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Michigan mom who ignored deal to vaccinate son loses primary custody

Posted by $ AJAshinoff 6 years, 7 months ago to Culture
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I have mixed feeling about mandatory vaccinations. Overall though, I think the parents should make the ultimate decision over the well being of their child. Michigan, in my opinion, has just made a major transgression stepping on this parents right and authority.


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  • Posted by ApollosMarket 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    An oath to commit treason is no oath at all. If this was an honourable man, he would not have resorted to a legal resolution in a physician's affair, but stuck to the law. Just because Jesus died for our sins doesn't mean we have to.
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  • Posted by IndianaGary 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Climate changes all the time, you idiot! That's what climate does over time. Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW), however is what Gore is selling to install his socialistic agenda. No one with a brain is buying.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Half the time, I would mistake other "parents" as grandma and grandpa - white hair, wrinkles, the works..."
    The Midwest has younger parents. My wife and I are not examples. Our 6 year old wrote in school that her mom was having her birthday, turning 43. The teacher corrected it to 34, assuming she had transposed the numbers. Our daughter was right.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 6 years, 7 months ago
    After a journey that's cost me about $1M and more than a decade I am confident in telling you that if you think you understand the topic of vaccines based on what the media has told you, you're mistaken. This includes getting reports via the media about medical studies that have been done. You actually have to go read the studies yourself. They're out there. All you have to do is put on your thinking cap and start reading.

    You're welcome.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually...they've been proven to be not very effective. Ayn Rand said it best when she said, "Check your premises."
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "I think no one should be able to force anything into anyone else's body."

    Congratulations. You get it.
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  • Posted by $ 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm saying that there was a reason for one parent to be given more custody than the other. That reason was enough for 99.9% of daily choices in the child's life unless it contradicts the state???
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  • Posted by $ 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    CG what part of "mandatory" do you not comprehend? Why should the decision be taken from the individual or the parent of the individual and made by a total stranger or group of strangers?

    Anti-vac? What a load of shit. Anti-totalitrian is more like it. If its not a choice then its forced.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We "can" do medical statistical research at work, we have 1000s of Hadoop cluster nodes and we play with medical data from time to time. For example, we can calculate the average cost of a procedure by provider, by zip code, nationwide and determine a market cost for each region, etc. It's not what we do for a living, but it's something we "can" do.

    Average age of parenthood has gone up dramatically, if you combine that with the early on-set of puberty that drinking milk with steroids in it does to little girls (like boobies at 6 or 8 or 10), menopause is shifted forward in lockstep. Women have exactly a specific number of eggs at birth, when exhausted, menopause comes on. The last 20% or so get a little sketchy due to changing body chemistry preparing for menopause. My wife was full-blown menopause at about 36 (10 years ago), her younger sister is there now at 32. Simultaneously, women want advanced educations and careers, but their bodies are really programmed for motherhood in their 20s. Our son was born when we were about 23, but we also had a 2200 sq foot California home by then, lots of career stability (full-time military), etc. People don't generally do that though, delaying kids until late 20s & 30s or even 40s.

    So the funny point of that unrelated nonsense above, fast forward to later elementary, high school years, we live in one of the higher-priced areas of California ($700k+/- minimum), and I shit you not, 30-40% of the time if I picked up my son from school, they would tell him "his older brother is here". Half the time, I would mistake other "parents" as grandma and grandpa - white hair, wrinkles, the works... Biggest billboard on the freeway is the local IVF clinic...

    Does age "cause" autism, no... but when we look at just raw statistics at work, the 'age' of mom for childbirth (in the health insurance claims), compared to the increase in autism, is pretty much in lockstep. Advanced age for popping out a kid, equals a much higher chance of birth defects, which equals an increase in autism spectrum disorders, etc. as a whole. Zero correlation with vaccinations, because we have been vaccinating since polio - and autism increase is a recent millennial snowflake/fear/phenomenon. Despite their being the least of concern (younger age).

    My dad suffered from polio, I think the same snowflake / helicopter parents should be required to be a caregiver for someone. My dad was afflicted in his left leg, much like FDR was. In their witchcraft medicine of the era, they decided to slow down the rate of growth of the good leg (right one) to 'match' the child-like leg he would have on the left side. To do that, they broke the femur, tibia, and tibia 27 times from his age of 6 until he was about 9, and tried to constrain it's growth by putting in staples on the broken bone fragments. When he was about 35, the pain was unimaginable, and he had over 1000 metal fragments removed from his "good" leg bones and surrounding tissue.

    This dipshits seem to think that isn't a problem - that autism is the fear... LOL. The World Health Organization says every year, that the complete eradication of polio from the human species is completely within reach, but that every year a few people refuse the vaccination on their kids. We only need 1 year of 100% vaccination, and it would be gone for good - but here we are.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "to the secondary parents desire to what what the state wanted all along "
    Are you saying if they're going to have mixed custody, they need to agree on an mediator, rather than having it default to the state? That seems reasonable. I wonder if that's an option in any states today.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "anti-vac types never seem to have a good explanation about what they are going to do when the kid gets rubella or polio"
    I think they're usually rich enough to feel like they can avoid or treat diseases when they arise or are too poor to afford scientific medicine.

    I guess I should call them anti-vac, since they're not against the VAX computers.

    "that they believe the vaccine causes autism"
    I am not up on the science of what causes autism, but I jokingly wonder if it's because aspies are more likely to find people to have children with than in the past.
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  • Posted by $ 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    False, I didn't say one parent should have full custody and the second should have none. Whats I said was the court appointed custody as they did for a reason. While its been pointed out that fault isn't always the case when custody is given it still lends itself to the secondary parents desire to what what the state wanted all along while the primary parent was refusing to comply.

    As for what if - when the juncture is come to take the cure. Immunization is strictly preventative. In NY schools used to provide shots (eye tests and hearing tests too) that I would learn about at the moment. I remember wondering why these people were sticking me with stuff I had no idea what it was and also wondering is my mom knew about it. But then at that age recess happened and I was more interested in kickball to remember to ask.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good viewpoints. I think the same, the anti-vac types never seem to have a good explanation about what they are going to do when the kid gets rubella or polio, only that they believe the vaccine causes autism (instead of couples in their late 30's or 40's popping out kids and driving up the statistics with high-risk pregnancies).
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  • Posted by sheinpdx 6 years, 7 months ago
    This was a legal dispute, not governmental interference. I strongly believe in the benefits of vaccines, however I am also well aware of the problems with them. As a victim of undiagnosed polio and with a cousin who has an autistic son (and she relates this to vaccines), I have a personal interest in the topic. I am aware of the African American Male study; it only applied to those under 36 months. From my research it appears that (at least part of) the problem is that vaccines contain inflammatory chemicals in order to trigger the immune system to process the "bug". If that is the case, it would seem prudent to spread out immunizations instead of giving several at one time. If I were having a child immunized today I would insist on only one at a time. If I were African American I certainly wouldn't have a male immunized before the age of three. I do think it is reasonable to mandate immunizations before a child enters public school. There will never be "only one" without immunizations if it isn't mandatory and today a parent who is concerned about the risks of immunization can opt for online schooling.
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  • Posted by $ 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    as he fleeces companies and governments to make himself richer while ignoring all that he told others to do. Please.
    Gore was, is and always will be a fraud selling snake oil. In some ways he's worse that Michael Moore.
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are people who will politicize anything. I think Gore did a good thing, though, by raising awareness of climate change. Although maybe it wasn't good for a politician to do it because now we have people wanting to deny humans contribute to global warming and other people using to it to sell socialism. I would hate to work in that field.
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  • Posted by IndianaGary 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    When Al Gore and his ilk start out with, "According to climate experts...", put your hand on your wallet and slowly back away. I have no problem with using scientific knowledge appropriately, I'm just saying, beware the source. Many of Gore's so-called experts have no connection to climate science and many that do have a political agenda.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Beware the "experts" (appeal to authority)."
    I don't consider it a fallacy to look up scientific facts or to use scientific authorities. Part of science is we know it might be wrong. We know new evidence might be found. But when it comes to understanding, preventing, and treating disease, I'll go with the experts.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "What percentage of modern medicine do you believe to fall under that allopathic pseudo-term?"
    I think it's 100%, assuming "modern" = scientific medicine, which supporters of unscientific complementary and alternative medicine call "Western medicine" or "allopathic" medicine.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Never "Believe"...Observe! and I would guess 95/99% of modern medicine only serves to quell symptoms and not the cause. That, from inception, Is the definition of Allopathic Medicine and it goes hand in hand with the concept of Progressivism. Telling you, how to live and what you can do by governments...In Medicine or the care of one's body it does "for" the body instead of empowering the body to do for itself.

    On short notice, here is one that encompasses the "Allopathic intent: The term is also used by homeopaths and proponents of other forms of alternative medicine to refer to mainstream medical use of pharmacologically active agents or physical interventions to treat or suppress symptoms or pathophysiologic processes of diseases or conditions.

    Originally the process of quelling the symptoms of dis-ease by using harmful chemical agents was translated as Quackery.
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  • Posted by $ rjim 6 years, 7 months ago
    A lady, whom I worked with in Michigan, has a 16 old son with autism. She indicated the symptoms occurred shortly after he had multiple vaccinations in the same day.
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  • Posted by ScaryBlackRifle 6 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The father should not be assumed to have any deficiency save an abundance of funds to house and care for the child in the absence of the mothers' labors. It may well be that the time involved in earning the funds to support two households left him neither the time nor the funds to spend adequate time with the child nor did it allow him to hire a full time caretaker for them.

    But the error was in the sharing of custody. My son intends to argue for shared custody of his two children (his wife regularly disrespects the visitation agreement). From the vantage point of successfully upholding his end of the shared custody he intends to return to the court to ask that he be granted sole custody.

    Speaking as a man who petitioned for and was granted sole custody way back in the dark ages of men getting custody (1976), sole custody is the only custody worth having.
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  • Posted by ScaryBlackRifle 6 years, 7 months ago
    Since a wedding license is a private contract which the state merely agrees, for a fee, to record for the sake of inheritance and liability laws, it seems reasonable that it has no standing to IMPOSE conditions, such as shifting custodial patterns, upon that contract but may only record alterations to it (for additional fees rendered) such as its dissolution and the terms of that dissolution mutually agreed upon by the parties.
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