A College Education Can Now Be Found On The Internet for Free

Posted by Maphesdus 12 years, 3 months ago to Education
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This is a very interesting development for modern times, and I personally think it's awesome.

But... I was wondering how this sort of philanthropic idea of giving away for free something that used to cost exorbitant amounts of money fits into Ayn Rand's philosophy of greed and selfishness (I'm using these words in the same way that Rand used them). We all know that Ayn Rand detested the idea of giving or receiving anything for free, and that anytime goods or services exchanged hands, there should be some kind of mutually beneficial transaction for both parties involved.

Even in Atlas Shrugged, when Dagny goes to Galt's Gulch, she is told that the word "give" is explicitly forbidden. And at another point in the story, when a particular character brags that he has never turned a profit from any endeavor in his life, Dagny responds by saying that she considers nothing to be more evil.

So how does this free education fit into the Objectivist moral philosophy? What do you think?


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  • Posted by LetsShrug 12 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sometimes you get what you pay for.... sometimes you get less. Sometimes you get useless crap.
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  • Posted by KatherineElizabethTaylor 12 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Makes me wonder if this "free" college education would be as useless as the current public school system in the U.S., which is also paid for by tax dollars. (Also, I did attend public schools K-12. Just wanted to add that in case anyone thought I was being a snot. I just realize that the public schools are subpar and very corrupt, to say the least.)
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Are you experiencing a "freezing" issue in Firefox after viewing Flash videos (like on youtube)?

    I'm using Windows 7, though. If you are, that would make it probably a Firefox issue, if not, it could be a Windows, or more likely, Flash issue.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I really wouldn't care about getting an engineering degree... if I had the knowledge and ability expected of someone *with* an engineering degree. A degree is a piece of paper.

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  • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Check your premises.

    Their value may not be what you consider it to be. Value is not always measured in dollars and cents. Consider that Francisco was not paid a penny for recruiting people to the Gulch, but recruiting people to the Gulch was of very much value to him.

    His mines, and family heritage, were of extreme value to him. But he traded them for something he valued more.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 3 months ago
    Does this mean I can now get a real engineering degree?
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  • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 12 years, 3 months ago
    I think Rand approved of 'giving' if it was of your own free will. If I have an 2 doughnuts and I 'give' you one because I want to, it's totally different than me being forced to give you one. She didn't approve of altruism.
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  • Posted by Lucky 12 years, 3 months ago
    Questions-
    1. Do they work for no pay? That is fine by me, charge what you like for your work, or make no charge at all. Your money, your time, your life.
    2. Or, are the people behind it, the writers, academics, admin, etc being paid for it, if so by whom? It could be it is someone else, a university, the tax payer, someone who may 'think different' if they knew. There is no pleasure like giving away someone else's money.
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  • Posted by Lucky 12 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, Linux, most distributions are provided free by volunteers, the one I use is free tho' I am on an annual voluntary sub. nothing wrong to my mind with cooperation, it is not the same as conscription. I reckon it is better than the big name, definitely better value for money even with an annual sub.
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 12 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The linked website is a clearing house for numerous "free" sites...that is the sum total of the offered value.

    This site is a dead ringer for "Peter", since it is in it for the money generated by it's 'hits'. The site educates no-one.

    What you say about Roark may apply to any one of the referred educational sites...but without going to each one to see the advertisement activity, I can only guess.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 12 years, 3 months ago
    I do not think Rand objected to giving things away for free. Wasn't there a part of Fountainhead where there was a depressed young man who happened upon one of Roark's buildings. Seeing the beauty of it changed the young man's life. I can't recall whether he got to thank Roark; I think so. Roark just wanted the world to have that beauty, whereas Peter did it for the money and prestige and didn't care about the artistic value.

    I got the idea Rand was totally in favor of giving stuff away if you want, but totally against manipulating people into giving out of a sense of pity, duty, or sanctimony.

    There is a book "Free: The Future of a Radical Price". Another book on a similar, but different, vein is "Linchpin". Automation is giving us almost unlimited mfr'ed goods. All the value is in the creative component. "A Whole New Mind" is a good book focused on that last point.

    The school may be giving stuff away to build its brand (See "Tribes" by Seth Godin), and I can't see anyone objecting to that.

    We're going into an amazing post-industrial age. Mfr'ed stuff is becoming like water from a bubbler in the park. Okay, tax dollars pay for that water, but it's trivial.
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 12 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't see any merit in trying to equate Objectivism to a website that is offering a "free" education, in exchange for the website 'hits' that earn advertising dollars. It is too easy to say that this is a voluntary exchange of value, for value.

    But: just what value is the visitor receiving? You can endure this online schooling all the way until the final exam, but you will never actually receive a 'degree' of marketable value. You may get the personal gratification of learning college level course material, and that may be all the 'value' you expect.

    You might even be able to use this to pass CLEP tests in the universities that administer them. This could shorten your path to a real degree....

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  • Posted by LionelHutz 12 years, 3 months ago
    Well, I can't answer how it fits into the Objectivist moral philosophy, but I'm happy to tell you what I think. When things are given away, it is generally a sign they are not appreciated or valued very much. Also, often things are claimed to be given away for "free" but there are strings attached, such as you giving your contact information to sign up, and they in return selling your information to mass-marketing companies (or the government). I do not trust the motivation of people that want to give me "free" things because nobody can really afford to do free. Are there possibly ulterior motives? Do you understand what they are? Do you accept them? You're paying, one way or another. The man who takes my money...I'm pretty sure I've given him everything he wants. The man who offers me something for "free" - I'm never going to be sure exactly what his angle is.
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  • Posted by LionelHutz 12 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    By the way, I am writing this while running Firefox under Linux and I just finished a language learning session over at Duo Lingo. Oh the irony :-)
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 12 years, 3 months ago
    If it's free...why is it talking about Grants... At who's expense?
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