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School shooting. Is it time for armed security on all campuses?

Posted by LetsShrug 12 years, 4 months ago to News
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The school shooting at an elementary school in CT yesterday is particularly unsettling to me, as I work at an elementary school and most of my day is spent in the Kindergarten classrooms working with 5 and 6 years olds. I am not, however, one of those who are saying that something like this happening is "unfathomable". I'm probably viewed as being a little on the paranoid side among my peers because I always jump to the extreme when anything seems a little off kilter.

For example, a few weeks ago I heard office staff talking on the radio that the overhead system (speakers) weren't working for some reason and I immediately grabbed a few extra radios and passed them out to teachers saying, "keep this on your person until the overhead gets fixed", some looked at me perplexed until I explained, "What if somebody's tampered with our speaker system? If something crazy happens we won't be able to communicate...call me nuts I don't care just take a friggin' radio!" I got different reactions from them. Some were surprised with my train of thought and others were appreciative of my preparedness. The speaker system was quickly fixed and all was well.

Maybe I am being extreme, but when I see kids on the playground, or sitting in a classroom, it has crossed my mind that 'if some lunatic wanted to cause chaos here it could be easily done', but let's face it because it's true...as we have just seen, once again. I was at a Christmas dinner last night with my book club friends (almost all teachers) and eventually the school shooting topic did come up, although we had vowed to avoid it for the evening because it is so upsetting. We didn't talk about it for too long, but we quickly came to the conclusion that there is no real way to make a school "totally secure" from an intruder if someone is so inclined to intrude.

Sure, there are certain "security" measures in place, enforcing them is a priority, keeping the kids safe at all times is paramount (even to the extreme of not letting children 'chase' each other on the playground to avoid injuries...and I could write a book about all the bloody noses and head lumps that result from this practically daily because enforcing the "no chasing" rule on a playground with 90 kindergartners is just as difficult as maintaining a "secure school"...you do your best, but if they're inclined to chase, they're going to chase...they're 5 year olds and that's what they want to do).

I've been thinking about school security a lot this morning, watching the news etc. and the topic of having an armed security officer/cop on every campus has been brought up. (Gun control has also been brought up, but being a gun enthusiast and freedom lover and a believer in having a right to defend myself and my family I do not believe that adding more gun laws to the books will do a damned thing to stop lunacy.) So I'm wondering... is it time to privatize schools and add an armed officer to each campus? Or should some charter schools pop up offering this service on campus, giving parents a choice of sending their children to schools where they think their kids will be as safe as possible?

Sure, some parents would opt to not have their kids attend a school where there is a gun present ANY where on campus, even if it's holstered on a hip of a trained law enforcement officer and that's their choice to do so, but is it time to do this? Would public schools ever offer this? (I'm sure the unions would love it as they could collect union dues from an officer too), but it would work against their current gun control agenda so I'm not so sure really.

What say you?


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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How many people can fit in this safe room? 600-700?....is traveling them all to this room an efficient idea? I don't see it.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If there was a fire set, or chemicals released holing up inside the building wouldn't be a good idea.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Getting to another room involves having to move people...better to do a lock down in whatever room you're in at the time. (Provided that room isn't the same room as the lunatic of course.)
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  • Posted by gblaze47 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Typical safe rooms are ~5K add another 9K for making it chemical/biological proof. A real risk analysis will be needed to determine the cost versus risk and see if this is 'cheap' or 'expensive'.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    again, at what cost (I mean reasonable, expensive, cheap) and do you see it as more viable than allowing people to be armed?
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  • Posted by gblaze47 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    considering they would not need to be in a safe room for more than an hour (if they are then it would be a reliance on local constables issue) it could be a room in the back of each class that can hold ~30 kids and teacher. For those in portable school rooms those can be made to be stronger with better protection.
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  • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This is an interesting thread. I would think that there would, of necessity, need to be more than one, since logically there would most likely be more than one class, etc. using said room. Capacity, location would be factors as well.
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  • Posted by gblaze47 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No I don't, I'm an Info-sec professional, and work on many disaster recovery programs for major corporations (Coke, Pepsi, IBM, Etc.) Unfortunately I have to plan for the worst. I am confident that a safe room can be made chemical and fireproof. There real worry is making sure the kids and faculty know where to go in a timely manner.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    1. on safe rooms, I'm not sure I agree with "easily shielded against both" operative word easily. this would be a huge financial investment.
    2. Arming several at campuses is a great deterrent. But, if a situation happened, presumably thee many trained and armed teachers etc. would not all be in one place.
    3.do you have a company that constructs safe rooms? :)
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  • Posted by gblaze47 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not sure I understand what does fire or chemicals have to do with safe rooms? They can easily be shielded against both. I agree it is good to have someone trained in using a fire arm, but that person may not be able to respond quickly enough if they are at another part of the school.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The problem with a "safe" room is fire or chemicals. It is infinitely faster for someone trained and armed to remove the threat. Of course there should be procedures to secure people in those situations.
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  • Posted by gblaze47 12 years, 4 months ago
    I'm thinking schools should have 'safe rooms' where they can go and lock themselves in and wait until the police respond.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    From what I understand...It is what the terrorists yell when they're about to die from whatever mission they're on. (google it) :) (Means: God is holy or something like that.)
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    yea, you are on my sticky wicket list. what does "alluhu akbar" mean? it is not on my radar. if there was a bunch of tongue trilling with it, I might have a clue...
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  • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yeah, that's creepy. The elementary school I went to in Arlington, VA was 2 miles maybe from the Pentagon. We were diving under our desks on a weekly basis when the air raid sirens came on. That was I when I was 8-11, so '75-'78. My mom had to sign in and wear a badge then. She would have told someone off if she DIDN'T have to do so.
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  • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Annoyed that they have to sign in!?!?!? I have been doing that for years, and wouldn't have it any other way! They should have such problems. And get the camera/news crews away from the schools. The kids and everyone else doesn't need a lens and microphone shoved in their face, wanting to know how they feel. They feel like shit!!
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  • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Have the days just gone by in a blur of tears, or is it just me? I have had a hard time remembering which day of the week it is. Do you also have kids? I can't remember if I read that or not.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Absolutely" and "alluhu akbar" actually do sound similar. (Do not be fooled!) (I'll be the one over by myself saying, "You want me to do WHAT?? I did NOT sign up for that. If you want that done you'll have to do it yourself, honey.") <-- I think I actually had that conversation with one of my bosses a long long time ago. It landed me on the shit list, needless to say.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    well it looks normal now but 10 minutes ago the fonts and windows for posting looked differently.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I always pick "you" to be on my team because I suck at the vetting of situations. I'd probably recruit 200 terrorists because they answered "absolutely!" to any hard thing I asked someone to do and then they did. it's all about managing blind spots.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    OH dear God...is that how I sound? Actually I'm the last person to call anybody out on not having a badge on...I probably wouldn't even notice, unless you were somebody I had never seen before..and you seemed shifty in some way and even then I wouldn't whip out my radio I'd say, "Hi, can I help you?" Ha...one time I was in the gym with a few other grown ups and some guy came in the side door tossing a bean bag back and forth and I said to them.."who's that?" and somebody said, "I guess he's the P.E. substitute...he has a bean bag." And I said, "Well, hell, as long as he has a bean bag he must not be a terrorist or anything." (They were right and probably thought I was paranoid.) I'm not so much of a "rule follower" either. Things have to make sense to me before I'll go along with it. I'm like the questioning pain in the ass who can't let anything go, "So..why are we doing this.... what's the point of this again? Someone please explain this to me I don't get it." My poor kids lol.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "carrying" like your "touting" we just have to adjust to some changes here in the site. we'll be right as rain in a few
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