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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, what's dangerous is always thinking in terms of black and white, as doing so almost always creates an overly simplistic and impractical view of the world, leaving one incapable of dealing with complex, multifaceted issues.
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    " A wife killing a husband is the same as a mother killing her newborn."

    Perhaps under the strict definition of law, but there are always cases of an elderly spouse ending the suffering of their mate. Many times they are fulfilling a request....
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Who was talking about laws? I was talking about the natural right to defend your life. Black is black and white is white... call it simplistic if you want to. (Overly complicated and illogical approaches are dangerous.)
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's a rather over simplistic view of the issue. In reality, the laws surrounding murder are deeply multifaceted and complex, and have several caveats and stipulations to deal with different circumstances and situations.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder

    Taking an overly simplistic view of any issue can be dangerous.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Outside of defending your life (or the life of another who is in imminent danger of being murdered)... murder is murder is murder.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    but the remedy should still be the same. It makes no difference if I kill you because you are gay or a woman. A black man killing a white man is the same as a black man killing a black man. A wife killing a husband is the same as a mother killing her newborn. We all identify to a some group(s)-ultimately anyone murdered unless in self-defense-falls into the group weaker, unlucky, prey, etc.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree that murder is heinous, but I don't agree that all motivations are equal. Some motivations are more deplorable than others.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 8 months ago
    I don't know all the details. I have strong feelings about hate crime. I feel murder is murder. each murder is heinous-all reasons are the same.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yeah, it was never there in the first place. There were some people who wanted it to be added, but their attempts to do so were unsuccessful.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We are arguing the same thing. By suggesting we need civility, I was suggesting we need more awareness and consideration to what gays are experiencing. I prefer to go to the source. It's has been a few years but I could have sworn the DSM lV did list homophobia. Good. If it has been changed again, or I mistaken and it was never in there in the first place..
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    trolls. arguments based on ad hominem, discredit, name-calling, I hesitate at non-logical because sometimes the discussion will change that kind of thinking...the point is-you're in here and want to have discussions with this group of individuals. I'm in here. I want to have discussions with these individuals. I am not in here to "hit and run." You are not the only one to use down vote for points you disagree with. and you are free to use the point system however. generally, the comments with the most votes rise to the top of the thread. I will often vote for comments I completely disagree with-because my reply to that comment also rises in the thread. As long as we are civil let's have the discussion!
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well what's the down vote button there for if we're not supposed to use it?
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    maph,
    the discussion is good. Let's have them! clearly the discussion is a personal one for you. Persuade away- downvotes are not persuasive.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    maph, someone has just written a book that debunks the Shepard killing motive. It suggests that at least one of the killers was also gay and that the motivation was drug money and that both killers were high at the time they killed him.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oc...
    this is a recent story, but I read about the book some weeks ago.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well technically, the newest version of the DSM already does away with listing transsexualism as a disorder. Now it's just called "Gender Dysphoria" instead:
    http://www.advocate.com/politics/transge...

    And homophobia is not and has never been listed in the DSM, and I don't know why you would think it was. In the future you ought to double check your sources on that kind of thing.

    By the way, there's a documentary called "The Laramie Project" which talks about the murder of Matthew Shepard, a young 21 year-old gay man who was killed simply because a couple of guys thought he was hitting on them (though there's no evidence to prove he actually was). If you want a deeper perspective into the issue, then I'd highly recommend watching it. You can do so here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1qiTmF0p...

    Being uncomfortable with people of your same sex hitting on you is understandable, but at the same time you have understand the other side of the issue, which is that gay people often live in constant fear that they'll be beaten or murdered if they make even the tiniest romantic advances towards anyone they find attractive. How would you feel if you had to live with that sort of constant threat hanging over your head your all the time?
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