Open Letter to Libertarians: Why we will continue to lose until we are ashamed of being un-herdable cats.
Pregnant with the experience of working 8 months for Oregon democrats on the “Clean Water Fluoride Campaign” here in Oregon and a more recent spectacular disaster of a presentation on the “Principles of Libertarianism”, my tiny brain spawned "An Open Letter to Libertarians"….and please, critique it insufferably. I’d be grateful for any comments, especially the bad ones. All comments can be made below or if you really want to rip it to shreds, at www.principlesoflibertarianism.blogsp...
An Open Letter to Libertarians” is what I learned by my humbling failure and by working with democrats for nearly a year.
I’m confident you’ll enjoy the read. And it will give you insightful and undeniable evidence as to why we continue to lose. I also hope you will be curious enough to peruse and subscribe to my blog. It will have some rather provocative and entertaining surprises in the next few months and the starter blog is a favorite topic with many. www.principlesoflibertarianism.blogsp...
Live in the PDX metro area and want to get involved in fun stuff? Fun and creative events marketing libertarianism and the principles can be found at www.meetup.com/R3VOLution
An Open Letter to Libertarians” is what I learned by my humbling failure and by working with democrats for nearly a year.
I’m confident you’ll enjoy the read. And it will give you insightful and undeniable evidence as to why we continue to lose. I also hope you will be curious enough to peruse and subscribe to my blog. It will have some rather provocative and entertaining surprises in the next few months and the starter blog is a favorite topic with many. www.principlesoflibertarianism.blogsp...
Live in the PDX metro area and want to get involved in fun stuff? Fun and creative events marketing libertarianism and the principles can be found at www.meetup.com/R3VOLution
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I do accept the Objectivist tenet that individual rights is the foundation of a free society.
I well remember one time (about 30 years ago)
when some people in the Richmond City govern-
ment were trying to ghettoize us vendors and try
to restrict us to vending on Brown's Island. They didn't get that passed. And there was the time they tried to knock us down to 1 (at least I think it was 1) per blockface ; the different streetvending
businesses were together in having a petitiion, which we presented to the public, on the carts. However, I thought it might be just as well to do the same thing off-duty. First I went around in my own neighborhood. Then I went elsewhere. Eventually I went into the Northside area and knocked on doors. And I believe I turned in a record number of signatures for one individual, and our company turned in more signatures than any other. My boss-man even said that he hadn't at first thought that the off-duty tactic would work.--And, in the end, we won that battle. The measure went down to defeat. It was during that time that I composed the words to "The Street Vendors' Fight Song". (Same tune as "Battle Hymn of the Republic"). I'd like to make a "vendor's video" of it some day.
Your call.
I think the music is out of copyright but then, Happy Birthday doesn't seem to be. I would love to see them - I'm at ReneeDaphne@q.com
The message should be simple, repeated often. The message is so powerful. I, personally, know of very few people who would argue against fundamental Libertarianism.
Perhaps the movement keeps being usurped by people who are preoccupied with legalizing recreational weed(?) as their main concern. I just can't figure the failures out...
Besides, who says any of us are a judge of another's "slavery"? There are a few people on this list which points high enough to qualify them as being a "slave" to this list.
How do you "quantify" a word by emotion and since when are emotions NOT reality? Your argumentative style is a little loose when it comes to definition. Again, you are pontificating on what the human race does...please, you don't know but a tiny fraction of people on this planet so please leave off the "overview of humanity". I don't appreciate it any more than when it comes from the left. What are you doing to encourage others to make different choices?
1. On item # 10, I got lost in the pronouns. Not always sure which group “they” and “them” refers to.
2. The anti-fluoride campaign relied heavily on volunteers, but a clearly professional operation of that size must have had significant funding. Who funded it, and why?
3. You said the anti-fluoride campaign split the Democratic Party. Were the people you worked with “progressives” of the Bernie Sanders persuasion? Were the fault lines similar to those playing out within the Democratic Party on the national stage?
4. You said “choice” was last on their list “Reasons to Vote NO on putting fluoride in drinking water”. What were the reasons that ranked higher? Perhaps libertarians could also use these reasons when engaging the voters on specific issues.
1. I agree with you on #10 and I'll work on that part.
2. The other side NEVER has just one agenda working. There are many factions in the D party (just as there are in the R and L parties). They vie for power and control. This section wanted the strategy to go one way and took a stand on this issue (besides the city pushing it too far at last). There was a lot of mentoring from ???? but all the money mainly came from small donations under $500. Why? The only way you can get fluoride OUT of water is by reverse osmosis or "from the air" reclaimation...VERY costly and resource IN-efficient processes.
3. I don't use those labels (progressive, conservative, liberal etc). They don't mean anything and no one can define them...not even the owners of the label. This was a turf war, plain and simple. Powerful unions against REAL activists who actually believe in what they are promoting. This was way pre-Bernie/Hitlery ittis.
4. The reasons now are hard to remember as I didn't keep much of the literature. This link is from the NO side and references the YES side so you can see how things are "worded" https://fluoridealert.org/news/fluori....
What libertarians need to learn is that end goals are different from action plans and strategy is not done with alcohol and a shotgun but with triage and a scalpel.
Way back in the 50's, I can tell you how Nathaniel Branden did it up until his break-up with Rand. It started with Branden touring Rand groups all over the place. FREE. Where he couldn't show, he sent a tape. Today he could send a video. This was the 50's after all. Then he sent out taped lectures that were played to an audience that cost them $10. The local sponsor paid for refreshments and the room. AV today would knock the presentation out of the park.Those at the lecture(s) would be asked to join the group (Ayn Rand refused to allow her name to be used). The Branden network became quite formidable within a year.Then came the silly explosive break-up and it all crumbled away. But that's the way Old Nathan did it and if I must say, quite successfully and patting myself on the back for participating.Most of all those guys and gals (The Collective) are gone now, Except for the former head of the Fed. He must be as old as a Redwood Tree.
As to the organization being built on personality, that is a tougher proposition than it appears by looking at it casually. Yes, Rand's personality and more importantly her intellect created an almost cult-like devotion. But unlike the Sunday TV preachers, it was her philosophy disguised as a story that brought devotees to her and through her to Branden. I came to know him though a psychologist friend of mine who was a friend of Branden's. He was a very bright guy, but the moon who reflected the light of the sun.
The "network" that Branden built, originally for educational purposes but significantly deviating from that, collapsed because his organization ceased to exist when he collapsed intellectually and morally. There remained, however, a smaller and more intellectually serious network of those following the educational lecture series that continued. But that was never for political action. Organizing political action around a specific issue supported by an alliance of different kinds of people who share a concrete political goal is a very different matter.
I used to believe the LP was the best organization to demonstrate strict principle. When I figured out otherwise, I left the LP. (The LP's problem is that it won't even try to purge itself of kooks.)
These days most of the good strict-principle material I see is on blogs, or from groups like the Mises Institute. As for gradualist groups, I like the Club for Growth, the Institute for Justice, and Pacific Legal Foundation (the latter two being lawsuit mills rather than campaigns for office).
But all of these are so frustratingly slow to get results that I would still be very tempted by new-country projects.
The best marketing/PR I see being done on the right these days is from comics like Remy and Milo. And it's hard to keep the media from shutting them up.
LEARN LIBERTY http://www.learnliberty.org
LOVE GOV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSGgm...
WE THE INTERNET https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCa1D...
There was a time in the past when their collectivist crap was a really hard sell. What happened?
As for "There was a time in the past when their collectivist crap was a really hard sell. What happened?" -- "So long as the statist-altruist-pragmatist doctrine of the welfare state remained unchallenged, there was no other place to go." https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
As an outsider, it seems to me that a libertarian party needs to be a big tent with the only unifying principle being less gov't cost/intrusiveness. It should also, at least in my outsider opinion, purge any hardcore extremists or bizarre behavior. If there's one person who gets naked at the convention or says he wants to move the government to 18th century levels overnight, which we know will never happen, that is the story people will hear. I think it needs to present itself like a mainstream party that accepts the “reality” (for now) of gov't spending being over a third of the economy but promise always to turn toward less government at every fork in the road.
Another huge danger is the two-party duopoly sucking libertarians into one side with wedge issues. Consider how Gary Johnson tried to walk the tightrope saying he wouldn't support new restrictions on vendors discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation, but he also refused to back any measure to decrease gov't control if it was primarily to legalize discrimination. This issue of forcing bakers to bake a cake is so lame and unimportant next to shrinking gov't, but the parties are good at making it the subject. If it even smells like how I (as a Democrat) see the Republican message, i.e. “We'll convince the poor to spend gov't money on you rich and connected people by giving the poor other people to pick on to make themselves feel like they're not at the bottom of the pecking order,” it would alienate me immediately. It has to be, IMHO, “we just want to spend less and intrude less, with no wedge issues.”
An example from this article is the “George Soros express train to the dark ages.” I read his book and liked it. I support what he claims to be trying to do. Instead of making it about him, libertarians can be supportive of the things he says about expanding personal freedom without digging into whether Soros the person truly represents those values.
The thing it says about the word “choice” not resonating with people is tough because I don't see the way to have libertarianism without increased choice. I know it's a marketing issue, but I find it hard to imagine real libertarianism appealing to people who are afraid of personal choice. I really hope that's wrong. I hope people want to live free making their own choices if only it's presented well.
I loved the article's view from the inside of a political org. I've never even been to one or really talked to a serious volunteer/activist about.
You may have misunderstood why I wrote the essay. It was mainly to point out why WE are failing, because we don't do any of things I mentioned. We just hope for the best.
I've worked in dozens of liberty groups and it's always the same. They abandon all they know about what works in business the second they start working in politics.
I was hoping this essay would turn on some light bulbs about what changes and strategies we need to employ if we want to start gaining ground. Apparently, I didn't do so well in that marketing exercise.
Maybe we just don't want to win.
As for a "big tent". I've seen the results of the "big tent" and it just brought in all the dross who want to label themselves libertarian and are NOT by a long shot.
I want a VERY small tent. I only want people who live by PRINCIPLES I find value in. I have three 1. I tell the truth 2. I am honorable in my dealings with others. 3. I respect property interests.
I want a little bit more than someone's interpretation of "non-agression". In Portland, that means not saying anything that might hurt someone's feelings because we all know words hurt just like a knife or a gun does.
Oh, you think I'm kidding? Come for a visit to Portlandia. I will show you things that will make you quake in fear. We even have instructions in the sidewalk on how to think and act.
Be careful, the Neo-techs may infiltrate your blog as there may be some lurking here in the Gulch, though not directly advertising their odd takes on Objectivism and Libertarianism.
That anti-fluoridation direction is non-sense due to the lack of harm due to natural fluorides at much higher concentrations than any added to a municipal water supply. Whether one wants more tooth decay in children's teeth of the poor is another matter to consider with un-fluoridated water with the government accusing a parent of child neglect if the schools find any cavities in teeth.
As a chemist, I understand the pros and cons of fluoridation of water and the only problem I have with it is that it is semi-mandatory in that one can purchase drinking water and use fluoride substance on their teeth if they decide to do so. Why do you use government supplied water and not complain about chlorination to kill bad living things or the use of other chemicals in purification processes. If you came to libertarianism through Rand, then don't expect to go for the Rothbardian type of anarcho capitalism.
https://mises.org/library/why-i-am-an...
I prefer the Randian type of limited government and do not see any way without waring groups trying to force society into private enforcement organizations for some kind of non-legal policing pretending not to be a government.
So it's okay for government to interfere in people's free choices if the purpose is to "prevent disease"? This logic can also be used to justify taxing the hell out of sugary soft drinks, or even banning them altogether. That's more of an argument in favor of a nanny state than an argument for individual rights.
If you have a way to limit the nanny state, go to it, but that will require a lot of wasted time to convince those who want it, just as it is near impossible to change religious or philosophical beliefs, even in oneself.
I like to think this is or could be a big tent, ideally the vast majority of society.