Michigan mom who ignored deal to vaccinate son loses primary custody
I have mixed feeling about mandatory vaccinations. Overall though, I think the parents should make the ultimate decision over the well being of their child. Michigan, in my opinion, has just made a major transgression stepping on this parents right and authority.
The lady had a divorce agreement with her husband that she vaccinate the kid. She went against this legally binding agreement. She got arrested (for contempt), THEN the news media got involved. Lastly, the kid was vaccinated in his father's care.
So it looks like the government just randomly took an unvaccinated child, arrested the mother, and forced vaccinations on the kid.
You're welcome.
More true than ever today.
A spoon full of that medicine/poison or something completely ineffective will only lead one deeper into that rabbit hole.
Dr. William Thompson, senior scientist at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) contacted me during 2013 and 2014 and shared many issues regarding fraud and malfeasance in the CDC, specifically regarding the link between neurodevelopmental disorders and childhood vaccines. Dr. Thompson and I spoke on the phone more than 40 times over a 10 month period and he shared thousands of pages of CDC documents with me. Eventually, Dr. Thompson turned this information over to Congress via Rep. Bill Posey of Florida. Among the issues discussed in the phone conversations were lies told to the public by the CDC regarding the link between thimerosal-containing vaccines and neurodevelopmental disorders (including autism) as well as the links between the MMR vaccine and autism in African American males and the MMR vaccine and “isolated” autism. Isolated autism is the term coined by CDC researchers referring to all children who received an autism diagnosis without additional diagnoses of mental retardation, cerebral palsy, visual impairment or hearing impairment.
1. CDC scientists colluded to cover up a relationship between the timing of the MMR vaccine and autism in African Americans that was first discovered in November of 2001. Rather than reporting the results to the public, all data regarding this relationship were destroyed at a secret meeting held some time in August/September of 2002. This fact has been affirmed via an affidavit given by Dr. Thompson to Rep. Bill Posey in September, 2014.
2. Dr. Thompson attempted to warn the CDC Director at the time, Dr. Julie Gerberding, regarding this relationship, prior to the February 2004 Institute of Medicine meeting on vaccines and autism. Rather than allowing Dr. Thompson to present the information at this meeting, Dr. Gerberding replaced him as a speaker with Dr. Frank Destefano, current director of the CDC’s Immunization Safety Office, where he presented fraudulent results regarding the MMR vaccine and autism. Dr. Thompson was put on administrative leave and was threatened that he would be fired due to “insubordination.”
3. When Dr. Thompson attempted to leave the CDC later that same year, he was given a $24,000 retention bonus. Dr. Thompson’s impression of the timing of this bonus, in light of disciplinary actions taken against him earlier that year, is that CDC officials were “buying his silence” through controlling his actions as a CDC employee.
4. Dr. Thompson has published two papers linking thimerosal exposure in infant vaccines to tics in boys (Thompson et al. 2007 and Barile et al. 2012). CDC fraudulently maintains on their website that “There is no evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines, except for minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site.” (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/conc.... The tic result was also affirmed in the earlier CDC publication by Verstraeten et al. (2003) and the Andrews et al. (2004) publication.
5. CDC pressured Dr. Thompson to downplay the tic result of his analysis in his 2007 paper. He was instructed to deemphasize the tic result by the CDC’s Chief Science Officer, Dr. Tanja Popovic, by emphasizing that the “major finding of the study” was “there is NO associations (sic) of thimerosal exposure with the great majority of the outcomes.” Dr. Popovic also instructed Dr. Thompson to interpret any negative outcomes as “chance findings.”
6. CDC also pressured Dr. Thompson to withhold publication of his 2012 paper which reported a relationship between thimerosal and tics. Dr. Ed Travathan, head of the CDC’s National Center for Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities, stated in an April 27, 2009 memo to him that the analysis was sound except for the tic results and that they should be omitted from the publication. Since the tic result was the only result that had a consistent negative relationship with thimerosal exposure, it seemed that Dr. Thompson’s superiors were specifically concerned that thimerosal’s safety and use not be questioned. As an epidemiologist, Dr. Thompson was justifiably concerned and critical of the CDC’s action to approve the paper for publication only after the CDC took the extraordinary step of adding an expert in tics to water down the paper to state, “This finding should be interpreted with caution due to limitations in the measurement of tics and the limited biological plausibility regarding a causal relationship.” From https://www.focusforhealth.org/dr-bri...
I think no one should be able to force anything into anyone else's body.
I had no choice but to take shots in NY and I'm fine. Still the idea of how government is today and how screwed up corporations are in search of profit and power makes me far less trusting to blindly allow an unknown cocktail into my body. Look how our food additives are impacting our bodies.
Congratulations. You get it.
On short notice, here is one that encompasses the "Allopathic intent: The term is also used by homeopaths and proponents of other forms of alternative medicine to refer to mainstream medical use of pharmacologically active agents or physical interventions to treat or suppress symptoms or pathophysiologic processes of diseases or conditions.
Originally the process of quelling the symptoms of dis-ease by using harmful chemical agents was translated as Quackery.
I think it's 100%, assuming "modern" = scientific medicine, which supporters of unscientific complementary and alternative medicine call "Western medicine" or "allopathic" medicine.
Sorry about this for all you people that have actually had real problems with Vaccinations...but this frigging woman has no basis for refusing to vaccinate except her feelings. Vaccinations have been proven statistically to be better than no vaccinations. It sucks when you kid gets sick from the vaccination, but go somewhere where there are no vaccinations and see how well your kid does.....not well. The mortality is incredibly much higher than where we do have vaccinations.
Be careful of the LIES. The one I hate the most is that ONLY my daughter can carry a disease. NOT TRUE. the kid she caught the chicken pox from was vaccinated for it. You can still be a carrier if you have had the vaccine. Don't demonize the kids who don't get vaccinated, because they take ALL of the risks.
I have both on this site and my facebook site have seen a few George carlin talks and I think we need more of his observations. is there someone in the wings to take that on.
It sounds like in this case the parents' decisions were in conflict. Either way one parent's decision would be overridden.
Autism correlates more closely to the average aging of parents, than vaccinations.
Yes I see two important but unrelated issues: "primary" custody and healthcare decisions.
Custody: AJ says in a divorce situation one parent should have full custody and the second should have none. Maybe the second could have "placement" but not "custody". I can see it this way, or I could see the court trying to give one parent "secondary" custody and then mediating disputes like this. I don't find either one appalling. It's a Kobiashi Maru test.
Healthcare: I know what the science says about vaccines savings lives, even of others through herd immunity, but I also respect people's right to be what I consider stupid. At some point you have to draw the line where they're putting other people in too much peril. Obviously if you're driving like a maniac, wasted on alcohol or firing a gun in the direction of a densely populated neighborhood, you've crossed the line. I draw the line between these acts and not getting the recommended vaccines. It's possible, although highly unlikely, science will find there actually are some risks of vaccines to some otherwise healthy people. I get all my kids vaccines on time. We chose not to put them in a school we interviewed that had a high population of anti-vaxers. But I don't want to force the anti-vaxers to do the right thing. Someone might die or be maimed, but if we used force to stop anyone from putting others in even slightest risk, it would mean putting everyone in a bubble-wrap prison.
I think they're usually rich enough to feel like they can avoid or treat diseases when they arise or are too poor to afford scientific medicine.
I guess I should call them anti-vac, since they're not against the VAX computers.
"that they believe the vaccine causes autism"
I am not up on the science of what causes autism, but I jokingly wonder if it's because aspies are more likely to find people to have children with than in the past.
Average age of parenthood has gone up dramatically, if you combine that with the early on-set of puberty that drinking milk with steroids in it does to little girls (like boobies at 6 or 8 or 10), menopause is shifted forward in lockstep. Women have exactly a specific number of eggs at birth, when exhausted, menopause comes on. The last 20% or so get a little sketchy due to changing body chemistry preparing for menopause. My wife was full-blown menopause at about 36 (10 years ago), her younger sister is there now at 32. Simultaneously, women want advanced educations and careers, but their bodies are really programmed for motherhood in their 20s. Our son was born when we were about 23, but we also had a 2200 sq foot California home by then, lots of career stability (full-time military), etc. People don't generally do that though, delaying kids until late 20s & 30s or even 40s.
So the funny point of that unrelated nonsense above, fast forward to later elementary, high school years, we live in one of the higher-priced areas of California ($700k+/- minimum), and I shit you not, 30-40% of the time if I picked up my son from school, they would tell him "his older brother is here". Half the time, I would mistake other "parents" as grandma and grandpa - white hair, wrinkles, the works... Biggest billboard on the freeway is the local IVF clinic...
Does age "cause" autism, no... but when we look at just raw statistics at work, the 'age' of mom for childbirth (in the health insurance claims), compared to the increase in autism, is pretty much in lockstep. Advanced age for popping out a kid, equals a much higher chance of birth defects, which equals an increase in autism spectrum disorders, etc. as a whole. Zero correlation with vaccinations, because we have been vaccinating since polio - and autism increase is a recent millennial snowflake/fear/phenomenon. Despite their being the least of concern (younger age).
My dad suffered from polio, I think the same snowflake / helicopter parents should be required to be a caregiver for someone. My dad was afflicted in his left leg, much like FDR was. In their witchcraft medicine of the era, they decided to slow down the rate of growth of the good leg (right one) to 'match' the child-like leg he would have on the left side. To do that, they broke the femur, tibia, and tibia 27 times from his age of 6 until he was about 9, and tried to constrain it's growth by putting in staples on the broken bone fragments. When he was about 35, the pain was unimaginable, and he had over 1000 metal fragments removed from his "good" leg bones and surrounding tissue.
This dipshits seem to think that isn't a problem - that autism is the fear... LOL. The World Health Organization says every year, that the complete eradication of polio from the human species is completely within reach, but that every year a few people refuse the vaccination on their kids. We only need 1 year of 100% vaccination, and it would be gone for good - but here we are.
The Midwest has younger parents. My wife and I are not examples. Our 6 year old wrote in school that her mom was having her birthday, turning 43. The teacher corrected it to 34, assuming she had transposed the numbers. Our daughter was right.
Anti-vac? What a load of shit. Anti-totalitrian is more like it. If its not a choice then its forced.
As for what if - when the juncture is come to take the cure. Immunization is strictly preventative. In NY schools used to provide shots (eye tests and hearing tests too) that I would learn about at the moment. I remember wondering why these people were sticking me with stuff I had no idea what it was and also wondering is my mom knew about it. But then at that age recess happened and I was more interested in kickball to remember to ask.
Are you saying if they're going to have mixed custody, they need to agree on an mediator, rather than having it default to the state? That seems reasonable. I wonder if that's an option in any states today.
They say the mother was the primary custodial parent, making me think the father was the secondary. So at first blush I think the court is right to take his opinion into account, possibly siding with mainstream expert opinion to be the tie breaker. But then I think about how with other legal documents, such as PoA for healthcare, there can only be one person. There is one person who gets the power 100% and it goes 100% to another person if and only if the first person abnegates. I remember an attorney saying on some business documents that by listing two decision makers you're pre-building a conflict into the document. OTOH, that's the nature of divorced parents, so maybe the law is right to weigh the primary and secondary and have the court be the tie-breaker. There's no good way to handle, and I don't know the least bad way to handle it.
I don't consider it a fallacy to look up scientific facts or to use scientific authorities. Part of science is we know it might be wrong. We know new evidence might be found. But when it comes to understanding, preventing, and treating disease, I'll go with the experts.
Gore was, is and always will be a fraud selling snake oil. In some ways he's worse that Michael Moore.
A parent should be the only opinion that matters here. The woman was upstanding enough for the court to award her primary custody but not upstanding enough to determine if she child should take a shot? Hogwash. This stinks of the state flexing its muscle into an area where it doesn't belong.
Mom (court award custody) goes to jail and jr heads to the dads house (court didn't award custody) for a week before being given more custodial rights as a reward? Mom get slapped while dad gets a pat on the head.
Please
CG's Response: Yes. The article really didn't bring that out. They should just call it "custody" instead of "primary custody", or the article should explain how the name is misleading.
The state acted as arbiter in a domestic dispute, nothing more. Their role is, in my view, obnoxious in a private matter, but a necessary evil I suppose.Even so, aside from how to parse custody the STATE has no business in the matter, including taking a side contrary to the primary parents wishes.
A parent saying NO should be sufficient without having to explain.
Courts regularly decide in favor of the mother over the father without any specific reason. They use traditional roles to judge against fathers and use more contemporary gender roles (aka feminist rubbish) to also judge against fathers (and all men in general.)
In this case the court reversed its decision in favor of the father only because it has an agenda of using government force when anyone has an independent thought that disagrees with being a slave to government dictates.
But the error was in the sharing of custody. My son intends to argue for shared custody of his two children (his wife regularly disrespects the visitation agreement). From the vantage point of successfully upholding his end of the shared custody he intends to return to the court to ask that he be granted sole custody.
Speaking as a man who petitioned for and was granted sole custody way back in the dark ages of men getting custody (1976), sole custody is the only custody worth having.