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School shooting. Is it time for armed security on all campuses?

Posted by LetsShrug 12 years, 4 months ago to News
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The school shooting at an elementary school in CT yesterday is particularly unsettling to me, as I work at an elementary school and most of my day is spent in the Kindergarten classrooms working with 5 and 6 years olds. I am not, however, one of those who are saying that something like this happening is "unfathomable". I'm probably viewed as being a little on the paranoid side among my peers because I always jump to the extreme when anything seems a little off kilter.

For example, a few weeks ago I heard office staff talking on the radio that the overhead system (speakers) weren't working for some reason and I immediately grabbed a few extra radios and passed them out to teachers saying, "keep this on your person until the overhead gets fixed", some looked at me perplexed until I explained, "What if somebody's tampered with our speaker system? If something crazy happens we won't be able to communicate...call me nuts I don't care just take a friggin' radio!" I got different reactions from them. Some were surprised with my train of thought and others were appreciative of my preparedness. The speaker system was quickly fixed and all was well.

Maybe I am being extreme, but when I see kids on the playground, or sitting in a classroom, it has crossed my mind that 'if some lunatic wanted to cause chaos here it could be easily done', but let's face it because it's true...as we have just seen, once again. I was at a Christmas dinner last night with my book club friends (almost all teachers) and eventually the school shooting topic did come up, although we had vowed to avoid it for the evening because it is so upsetting. We didn't talk about it for too long, but we quickly came to the conclusion that there is no real way to make a school "totally secure" from an intruder if someone is so inclined to intrude.

Sure, there are certain "security" measures in place, enforcing them is a priority, keeping the kids safe at all times is paramount (even to the extreme of not letting children 'chase' each other on the playground to avoid injuries...and I could write a book about all the bloody noses and head lumps that result from this practically daily because enforcing the "no chasing" rule on a playground with 90 kindergartners is just as difficult as maintaining a "secure school"...you do your best, but if they're inclined to chase, they're going to chase...they're 5 year olds and that's what they want to do).

I've been thinking about school security a lot this morning, watching the news etc. and the topic of having an armed security officer/cop on every campus has been brought up. (Gun control has also been brought up, but being a gun enthusiast and freedom lover and a believer in having a right to defend myself and my family I do not believe that adding more gun laws to the books will do a damned thing to stop lunacy.) So I'm wondering... is it time to privatize schools and add an armed officer to each campus? Or should some charter schools pop up offering this service on campus, giving parents a choice of sending their children to schools where they think their kids will be as safe as possible?

Sure, some parents would opt to not have their kids attend a school where there is a gun present ANY where on campus, even if it's holstered on a hip of a trained law enforcement officer and that's their choice to do so, but is it time to do this? Would public schools ever offer this? (I'm sure the unions would love it as they could collect union dues from an officer too), but it would work against their current gun control agenda so I'm not so sure really.

What say you?


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  • Posted by DragonLady 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I believe "panic" buttons under the teacher's desk might be an excellent idea. I work in the federal courthouse in Chicago (yeah, gun control is really successful in the newly-crowned "Murder Capital" of the U.S.!!!), and every judge's chamber and office has one (or more). And they do work. There has been more than one instance where a new employee activitated one, and response was instantaneous. Of course, that response was from the U.S. Marshall's Service, who is responsible for security in federal buildings.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago
    Did somebody edit and re-paragraph my post? I don't remember having 7 paragraphs when I posted this...
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    **Spoiler Alert** Sad gruesomeness ahead.
    I actually dread going to work tomorrow. I've NEVER felt dread for going to the school before. Not because I'm fearful, but because I know all the kids will have heard about it over the weekend and they'll be talking (and thinking) about it... And this is supposed to be fun Christmas activity week. :( (And yes we call it Christmas every chance we get). I hate them having to experience this. When I was 8 I had a close family friend (and neighbor, 3 doors down), who was murdered (him and his cousin, 10 and 11 year olds) while they were fishing at a pond near his cousin's house (on Mother's Day of all days), by an ex-con who had just gotten released from prison, and he did it with his bare hands. It tore up our entire community. I wouldn't wish this type of thing on my worst enemy and I've never looked at the world in the same way since. It changes you forever. I really really hate this for all of them. (Whew...I just severely lowered the level of the downer bar...sorry.)
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    those "downers" started adding up a long time ago in my mind. Talking about the best mode moving forward and thinking things through is the least we can do for that community. It is a sad but interesting post because you brought it "home" for us.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm thinking a teacher would need to immediately corral his/her kids to the "safe place" if they got a prewarning of danger in the building and not even have to think about anything else such as getting his/her arms at that point. Seconds are valuable. Keeping it ON your person is the only fail safe way to be at the ready constantly. But point taken. :) (The other problem with having a locked drawer and needing a key etc is the added risk of a curious, or an "off" student getting access to the key....why even have that extra worry? Eliminate that possibility all together. ON-THE-HIP! :)
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Someone should take a fine point black sharpie to that phone and its buttons. But that's not anyone's job either, is it.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Listless... lol
    Ah but having illegals do time in the military would BE putting jobs first on the list. (I just used that lib 'logic' there). Actually, your scenario sounds eerily possible. This post and responses should win the Gulch Downer Award. Sheesh.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm assuming the peak in 1929 was because of Prohibition(?), but (believe it or not and I know I'm sounding like some copy cat topic person) we talked about this last night too. About it "being on the rise" and I said that I didn't think so it's just that it's more publicized and there are more people now, but there's always been lunatics who kill people for no good reason. I don't think there is anyway to stop crazy people on an ugly mission, other than to be prepared to combat it if it shows up at your door, or in your face when you're out living your life. More gun laws will only make combating it more difficult. How do anti gun people ever think more gun laws will ever stop a criminally minded person, EVER?? There will always be a black market for guns (ALWAYS.. just like booze during prohibition) so if you took OUR guns away in the name of keeping us safe, the black market gun business would thrive (just like bootlegged booze), and we'd be less safe than ever because we wouldn't have the "right" to defend ourselves any longer.
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good point. I was thinking of a situation in which a teacher heard gunfire elsewhere in the building or heard a command to arm come over the intercom.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    you are probably right. it always bugged me that there were armed guards at my kids' high school. I always felt like it was to protect the kids from themselves. and they were a school blowing the world away on test scores. but then, we found out there was a heroin ring at work at the school obviously worked from the outside and infiltrated inside and I changed my opinion. of course we were Colorado, home to any number of monsters...
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 12 years, 4 months ago
    Our college installed security phones in classrooms this year. When an instructor got exam times mixed up, and didn't show up, a student picked up the phone and punched the "help" button. Turns out it wasn't connected to security at all, but to the Information Technology helpdesk. An annoyed IT employee stated, "It's not my job to track down instructors." The student patiently explained that their professor had never even been late, much less miss a class, and finally got the geek to transfer the call to someone who could help. Where have we heard "it's not my job" before? Oh yes, Atlas Shrugged.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am sure I'm on some list-but not the food storage ones. btw, you missed my pun.
    I used to say the govt was too inept to use the lists even if they had them and then I see how the libs worked their voter rolls. Am I too hopeful to think they only know how to work lists of dead and illegal people? It would be rich if at some point we were rounded up by illegals who were militarized as part of immigration reform (which is the 1ST TALKING POINT of the new admin.-jobs are LAST) and put away in internment camps. that's a good story line for someone out there...
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A locked drawer would take too long to access in an emergency situation. And teachers move around a lot so the drawer would, at the very least, be way on the other side of a room. Weapons need to be on the hip....where they're trained for it to be. It becomes part of your body after a while.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I know that, which is why (up there in my blurp) I mentioned some schools possibly offering up and armed guard so parents have a choice (meaning liberals) who wouldn't want any gun anywhere on a school campus even it's in a holster on the hip of a trained professional. I covered that possibility already.
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I teach at a college, and I've found home schooled students, in general, to be well prepared. The obvious drawback is that most parents would not have the motivation or ability to accomplish this.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Perhaps, but I'm attempting to converse with real thinkers, not liberals. I already know they'd put an anti gun slant on it and make all gun people into barbarians because they (libs) lack logic. And-that-is-why-I'm-in-the-Gulch.
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  • Posted by khalling 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    my take is this: if a child is armed in today's world, they better be standing right next to the parent or grandparent. not on school property. Now if we're in a war situation, well, there are times throughout history and particularly in before we were able to beat the Malthusian Trap, where an armed child might make sense. Knowing how to handle firearms and shooting them in an appropriate environment should at least be the framework to begin a discussion of arming children. But that is not in school, here in the US.
    so many potential great lives destroyed and for what? I want to say it the very environment of what is taught in public schools in the first place that breed monsters. but the evidence points away from that. In fact, in this article, the evidence points to a peak in 1929.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/rise...
    Regardless, I do not believe satire had a place in this particular post.
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 12 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Seems logical to me to have at least one teacher on each hall trained in the use of firearms, with a weapon in a locked drawer at the ready. Not a perfect solution, but far better than what we've got. I would also allow any teacher that desired to keep a taser in their locked drawer.
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