. Not to mention the Japanese miracle of recovery. I was a first hand witness to that since I was a participant in the camera biz. trade shows and trade organizations as a board member and officer.First the light industries, then (cameras and electronics) then the heavy industries (cars, etc.) The point is no one could accuse the USA of being anything but generous and helpful in putting the war behind us, especially since by any reckoning we were the aggrieved party.

Years ago I came to the conclusion that the tax-paying American middle-class was the revenue engine for the world. So far, I'm sticking to that...

Well Russia did lose 10 million troops killed and 15 million wounded on the eastern front to distract the Nazis while the US built up forces to land in France. Not to mention all the Russian losses of equipment and military and civilian property as a result. US bases losses were primarily in Pearl Harbor and a few relatively minor outposts.
US lost about 400 thousand killed and 600 thousand wounded in the entire war against the Axis both Europe and Pacific theatres.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_W...

It could be argued that Russia saved Europe from the Nazis although US support certainly helped them do it. That's what allies do. If the scum in Washington got out of the way, an alliance between Americans and Russians would result in substantial colonies in space in a few decades.