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School shooting. Is it time for armed security on all campuses?

Posted by LetsShrug 12 years, 4 months ago to News
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The school shooting at an elementary school in CT yesterday is particularly unsettling to me, as I work at an elementary school and most of my day is spent in the Kindergarten classrooms working with 5 and 6 years olds. I am not, however, one of those who are saying that something like this happening is "unfathomable". I'm probably viewed as being a little on the paranoid side among my peers because I always jump to the extreme when anything seems a little off kilter.

For example, a few weeks ago I heard office staff talking on the radio that the overhead system (speakers) weren't working for some reason and I immediately grabbed a few extra radios and passed them out to teachers saying, "keep this on your person until the overhead gets fixed", some looked at me perplexed until I explained, "What if somebody's tampered with our speaker system? If something crazy happens we won't be able to communicate...call me nuts I don't care just take a friggin' radio!" I got different reactions from them. Some were surprised with my train of thought and others were appreciative of my preparedness. The speaker system was quickly fixed and all was well.

Maybe I am being extreme, but when I see kids on the playground, or sitting in a classroom, it has crossed my mind that 'if some lunatic wanted to cause chaos here it could be easily done', but let's face it because it's true...as we have just seen, once again. I was at a Christmas dinner last night with my book club friends (almost all teachers) and eventually the school shooting topic did come up, although we had vowed to avoid it for the evening because it is so upsetting. We didn't talk about it for too long, but we quickly came to the conclusion that there is no real way to make a school "totally secure" from an intruder if someone is so inclined to intrude.

Sure, there are certain "security" measures in place, enforcing them is a priority, keeping the kids safe at all times is paramount (even to the extreme of not letting children 'chase' each other on the playground to avoid injuries...and I could write a book about all the bloody noses and head lumps that result from this practically daily because enforcing the "no chasing" rule on a playground with 90 kindergartners is just as difficult as maintaining a "secure school"...you do your best, but if they're inclined to chase, they're going to chase...they're 5 year olds and that's what they want to do).

I've been thinking about school security a lot this morning, watching the news etc. and the topic of having an armed security officer/cop on every campus has been brought up. (Gun control has also been brought up, but being a gun enthusiast and freedom lover and a believer in having a right to defend myself and my family I do not believe that adding more gun laws to the books will do a damned thing to stop lunacy.) So I'm wondering... is it time to privatize schools and add an armed officer to each campus? Or should some charter schools pop up offering this service on campus, giving parents a choice of sending their children to schools where they think their kids will be as safe as possible?

Sure, some parents would opt to not have their kids attend a school where there is a gun present ANY where on campus, even if it's holstered on a hip of a trained law enforcement officer and that's their choice to do so, but is it time to do this? Would public schools ever offer this? (I'm sure the unions would love it as they could collect union dues from an officer too), but it would work against their current gun control agenda so I'm not so sure really.

What say you?


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  • Posted by gblaze47 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You seem to attack anyone who disagrees with your world view, a typical leftist way of thinking.

    I don't see any constructive discussion with someone who's first act is to attack the other person. I suggest you reassess your tact.
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  • Posted by gblaze47 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's bullshit, I proposed a simple solution to a critical problem. I was never against gun's since I own a few. And I'm probably the closest thing to a Objectivist in the country. I resent you lumping me in with the 'socialists' because my idea doesn't match up with what you think!
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  • Posted by flanap 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would argue that Christianity requires more thinking because a change in thinking is required where objectivism simply requires a mature development of the thinking you are born with, which Christianity states is wicked and evil.
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  • Posted by flanap 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Are you referring to emotional guilt or legal guilt...they are different. You can be guilty, legally, under either, of not adhering to the foundational principles underlying both.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't get my brick wall bullet penetration ideas from hollywood movies.... I've shot at plenty of different types of targets, just not bricks. I've made some rocks move around, but rocks and bricks aren't the same thing. I still think it would take more than one shot to get through a block wall. And yes, I would take cover and melt as well. You HAVE done thinking about this...you're wired that way, so you already know what makes sense...that was my point. Most people aren't wired to think this way so it's really hard to get it hammered (ha..hammered) home to them.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm all in favor of guns. And I've said they are important to safety in this post many times. Just because I'm not carrying a gun, does not make me a fool. Not a good idea to bring a gun into a courthouse. You and I may not like that rule, but I know you're not breaking it, unless you're posting this from jail. which brings us back to your point about men getting raped. The answer to Hitler. You would take your gun and stop the whole 3rd Reich?? I might clap at your sacrifice in a movie, but sometimes guns are the answer and sometimes they're the second or third answer-even if we're talking about killers. Environmentalists are killing people daily, but your gun isn't stopping that. How many people have been exposed to the Gulch? By gunpoint to persuade?
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hmmm...in the perfect world maybe guns wouldn't make it a better place, but in THIS world...I think it does. (Not when they get into the hands of evil doers, but the fact that I have a viable way to defend myself against evil makes it a better place.) If a crazy shooter is heading towards me my THINKING will be what makes my life better, because I will THINK to pull my trigger and stop him. Guns aren't the solution to EVERYthing, but to this topic I'm thinking they most likely are as so far I have yet to hear any other options that even come close. Asylums would help perhaps, but that's another sticky wicket.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    you get a point for the roto- rooter remark, because sometimes the best attacks are intellectual, not physical
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    bring back asylums, by all means. But I want to make a point here. we agree that guns don't kill people, but guns don't make people rational either. "Reason stops at the point of a gun." Guns protect but they are not the solution to everything and they don't make the world a better place, in and of themselves. Guns don't produce food, housing, they don't invent, ideas making our lives better, cure cancer, improve communications. They are at best tools, not magical. If we are going to get through this, we need people to THINK, not just have a gun cocked. I'm not seeing that David agrees with this. As Rand said, the bigger deterrent to evil govts, may be to withdraw your mind, your productivity from those who will use it against you.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nope...no penalty cokes in Jinx (Jynx? Not sure how it's spelled). Just the one will do. :) Did I leave a mark? It's only fun if ya leave a mark.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think my answer to every question (although I only remember one question) is the gun as well. Besides the obvious lock down, stay vigilant, always be able to communicate etc. There is no real way to stop these things from happening if someone is hell bent on making it happen so the only reasonable way to combat it is to do just that...combat it, forcefully.
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