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Gwyneth Paltrow calls Harvey Weinstein a 'coercer' in resurfaced 1998 Letterman interviewThe Independent

Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 6 months ago to Culture
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This is funny, because for thelast 10-20 years Hollywood established itself as the arbiter of morals, and has now become obnoxious about imposing their delusional moral standards on everyone else. Except, I guess, themselves, because if they cannot take what was said in this interview in 1998 and figure it out, it is no wonder their stuff is so horrible today. This ought to end their reign of moral terror, and make them totally impotent in any future debates or discussions. Any time someone tries to tell me what I should do,and tries the "this actor says" or "this actress says" logic, the answer is one word "Harvey".
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  • Posted by coaldigger 6 years, 6 months ago
    The oldest dirty joke in any business is the movie studio casting couch and we say "shocking"!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi...
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    • Posted by Jujucat 6 years, 6 months ago
      Shocking in that it took so long to come out into the light, yep! While they're playing around with vocabulary, "complicit" and "enabling" are a couple more words Paltrow and others need to read up on.
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 6 months ago
      Ha. That's the first thing I thought too. I know it's no laughing matter, but it should NOT be shocking. The outrage reminds me of that clip.
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      • Posted by term2 6 years, 6 months ago
        Its been around so long that the starlets that layed down on it did so willingly. So whats the big deal now. They didnt HAVE to hop in the sack with Weinstein after all.
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        • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 5 months ago
          "So whats the big deal now. "
          I know, but if you're not righteously indignant, people say you're "fine with" rape.
          https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...

          I can't stand the notion of making people feel uncomfortable and/or being manipulative/dishonest. But I think our society goes overboard on sexual harassment.
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          • Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 5 months ago
            No, CG, I believe that people are righteously idignat about the idea of someone cornering another in a room and taking them like a piece of furniture to use. That violates the Objectivist idea of not doing violence to another, or upon yourself by another. I agree that this was a 2 sided coin, in that these women put their careers ahead of their own self's, and that was THEIR decision, that they own, which is why I do not give credence to women crawling out of the woodwork 20 years later complaining Trump grabbed their tit. If it wasn't a big enough deal to yell about then, it sure isn't now. It's also credibility, just like with Bill Cosby, why wait 20 years to decide to accuse someone. And yes, Sexual Harassment is right up there with being racist, homophobe and all the other cute Liberal offenses against man, that always seem to be done only by evil white conservatives....
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            • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 5 months ago
              I don't see the connection between the first two sentences and the rest. Do you think there's a problem to be indignant about, beyond things that are really crimes like false imprisonment and physical assault and battery? Or do you think we're overboard on sexual harassment? Or is it not as simple as that?
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              • Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 5 months ago
                CG, there are at least several accusations where the dude just grabbed the women and raped them. They stayed silent to protect their careers. I am pretty sure people have a good case to be righteously indignant when someone can do those things and get away with it. I call that a problem. I also have to say that I am suspicious when they all stay silent until an avalanch is openbed and the herd can run over the tiger. Why did that suddenly happen? Did Harvey not donate enough to the right person or party to continue the suppression? Did these women suddenly get a set of stones? Did Wonder Woman push them to stand up? Indeed, the entire society is as overboard on sexual harassment as racism, statues, history and what certain politicians may or may not have done, to name a few, Just be sure to realize it is almost inevitable the person at the end of every diatribe about someone being abused is a liberal, and they are looking for a lever to use.
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                • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 5 months ago
                  "people have a good case to be righteously indignant when someone can do those things and get away with it."
                  I think we generally have a decent criminal justice system that would investigate those crimes and have a good chance of putting the perpetrator away if the crimes were promptly reported.

                  I think I'm missing your point because in two posts you start saying there's good reason to be indignant about sexual harassment because it's often associated with violent assault, and you end by saying allegations are often bogus and politically motivated. I guess you're saying "on one hand, on the other hand," which is how I see it. To me it seems like we've gotten to a point where almost everyone rightly agrees hitting or grabbing people is a serious crime. Now we've gone overboard treating rude non-violent behavior as tantamount to physical assault.

                  This is why Trump came off more favorable to me in the third debate. They had just released those tapes of him talking really nasty about people he was working with and grabbing women. How could someone make him look favorable after that? The answer is the third debate. They kept asking him about joking about "sexual assault". On tape he says "they let you do it," which made it sound like just inappropriate behavior. Maybe he meant "they let you do it if they want to keep their job," but he didn't say that. The moderators rightly asked him about it. He answered. Then they wouldn't let it go. I went from thinking he was horrible for talking like this to seeing him as in innocent person whose name was being trashed unfairly. They did an amazing job of making a slimy person seem sympathetic.
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                  • Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 5 months ago
                    CG, you seem to be missing the point, there is a difference between grabbing a buttock and or boob, and raping a woman. The idea fo forced sex for work in Hollywood is long been know (aka the casting couch). The issue is that everyone was so afraid to say anything, because the same system would protect them, as it protected the "image of Hollywood", yet it was so well known. It illustrate the hypocrisy of the same people so willing to dictate social justice to the rest of the peasants. In addition, there is a component that also includes the fact that they could have reported it, screamed it from the roofs, if they were willing to buck they system. Bottom line, is that there is a right to have "righteous indignation" when there is a system so powerful, so well known, yet so easy to hide in plain sight. Then business as usual...
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 6 years, 6 months ago
    I question whether there are any actual victims in this. Seriously, this has gone on for years and it was accepted as the cost of doing business. Another word comes to mind that permits sexual contact for pay and doesn't in any way equate to "victim".
    Okay, have at me.
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    • Posted by term2 6 years, 6 months ago
      I agree with you. All this outrage is just wrong. Most, if not all, of those starlets who "gave in" would have done so even if it was laid out for them at the start- "sleep with me and you get the part..."
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 6 months ago
      Nope, you raise a very valid point and one I have also thought about. If it was so rude and crude (which on a side note, I suggested to my wife they just have a Hillary 8x10 glossy on hand, and hold it up like a crucifix at a vampire, and I am sure wee willie will go home), but they all say they "said something" which indicts their whole Hollywood "we are holy you are not" system. I am so disgusted with all the "special groups" (athletes, entertainment) that I do not support any of them with my money whenever possible. The fact this tape exists condemns the whole crowd of self indulgent idiots who are so busy lecturing us on what we need to be doing. They need to clean their own house. Making a movie today is a government project, 10% goes into the movie, 90% disappears. Richard Hatch gave a wonderful presentation at the Axanar panel at Comic Con in 2015, where he clearly explained how a 100 million dollar movie can be made for 10 million, "if" and almost all of it was cleaning up the corruption and graft.
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      • Posted by term2 6 years, 6 months ago
        Funny thing, I have stopped watching sports, and since the last election I have "X"d off the rich celebrities that constantly bash Trump now that he is elected. I suspect they all had back room deals with the Hillary people to get goodies once she was elected that they arent talking about.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 6 months ago
    Power corrupts.
    If Americans would recognize this and act as if everyone was corruptible the federal government would have no significant power, the banking cartel would not exist, and the Bill of Rights would be respected.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 5 months ago
    And everything that Bill Clinton has done is just fine.
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 5 months ago
      That is just one of the sickening aspects of our society. Free passes to the powerful, until another powerful group is willing to sacrifice them, to somehow cover their own asses. Question is, why would a democratic party controled media suddenly give a platform to assassinate many major donors?
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  • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 6 months ago
    A lot of folks here seem to think that because it is not new behavior that it has gone on for ever that it is ok. Certainly in some cases the sex was grudgingly traded for work. But as the wire tap proved Harvey Weinstien was a predator The entitlement and position with his Depravety that was deceptively used is on the evil end of the slippery slope.
    I find it hard to believe it is acceptable and that an objective person would force himself on someone once let alone time and time again.
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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 6 months ago
    Hollywood is polluted with swamp creatures. I am amazed at all the fuss over Weinstein. The casting couch has been around for a LONG, LONG,LONG time, and the sweet young things that desperately want parts in movies that do anything for it shouldnt complain- particularly the ones who got the parts.
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 6 months ago
      The real issue is, they all complain, but they valued their work over their rthics, which I do not argue with, but that is their decision. Also, since so many knew about it, they are also saying the poweful elite banded together to protect each other in the performance of their actions, so "I bad, you bad, we all bad". However, these are the same elites who lecture us peasants on our ethics and morality and "what we should be doing" (Like voting for Hillary, knocking off Trump, burning buildings, and other constructive things). They want what politicians have: Authority, with no responsibility. It doesn't work that way.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 6 months ago
    Hey! Harvey is a perfectly good name. One of my friends in my youth was a Harvey, not to mention a certain six foot rabbit.
    Sexual harassment has been going on forever. Ask any waitress who wears a skimpy costume why her butt is so bruised.Not that any of that justifies it. What is amusing is Hollywood's sudden amazement at good old Harv, as if they didn't know about it and the actions of many others for last 100 years. This stuff goes all the way back to the silents and the Fatty Arbuckle scandal. Oh well, hurray for the awakening.
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