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School shooting. Is it time for armed security on all campuses?

Posted by LetsShrug 12 years, 4 months ago to News
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The school shooting at an elementary school in CT yesterday is particularly unsettling to me, as I work at an elementary school and most of my day is spent in the Kindergarten classrooms working with 5 and 6 years olds. I am not, however, one of those who are saying that something like this happening is "unfathomable". I'm probably viewed as being a little on the paranoid side among my peers because I always jump to the extreme when anything seems a little off kilter.

For example, a few weeks ago I heard office staff talking on the radio that the overhead system (speakers) weren't working for some reason and I immediately grabbed a few extra radios and passed them out to teachers saying, "keep this on your person until the overhead gets fixed", some looked at me perplexed until I explained, "What if somebody's tampered with our speaker system? If something crazy happens we won't be able to communicate...call me nuts I don't care just take a friggin' radio!" I got different reactions from them. Some were surprised with my train of thought and others were appreciative of my preparedness. The speaker system was quickly fixed and all was well.

Maybe I am being extreme, but when I see kids on the playground, or sitting in a classroom, it has crossed my mind that 'if some lunatic wanted to cause chaos here it could be easily done', but let's face it because it's true...as we have just seen, once again. I was at a Christmas dinner last night with my book club friends (almost all teachers) and eventually the school shooting topic did come up, although we had vowed to avoid it for the evening because it is so upsetting. We didn't talk about it for too long, but we quickly came to the conclusion that there is no real way to make a school "totally secure" from an intruder if someone is so inclined to intrude.

Sure, there are certain "security" measures in place, enforcing them is a priority, keeping the kids safe at all times is paramount (even to the extreme of not letting children 'chase' each other on the playground to avoid injuries...and I could write a book about all the bloody noses and head lumps that result from this practically daily because enforcing the "no chasing" rule on a playground with 90 kindergartners is just as difficult as maintaining a "secure school"...you do your best, but if they're inclined to chase, they're going to chase...they're 5 year olds and that's what they want to do).

I've been thinking about school security a lot this morning, watching the news etc. and the topic of having an armed security officer/cop on every campus has been brought up. (Gun control has also been brought up, but being a gun enthusiast and freedom lover and a believer in having a right to defend myself and my family I do not believe that adding more gun laws to the books will do a damned thing to stop lunacy.) So I'm wondering... is it time to privatize schools and add an armed officer to each campus? Or should some charter schools pop up offering this service on campus, giving parents a choice of sending their children to schools where they think their kids will be as safe as possible?

Sure, some parents would opt to not have their kids attend a school where there is a gun present ANY where on campus, even if it's holstered on a hip of a trained law enforcement officer and that's their choice to do so, but is it time to do this? Would public schools ever offer this? (I'm sure the unions would love it as they could collect union dues from an officer too), but it would work against their current gun control agenda so I'm not so sure really.

What say you?


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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's ok to rile things up, but I was part of the conversation today and it was good information and thoughts to vett. You are coming off as though your finger is on the trigger as we speak. where is your gun pointed, exactly?
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You make some strong points. However, I do not go around armed and I am not a fool. If you believe that I need to carry a gun becuase of this mass shootings or crime in general, the statistics do not bear you out. I have lived for some decades and there has never been a situation in which I needed a gun. Second, I may not be a good candidate to weild a gun. Other personal defense weapons may make more sense in my case. If you think I should have a gun because of an apocolypic event is likely to occur, such as mass civil disorder, you have a point. But one gun, I am using, is not likely to save me compared to other skill sets, and planning, preparation, GALTING, etc.
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  • Posted by flanap 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh, by the way, I am on my second reading of AS and have read the Fountainhead and seen several biographical documentaries and read some of her philosophical writings. I would say that the only true difference between Ms. Rand and a Christian is that instead of man's reason being the ultimate value, Christianity's ultimate value is becoming more like the person of Christ. They both are very similar.
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  • Posted by flanap 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ok...agreed that I have not succinctly addressed the topic. My answer in direct address is that due to the nature of public schools, it is implied that any public institution established by our government should be protected from those who would seek to prevent the institution from functioning as was decreed. The extent of such protection is up to the government, same as their decision to establish the institution. They will do as they want, regardless of my input. If it were me, I would disband all public schooling and return to what we had before public schooling; therefore, the red tape required to be processed for whatever security each locally established institution for education determined was needed could be figured locally and as needed. Overall, all citizens should be versed in firearms and protecting themselves against those who would harm them and others and I do not think that we should completely farm out security measures to the government. I am sure Ms. Rand would agree the more self-sustaining you are and the less you lean on others for your needs the more "objective" you are and beneficial to society.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    again, it hits a permalink for me. I understand the vast array of technology for identification purposes, I am more worried about stealing unique identifiers. Once a set of biometrics are electronic, they can be stolen. Technology is farther ahead coming up with ways to use biometrics and farther behind in protecting them.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I should hope the guard would know his way around the school blind folded and moving a classroom of students is NOT an immediately completed task, especially when they're scared, they tend to freeze. And we're back to the importance of radio contact. Also, in small schools the location of a shooter would be a quick determination. Larger schools would need more than one guard I think.
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  • Posted by gblaze47 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "the "new" wave of identity theft is going to be all over stealing your fingerprint"

    There's more than fingerprints, there can be hand biometrics which are better. it's possible to use size. grasp and hand print. Couple that with voice. Again in security realm it's all about making it as difficult as possible. If someone wants to commit a crime badly enough, they will find away to do it, no way around it. It's to make it hard enough and costly enough, that they give up and try something else instead of the gun.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    we hit a permalink. I am interested in how you're thinking of other possible solutions. I'm not big on the biometric function to firearms. the "new" wave of identity theft is going to be all over stealing your fingerprint. If that happens and we have changed over products and systems to rely on it, there's no getting a new one, so to speak. Funny you should mention that, we have a client who invents in the biometric space.
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  • Posted by gblaze47 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not sure if that's true, he would have to know exactly where the intruder was and the best route to get there. May not be possible.
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  • Posted by gblaze47 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "You do agree to arming some within schools"

    I was never against it, but right now we have to look at all solutions, I just threw one out there. This sadly is a sobering critical issue. I don't believe guns are the problem, but we need smart solutions. I also like biometric locks allowing only the owner to use their gun.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    especially if one concentrated on the portable angle. Retail stores, churches, shopping malls, airports, hospitals etc.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Finally. You do agree to arming some within schools. I wanted to know how you stood on that issue. You make a good point about the costs.
    Maybe you've found a good entrepreneurial venture here. Since most of the schools are run by the government though, you'd have to crony up. :)
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Waiting for the "law to arrive"..... Why should we wait for that? I think the guard could get to the intruder faster than it would take to move 30 plus students to another room.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    even at a macro level, this discussion is off topic for the post. Please go find my post on morals and I'll be happy to continue the conversation as might others. I am interested in what brought you to this website. Have you read any Ayn Rand?
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  • Posted by gblaze47 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not at all, the room can be pretty small, it wouldn't be made to house them long term. Just to keep them safe until the law arrives.
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  • Posted by gblaze47 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The typical elementary schools is approximately $5 million to $6 million for a 45000 sq/ft building. To add on 15 'safe rooms' would cost approximately $210K. Then there are portable class rooms which can be made to be protected against gun fire. This could be added on at any time. I'm not saying that it's a sure fire solution, but in combination with teachers who are trained and certified to use a gun, the combination of solutions may be more workable.
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  • Posted by flanap 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ok...perhaps we can look at this more of a macro level. Is or is not the taking of innocent blood wrong? Let's just say for argument that innocent means that the person killed was not directly endangering the life of the killer (e.g. no self-defense).

    If you cannot say it is wrong, then frankly, it would be difficult to say that anything is wrong as an absolute.

    The reason I continue to hearken back to absolutes is because you cannot live without them. You cannot breath and live without oxygen in the right mixture with other naturally occurring gases, etc.... There are things that are what we call "natural laws," but I would refer to them as the way God set the world up to function.

    There is absolutely no question that a person's environment from one period of life to another, either experienced on a voluntary or involuntary basis, influence behavior; however, some behavior has to be classified as right and some wrong, else, life doesn't work and society becomes chaos.

    I perhaps should have prefaced all my thoughts with the fact that I am not an Objectivist and am not seeking to argue for it or against it...simply to argue that living life in denial of absolutes defined by God result in chaos, either in short order or in the long-term.

    I am happy to have this move to another thread and hijacking this was not my intention. I completely know what that is and what trolling is, neither are my MO.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Cheaper and more practical to have armed adults. Those "safe rooms" would not sit empty. You're suggesting enough space to have a dual school within a school. That's quite an expense of tax dollars which still wouldn't address stopping a shooter. Stopping the shooter is task number one. The students/teachers already have rooms that can be locked down.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In this post we were talking about arming teachers/personnel at schools, which would not be that expensive assuming liability remain the same. That might be a big assumption, I'm not sure. I could understand a school district considering building something when a new school is going up or large remodel project, but a 6k safe room in every classroom or even every other classroom is a large investment. I wouldn't need to see a risk analysis to say no to safety at any cost. But for many, this solution might be a huge selling point especially for charter and private schools.
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