The reason I thought the original story was fishy was because it was totally contrary to the manner in which these sorts of incidents typically go down. I have never once heard of a real case in which the transgender individual was genuinely the perpetrator; they're always the victims (and believe me, I pay a lot of attention to these sorts of stories).
And you went way beyond merely questioning the story. You claimed that the entire thing, from the beginning, was a ruse set up by the political left in order to attack the political right -- that whole thing was an elaborate, preconceived plot. That makes you a conspiracy theorist.
And we know the moms were transphobic because we have the letter they wrote to try and justify their position. You can read their statements here: http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/10/17...
And special treatment? You mean like being allowed to use the same restrooms as everyone else? How does that qualify as special treatment? That's not special treatment -- it's equal treatment.
Posted by $Mimi 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
The definition sprang from the internet in conversations going on in the LGBT community, right?. Perhaps when the DSM gets around to evaluating the appropriateness of listing trans-sex as a disorder then perhaps through the psychiatric field the terms will become mainstream. Although, when evaluating homosexuality the psychiatric community didn’t stop with removing being gay from the list of mental disorders: they added homophobia, which I think created an even bigger problem. Biological urges are strong. It’s normal to feel icky when approached sexually by the wrong sex. Although, gay men don’t go around bashing women’s heads in, so obviously we need to bring some civility to the situation. But I still think the ‘ick’ factor is a normal reaction and homophobia is more of a cultural restraint rather than a real disorder. If people aren’t free to say that certain attention makes them uncomfortable, then you have to deal with the suppression of what are otherwise normal biological responses.
Yes, it's essentially the same thing, but I prefer to use "cisgender" anyway because it's the term most predominantly used by the LGBT community, queer theorists, and medical professionals who specialize in dealing with transgender patients, and I would like to see it catch on with the general public as well. I understand that it's usage is not yet common enough for the average person to know what it means, but I don't mind explaining the definition if doing so helps expand the word's usage. ;)
"I'm thinkin' it's a lot more likely you'll get a look at women's naughty bits, or have your mutilated naughty bits revealed in a bathroom than in a bar."
Once upon a time, when I was in my mid 20s or so, I was in a bar with my mid-30 year old (married) brother and a couple of women we had met at a motel, one in her 50s or 60s, one in her 20s. The younger one had an eye for my brother, and I had an eye for her.
In the bar I was sitting across from her. She was flirting with my brother who was pretty much ignoring her (his wife was due to deliver his 3rd kid any day).
I had finally given up getting her attention, and was just sitting there sucking on my beer, when she stood up, unzipped her fly and tucked her shirt in, then rezipped. She wasn't wearing any panties.
I said, "Thanks!" rather thickly, and as she sat back down she looked at the older gal in confusion. The other gal explained, "You just flashed him your beaver". She just shrugged her shoulders, and I went back to the pool at the motel.
I'm thinkin' it's a lot more likely you'll get a look at women's naughty bits, or have your mutilated naughty bits revealed in a bathroom than in a bar.
When referring to people who are in the process of having themselves mutilated, you should always refer to them by their real sex, rather than by the sex they are attempting to simulate.
Why is it when you thought the original story was "fishy" you were being skeptical. I question this story and I am a conspiracy theorist. How do we know for sure these two moms were transphobic? Why are you so willing to believe every word of this story? One of the things that seems to be lacking in your comments is the fact that pre teen and teen years are confusing and difficult for everyone. You seem to want to single out some for special treatment at the expense of others. I don't have all the answers Map but if we single out transgender students and give them special treatment this may be just as harmful. They may begin to feel they deserve special treatment.
Don't mean anything by it, just asking a question. Could 'cisgender' be the equivalent of 'born gender'? If so, why not say that? Might help clear some of the confusion.
Cisgender is the opposite of transgender in the same way that heterosexual is the opposite of homosexual.
Okay, it's slightly more complicated than that, but I find that that's typically the easiest definition for people who are new to the subject material to wrap their head around. ;)
Posted by $Mimi 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
Did you answer the question in the other thread about what is a cigender was? I assume it means I’m born with one part I can identify with? Soooo confusing. But seriously, when you are a young idealistic female, (haven’t been one of those in years.) the only weenie you want to see is the one you have been fantasizing about secretly. A guilty pleasure. Seeing one just because you happen to run into some chick in the locker room that has one, just blows the whole fantasy out of the water. It is a bit violating. You just don’t see them everyday. The proper way to see one is in the dark with your boyfriend, I think. Oh, I can’t believe just wrote that. Past my bedtime. Laters ~
She's an MTF transsexual, meaning she was born male but identifies and presents as female, so yes. However, the story doesn't say whether she's post-op or pre-op, so it's difficult to say for sure what she has between her legs. However, given her age, my guess is that's she's probably pre-op, since most transgender individuals don't get the actual surgery until age 18, even if they start living full time as their target gender much earlier than that.
Also, keep in mind here that this particular case involved the use of restrooms, not locker rooms, so there would have been no possibility of cisgender girls seeing the transgender girl's genitals unless they peeked into the stalls.
Posted by $Mimi 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
Look, the original story was published in the Daily Mail online. That news outlet is no better then the National Enquirer. Is it owned by Koch? I think so, not sure. So what! Look how much yardage the stupid story got. It’s yellow journalism. I think you want to affect change. Then get positive! I just took a look around on the FOX website and couldn’t find that story. Most of the stories about gender have the comment section closed. Could their comment section have been closed because of a few ugly comments? Possibly. This is the internet. There’s loons everywhere. Here, I thought this was an informative video about gender hosted by FOX. http://video.foxnews.com/v/2513620862001... I sent money last year to a gay Republican group based here in Maryland, so stop buying the BS that the right-wing are all a bunch of anti-LGBT hate mongers. It’s a big tent and a Grand Ole Party.
The article didn't seem to me like it was being unkind to conservatives. It just pointed out the fact that the original fake story was largely propagated by right-wing news outlets. That's a statement of fact, not a judgement.
I've never seen the political left engage in such tactics. And trying to make connections where none exist is one of the primary characteristics of a conspiracy theorist. Also, the point here is that the original story wasn't true -- it was a lie concocted by anti-LGBT hate mongers.
Posted by $Mimi 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
Yeah, Map, I have to agree with this. We are listening. We were having a constructive conversation with you about this topic then you smack us with this article that isn’t very kind to conservatives. Paints all of us as violent and whats the word? Transphobic?
it is a tactic the left uses all the time. conspiracy theorist not needed-just a dot connector. We addressed the real issue on the other post. we had some who had strong feelings about transgenders, but most got to the heart of the thing, had it been true. If you keep dinging, the conversation may dry up and I think you want this conversation.
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And you went way beyond merely questioning the story. You claimed that the entire thing, from the beginning, was a ruse set up by the political left in order to attack the political right -- that whole thing was an elaborate, preconceived plot. That makes you a conspiracy theorist.
And we know the moms were transphobic because we have the letter they wrote to try and justify their position. You can read their statements here:
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/10/17...
And special treatment? You mean like being allowed to use the same restrooms as everyone else? How does that qualify as special treatment? That's not special treatment -- it's equal treatment.
http://gender.wikia.com/wiki/Cisgender
Only if you're peeking into the stalls. :P
The younger one had an eye for my brother, and I had an eye for her.
In the bar I was sitting across from her. She was flirting with my brother who was pretty much ignoring her (his wife was due to deliver his 3rd kid any day).
I had finally given up getting her attention, and was just sitting there sucking on my beer, when she stood up, unzipped her fly and tucked her shirt in, then rezipped. She wasn't wearing any panties.
I said, "Thanks!" rather thickly, and as she sat back down she looked at the older gal in confusion. The other gal explained, "You just flashed him your beaver". She just shrugged her shoulders, and I went back to the pool at the motel.
I'm thinkin' it's a lot more likely you'll get a look at women's naughty bits, or have your mutilated naughty bits revealed in a bathroom than in a bar.
When referring to people who are in the process of having themselves mutilated, you should always refer to them by their real sex, rather than by the sex they are attempting to simulate.
Unfortunately, all these terms are wrong.
"Transgender" would refer to being between two forms of language.
Language has gender; people have sex.
Okay, it's slightly more complicated than that, but I find that that's typically the easiest definition for people who are new to the subject material to wrap their head around. ;)
Also, keep in mind here that this particular case involved the use of restrooms, not locker rooms, so there would have been no possibility of cisgender girls seeing the transgender girl's genitals unless they peeked into the stalls.
And it's possible that Fox News may have deleted the story like all the other news outlets did, but were just a bit slower at doing so.
EDIT: Nope, Fox hasn't removed the story after all. It's right here:
http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/10/14/gir...
I sent money last year to a gay Republican group based here in Maryland, so stop buying the BS that the right-wing are all a bunch of anti-LGBT hate mongers. It’s a big tent and a Grand Ole Party.
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