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  • Posted by  $  ObjectiveAnalyst 6 years, 1 month ago
    You can't argue with success... Well at least that is the way it used to be... the detractors have evaporated... Can you imagine the hubbub if it were still struggling to reach its initial goal?
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      Posted by EconomicFreedom 6 years, 1 month ago
      [ObjectiveAnalyst wrote:
      "Can you imagine the hubbub if it were still struggling to reach its initial goal?"]

      You're misinformed. Reaching the goal was never what the hubbub was about. The hubbub had to do with whether the producers had legitimate funding needs for their movie, or whether they were looking for a way to make extra cash for themselves despite the movie already being fully funded.

      It turns out, there might be a different reason for the Kickstarter campaign. It seems Aglialoro and Kaslow are being sued by the original director chosen for Part I, Stephen Polk, for $6.5 million. Polk was fired 2 weeks before shooting began, and claims the producers used many of his pre-production ideas without ever compensating him. It's an old story in Hollywood.

      Many are wondering if some of the financing collected via Kickstarter might have to do with current or expected legal fees regarding this litigation.

      See:

      http://www.entlawdigest.com/2011/04/18/P...

      Producer Demands $6.5 Million Over "Atlas Shrugged" Movie
      By GLYNIS FARRELL

      (CN) - Filmmaker Stephen Polk says the creators of the movie adaption of the Ayn Rand novel "Atlas Shrugged" replaced him with another director and then used his ideas without payment or credit.

      Hollywood producers Harmon Kaslow and John Aglialoro, who purchased the 15-year lease on the "Atlas Shrugged" movie rights, the film's distributor, Rocky Mountain Pictures, The Strike Productions and Kaslow Consulting Services duped Polk into providing two months of creative services for free, according to his complaint in Los Angeles Superior Court.

      In 1992, Polk says Aglialoro optioned the 1,100 page novel from the founder of the Ayn Rand Institute and heir to the Rand estate, Leonard Peikoff, who put a strict June 2010 deadline on the agreement.

      In March 2010, Polk says Kaslow teamed up with "Ray" producer Howard Baldwin, who is not a party to the complaint.

      Baldwin and Aglialoro "were looking for a production company which was ready, willing and able to put the project into production on short notice so that the rights would not be lost," the lawsuit states. If the cameras were not rolling by June 11, 2010 the movie rights to "Atlas Shrugged" would be returned to Rand's estate, according to the complaint.

      Polk says he agreed to produce and direct the movie, and to get it started in a hurry.
      Polk says he "established a production schedule, enrolled a production team and continued to work on the budget." He says he "scouted locations, brought in a casting director and a production designer and worked with the writer to revise and rewrite the script."

      In April 2010, Kaslow and Aglialoro launched "The Strike" Productions in order to produce the "Atlas Shrugged" trilogy, and sent Polk an email officially confirming his position as director and producer.

      But in early June Kaslow allegedly booted Polk from the project.

      Polk says Kaslow hired a new director and produced the movie "using all the elements" that he had put together for the project.

      Polk demands $6.5 million for "oppression, fraud and malice" from the defendants' false promises that he would "be compensated and credited as producer."

      Richard M. Rosenthal of Beverly Hills Calif. is representing him.
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      • Posted by sdesapio 6 years, 1 month ago
        Ummm... that suit is ANCIENT and was fully settled years ago.

        RE: "The hubbub had to do with whether the producers had legitimate funding needs for their movie, or whether they were looking for a way to make extra cash for themselves despite the movie already being fully funded."
        Where exactly is all this "hubbub" that you refer to?

        RE: "Many are wondering if some of the financing collected via Kickstarter might have to do with current or expected legal fees regarding this litigation."
        Do tell. Who are these "many" and where are they "wondering?"

        Silly troll.
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          Posted by EconomicFreedom 6 years ago
          [Ummm... that suit is ANCIENT ]

          Ancient? This is 2013 and the suit was brought in 2011. Hardly ancient if you know anything about law suits — especially law suits in the entertainment industry. Apparently you don't know a thing.

          [and was fully settled years ago.]

          Really? How wonderful! I'm so happy! Hey, why don't you post a link or something with evidence proving that it was indeed settled? Odd that there's nothing online about any sort of settlement of a $6.5M lawsuit in Hollywood . . . you know how those Hollywood types just LOVE to gossip!
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      • Posted by khalling 6 years, 1 month ago
        balderdash! the suit may be happening, but many of us sat in on discussions for marketing the final movie. Kickstarter was brought up by fans. Who are you and what is your intent?
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        Posted by EconomicFreedom 6 years ago
        [Polk demands $6.5 million for "oppression, fraud and malice" from the defendants' false promises that he would "be compensated and credited as producer."]

        Note to Stephen Polk:

        Going forward, you have to insist on pay-or-play. The time you wasted on AS-I could have been spent pursuing other profitable filmmaking or acting projects.

        Aglialoro and Kaslow exploited your talents and monetized your contributions to Part I and you, apparently, got nothing for your hard work.

        Rand, Galt, Rearden, and D'Anconia frown.

        Sounds like the old "Hollywood Shuffle": get 'em stoked about working on a cool project; get 'em to contribute their time and energy by rewriting scripts, scouting locations, working on budgets and production schedules . . . then fire 'em and use some or all of their contributions without paying them anything.

        I believe there's a word for that: FRAUD.
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        • Posted by  $  richrobinson 6 years ago
          Polk was removed from the AS team weeks before filming began. Cost over runs and creative differences appear to be the reason. He was replaced by Paul Johansson who had been successful as an actor, won an emmy for a movie he wrote and directed and had appeared in over a dozen films. Had Polk been replaced by a hack your argument would have some relevance. He was replaced by someone who was more capable and has been bitter ever since. I would have been upset too if I had had the chance of working on this project taken away. A lawsuit just sounds like sour grapes.
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            Posted by EconomicFreedom 6 years ago
            [Polk was removed from the AS team weeks before filming began.]

            Thanks for telling us something we already know. That contributed nothing.

            [Cost over runs and creative differences appear to be the reason.]

            "Creative differences"? According to the summary of the suit, Polk claims the producers incorporated his creative ideas — apparently, Aglialoro and Kaslow liked Polk's creative ideas.

            "Cost overruns"? In other words, after doing all this work, Polk wanted compensation. The producers said, "Are you kidding? You're fired!"

            You're ignorant, richrobinson. I've never heard of a "cost overrun" during pre-production — it invariably occurs during the actual filming itself (or after filming, during the editing and post-production phase).

            Nah. It was the old Hollywood Shuffle: The producers made a lot of promises to Polk that they were either unable to keep, or unwilling to keep, and when he Polk complained, they fired him. A phrase like "creative differences" in Hollywood has the same meaning as a phrase like "irreconcilable differences" has in a divorce suit: it means everything and nothing. It purpose is NOT to publicize why things didn't work out.

            [He was replaced by Paul Johansson]

            Thanks for telling us something we all knew.

            [He was replaced by someone who was more capable]

            The way to judge whether or not Johansson was more capable than Polk is to judge whether Johansson's contribution to the final product made it 1) an aesthetically successful movie, and/or 2) a commercially successful movie. It was neither: the movie quickly bombed at the box office AND it garnered bad reviews (by the public who saw the movie and by professional critics).

            [and has been bitter ever since.]

            Nice bit of psychologizing on your part. No actor or director would be bitter over Atlas Shrugged parts 1 & 2 because both of them were failures. You think Polk was crying into his pillow, "I should've been part of those failures!" I don't think so.

            [A lawsuit just sounds like sour grapes.]

            Rand, Galt, Rearden, and D'Anconia frown. It's not "sour grapes" for a person who worked hard on someone else's project to demand that he be compensated for his contributions.

            You call it "sour grapes" because — let's face it — it's embarrassing that the producers (who are supposed to be Objectivists practicing the Virtue of Rational Selfishness) committed fraud.

            That's also why you lie to yourselves, and to others, that the lawsuit is "ancient history" and has been "settled." The suit is a mere 2 years old — still in its infancy, as far as entertainment lawsuits go — and apparently has not yet been settled.

            Of course, if it HAS been settled, you'll kindly post some evidence of that. A settlement would have been announced in the Hollywood Reporter, or Variety, or Reason, or other media outlets. I've found nothing. So why don't you find some evidence and post it!
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            • Posted by  $  richrobinson 6 years ago
              Wow. I gave some background for those who may not have been aware. Polk wanted to sign big name actors and actresses. The word was he considered Angelina Jolie and Charlize Theron for Dagny. They would have cost a lot more than Taylor Schilling. They are both well known left wing activists. Their politics would have been a distraction from the theme of Atlas Shrugged. That would explain the cost over runs and creative differences. I never said the lawsuit was settled. I think it probably has no merit. Little is publicly known so time will tell. Why would his removal bother you so personally?
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                Posted by EconomicFreedom 6 years ago
                [Wow. I gave some background for those who may not have been aware.]

                Wow. I thought you were replying to my post.

                [Polk wanted to sign big name actors and actresses.]

                The producers originally wanted to cast major stars. They're the money people; they determine the casting.

                [The word was he considered Angelina Jolie and Charlize Theron for Dagny. They would have cost a lot more than Taylor Schilling. They are both well known left wing activists.]

                Wow. Left-wingers, eh? I don't know about Theron, but Jolie is a well known conservative and strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment. Somehow, everyone in the world knew that except you.

                [Their politics would have been a distraction from the theme of Atlas Shrugged.]

                Irrelevant since Jolie is a conservative. I understand she's even an admirer of the book. Anyway, politics has zero to do with acting ability and audience draw. I know it's difficult for Objectivists because they're such doctrinaire boobs, but try, try to think in a practical manner.

                [That would explain the cost over runs and creative differences.]

                Wow. You know nothing about movie making. Nothing explains the "cost overruns." The producers say, "Mr. Polk, we don't want Angelina Jolie. We want a minor, unknown television actress named Taylor Schilling. Got that?" and Polk replies, "Got it. Let's get on with production."

                I just love how you invent a little subjective scenario and make yourself believe that that is what actually occurred. LOL! You're a subjectivist.

                [I never said the lawsuit was settled.]

                sdesapio arbitrarily claimed it was settled.

                [I think it probably has no merit.]

                Are you an attorney?

                [Little is publicly known so time will tell.]

                All we know is what was posted in the entertainment litigation site I linked to, as well as an article about the law suit in Reason Magazine.

                [Why would his removal bother you so personally? \]

                Why doesn't fraud committed by Objectivist producers bother you? You accept it very nonchalantly.
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                • Posted by  $  richrobinson 6 years ago
                  Please explain where the fraud took place. It comes down to the contract signed by Mr Polk. If he had a termination clause that required he be paid a certain amount of money if he was fired then he is owed that money. I don't get your point. You say that ASI was a bad movie and a box office bomb. Then you say Stephen Polk wants creative credit for that. Why wouldn't he scream to everyone that would listen that they didn't use any of his ideas and thats why the movie bombed?
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                  • Posted by EconomicFreedom 6 years ago
                    [Please explain where the fraud took place.]

                    According to the article in http://Reason.com and Entertainment Law Digest, Polk was led to believe that he 1) would direct AS-1, and 2) would also receive a "Produced by" credit for his pre-production work comprising script rewrites, budget drafting, and location scouting. I don't know anything about a signed contact: the article in EntLaw claims he received an email from Kaslow and Aglialoro confirming his role as director. A signed contract would be a good thing to have, but entertainment law recognizes verbal agreements as valid and legitimate if you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that certain discussions took place during which certain promises were made. There might be emails, third-party witnesses, faxes, etc.

                    This sort of thing happens a lot in Hollywood, especially with unseasoned players — producers, crew, and talent — who don't have much experience, and who haven't been "burned" yet.

                    You're making the naive assumption that everyone hauled in their attorneys for high-level meetings, and then drafted and signed very explicit contracts, with every possible contingency spelled out in full. That rarely happens at this level because good entertainment attorneys are pricey. At this level, agreements are almost always made on the basis of "good faith", with the attorneys brought in after-the-fact, if and when the "good faith" turns "bad" (which also happens often in Hollywood, and appears to happened in this case).

                    As to why Polk still wants his name attached in a creative capacity to a pair of films that bombed, the reason could be simple ego ("I made many creative suggestions to the producers, but they wound up NOT taking my best ones . . . and look at the result; the movie bombed!") and/or career: even if a movie bombs, it's considered important in some circles to have a producing credit on one's resume.

                    Anyway, why would anyone on this board assert that the suit is "ancient history" and was "settled long ago", when it appears not to be the case?
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                    • Posted by  $  richrobinson 6 years ago
                      Are we talking about the same Stephen Polk? This is a clip of his bio from Imdb.

                      Born in Dayton, Ohio, Stephen was raised in the Midwest, by Sally Boyd Polk, and in New York City, and Wyoming, by a former president/chairman of MGM, Louis F. Polk (Bo).

                      He seems to have worked steadily in the entertainment business starting back in the early nineties. If anyone was in a position to understand how things worked it was Mr. Polk. I found this article to be interesting as well.
                      http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2010/06/...
                      I hope for Mr. Polks sake the lawsuit is settled. The article makes it clear that this is standard practice.
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  • Posted by darren 6 years, 1 month ago
    >>>Why is no one talking about Kickstarter anymore??

    Probably because you shut down any criticism of it.
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