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Impossibly Huge Megaliths That Show Signs of an Ancient Technology We Cant Explain

Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 6 months ago to Science
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This is a question that I have always thought is worthy of a lot more than "off the cuff" assumptions that "it just got done". Many stones are so perfect it is ridiculous to think they got hacked out to match like they do, or be a smooth as they are. Good summary of sites around the world and examples of what makes no sense.

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  • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 6 months ago
    Plenty of enigma's with the ancient megaliths . Here is one that is first a tunnel carved into the base of a mountain . Next mined 300 miles away over two dozen perfect granite rectangle boxes 80 tons apiece with 20 ton lids.They were transported and brought into an opening and narrow tunnel.
    The dimensions 13 1/2 feet long 7 1/2 feet wide and 11 feet high.. the cave entrance 9'10" wide not much room to carry on each side about 15" each side for carrying.
    Serapeum of Saqqara .
    So what is so fascinating about Saqara’s Serapeum? Lots, but probably most especially the twenty four enormous sarcophagi, measuring 4m long, 2.30m wide, 3.30m high and each weighing over 80 tons, made of granite. The Serapeum is an underground development comprising a complex network of narrow tunnels within which the large sarcophagi are located. It is baffling to think how these sarcophagi were ever moved and positioned within such a tightly confined space. Clearly not impossible, as proved, but how?

    The sarcophagi too create their own mystery. Only two of them bare any inscriptions. The others are totally smooth in finish. Each is carved from a single block of granite. The corners are perfect inside and out, and the sides are said to be exactly parallel, which, even if there were actually some slight wavering and error in the remark, would remain remarkable with only primitive tools and no drill to have used that anyone knows of. Apparently there are notches that allow the 4.30m wide lid to be rotated sideways on its central axis and to remain in position on the edge of the sarcophagus. This indicates that the sarcophagi were used open as often as closed.
    http://www.soul-guidance.com/houseoft...
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  • Posted by $ jlc 6 years, 6 months ago
    I agree with blarman: Ancient peoples were as smart as we are. They had tools and techniques we have not recovered, because they were made of wood or because they were knowledge based or because they were rare - such as the vicegrips in the Norse Mastermyr toolkit from about 1000AD.

    No need for aliens; we have brains.

    Jan
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    • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 6 months ago
      Levitated mass 340 tons does this compare to ancient sites? Some Stones from ancient temples weigh up to 4x this modern day feet. It cost 10 million for one stone.
      Heizer first conceived of the work in 1968, and attempted its construction using a 120-ton boulder in 1969. This attempt was abandoned, however, when the boom of the crane being used to lift the boulder broke. In December 2006, Heizer discovered a new, larger rock at Stone Valley Quarry in Jurupa Valley (Riverside County, California) while preparing a different project. With the help of LACMA director Michael Govan, funding was secured for the boulder's removal and transportation and for the construction of the finished work at the museum. The cost of the project has been estimated at $10 million, and was funded entirely via private donations.[2]

      The boulder was originally scheduled for transport in August 2011. Due to the difficulty in securing permits for the journey, the trip was repeatedly delayed, with the boulder finally leaving the quarry at the end of February 2012. The rock was loaded onto a 295-foot long, 196-wheeled transporter custom-built by Emmert International. Because of the transporter's size and needs, the boulder could only be moved at night at a maximum speed of about seven miles per hour. Though the quarry is located less than 60 miles from the LACMA campus, a circuitous 106-mile route traversing 22 cities in 4 counties[3] was taken in order to avoid busier roads or overpasses that could not support the combined weight of the boulder and transporter. Numerous trees were cut down, cars towed and traffic lights temporarily removed in order to facilitate the transporter's movement. The rock itself was wrapped in high-thread-count Egyptian cotton sheets and an outer layer of thick plastic before being loaded onto the transporter. The trip took 11 days, with large crowds gathering to see the boulder both in motion and while parked during the day. Spontaneous block parties and at least one marriage proposal took place at the transporter's various resting places. The transporter finally arrived at LACMA at 4:30am on March 10, 2012. A crowd estimated at over 1,000 assembled to see the installation's arrival.[4]. https://www.google.com/search?q=levit...
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      • Posted by $ 6 years, 6 months ago
        Excellent example, take that and send it back 6 or 8 K years and have a bunch of starving slaves drag it there. They'd still be waiting....
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        • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 6 months ago
          An incredible discovery that was recently made in Russia threatens to shatter conventional theories about the history of the planet. On Mount Shoria in southern Siberia, researchers have found an absolutely massive wall of granite stones. Some of these gigantic granite stones are estimated to weigh more than 3,000 tons, and as you will see below, many of them were cut “with flat surfaces, right angles, and sharp corners”. Nothing of this magnitude has ever been discovered before. The largest stone found at the megalithic ruins at Baalbek, Lebanon is less than 1,500 tons. So how in the world did someone cut 3,000 ton granite stones with extreme precision, transport them up the side of a mountain and stack them 40 meters high? According to the commonly accepted version of history, it would be impossible for ancient humans with very limited technology to accomplish such a thing. Could it be possible that there is much more to the history of this planet than we are being taught? https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...
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          • Posted by $ 6 years, 6 months ago
            Wow, stranger and stranger..
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            • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 6 months ago
              Gravity is not constant. G and electromagnetism both fluctuate maybe the knowledge to amplify Changes was used.
              https://www.newscientist.com/article/...
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              • Posted by $ 6 years, 6 months ago
                That is actually a very, very important find, but I found this part very tellig:

                An oscillating G could be evidence for a particular theory that relates dark energy to a fifth, hypothetical fundamental force, in addition to the four we know – gravity, electromagnetism, and the two nuclear forces. This force might also cause the strength of gravity to oscillate, says Padilla. “This result is indeed very intriguing.”

                So, if this mysterious force was actually identified and quantified, it would possibly be the missing factor. I am surprised they are this open to discussion...
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 6 months ago
      Jan, issue is, where does the tech come from to work such huge blocks, move and cut so precisely, then fit them together? Either they had magic, or there are some records or remains of equipment, but so far 0 has been found.
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      • Posted by $ jlc 6 years, 6 months ago
        There is no magic, nickursis, there is no mystery. Time after time we have had 'mystery' products from the past, such as real Damascus swords (not pattern welded!) and inevitably these turn out to have different versions of the same answer: Our ancestors were competent people.

        Experimental archeology can and has reproduced these things: Damascus swords (ore has to come from a specific mine in India and be forged in a certain manner), moving huge blocks of stone (many re-enactments), hand spinning and/or weaving finer thread than most modern products.

        Repeatedly, we have discovered that our ancestors were more advanced longer ago than we imagined. Occam's Razor says that this is the simplest answer.

        Jan
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        • Posted by $ 6 years, 6 months ago
          More advanced yes, but that still does not mesh with the standard model of building upon the previous generations knowledge. Your position is actually reinforcing the hypothesis that there was a more advanced civilization further back in time. Where did they go, and who were they?
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          • Posted by $ jlc 6 years, 6 months ago
            There are two topics here:
            1. Ancient precision stone cutting techniques.
            2. Technological level of ancient societies.

            1. I think that we know enough about (and can replicate experimentally) ancient stone working techniques to explain the fascinating architecture that remains without having to postulate aliens.

            2 Babylonian batteries and Antikythera devices need to be included in our image of the past. Otzi had a copper axe 5K years ago; Thera (and maybe Knossos) had indoor plumbing and running hot and cold water. A subset of our ancestors were civilized and sophisticated scholars (the rest were howling cannibals - lots more variation in the past).

            Jan
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            • Posted by $ 6 years, 6 months ago
              All true, however, as below, there are a series of stone boreholes found in Egypt with no marks in them from a cutting tool, and we cannot do that today. So, obviously, some very advanced, and different, science was available. Maybe related to whatever was used to cut and fit stones with near perfect precision in many Peruvian sites.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 6 years, 6 months ago
    The precision with which some of these megaliths are constructed suggests some very sophisticated tools both for measurement and machining. Where are they?
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 6 months ago
      Not only that, but why would there be such limited numbers of sites, it supports the idea of a huge sea rise, and most of the ancient world is submerged, like the huge city off Iwo Jima.
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    • Posted by jsw225 6 years, 6 months ago
      Hardly. All of this conspiracy theory is fueled by the belief that we of the modern world are smart, and those of the ancient world are dumb.

      Nothing could be further from the truth.

      If you assume a knowledge of Trigonometry (which the Babylonians [3700 years ago] were just recently proven to have [AND they used a system that was far more powerful and more user friendly than the modern way]), all of these things are easily accomplished if you have both the Manpower, and nothing better to do.
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      • Posted by $ 6 years, 6 months ago
        Then the record would surely support it. Think about how much information gets expended documenting all of today's current efforts. Where is the ancient equivalent of "Discovery, Science channels, or Encyclopedia Britannica?
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      • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 6 years, 6 months ago
        " fueled by the belief that we of the modern world are smart, and those of the ancient world are dumb."
        Or you could say the mental and physical "Evolution of man." Smart really is irrelevant in this context because they didn't have the foundation to build on yet and, perhaps, not a developed enough brain for the higher concepts.
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        • Posted by jsw225 6 years, 6 months ago
          Hardly. It has to do with available time, and not what the brain is capable of. People can sit around and play with theoretical mathematics because of millenia of building societies. A mathematician can sit around jotting notes on paper because other smart people have figured out how to make food cost very little. Because that guy doesn't have to step outside his door and spend 10+ hours a day tilling a farm or he will die.

          You only have to look at what all these great societies accomplish when people don't have to go through subsistence survival.

          What you are talking about is not evolution of Man's brain, but evolution of society.
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          • Posted by $ 6 years, 6 months ago
            I would tend to disagree on just that idea, it seems you have to have both a physical and a social evolution to get to where you can perform advanced tasks and have the wisdome to implemnt their results, look at where we are today, with a split of 30-70 between "1st world" and "3rd world". 3rd world is not held back by their technology or intelligence but by their society and the "power corrupts" rule. Every poor country has a 1% who rle. We just spread that out a little more, and the Liberal dream is to give it away and level the playing field, with no replacement of greed to energize it, so it will inevitably fail.
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            • Posted by jsw225 6 years, 6 months ago
              But we're not talking about the 70% of the world at that time that put up these monuments. We're talking about the 30% of the most advanced civilizations. Again, you assume that as you go back in time that 70% number grows and grows, while the 30% number shrinks. But if you measure off what I described, you see things like the Babylonians using a MORE advanced trigonometry than we do. You see Egyptians building pyramids. You see Romans building aqueducts fueling their empire.

              You assume that since the Egyptians didn't have caterpillar tractors to move around the blocks that the Egyptians must be stupid, must lack the knowledge of how to cut and create square blocks, and don't have the strength to put them in place.

              Simple geometry is easy to suss out. For example, the pyramids are pointing TRUE north. How can a race as primitive as the Egyptians achieve this, you ask? It must be aliens or some unheard of technology! No. If you start with the assumption that the Egyptians are not dumb, it's easy to figure it out. Assuming the earth is round (which shoots the Flat Earth BS in the foot), you can find True North with a string in a single night.
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              • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 6 months ago
                Yes that was the least of their problems finding true north. How about the processional code or the dimension of planet earth among other math baked into the pyramid. Or the stunning fact that they have eight sides not four which was only detected from above high noon on the summer solstice.
                They great pyramid and the Sphinx was likely built before the Egyptians. The masterpiece in Giza was the greatest and the future or newer constructs were all inferior.
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              • Posted by $ 6 years, 6 months ago
                You points ar valid, but they do not incorporate all the known issues with places like the Pyramids, or as Dob has pointed out, Prescesional Astronomy such that they knew a 24,000 year cycle? Also, unless you know something more about their agrarian skills, who was raising all the food required to keep everyone going, while they busied themselves building a huge number of useless edifices?
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  • Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 6 months ago
    The History Channel under the aegis of "Ancient Aliens" has covered these locations and always attribute the immense weight of the stones to aliens who used some force such as anti-gravity and tools that can make incredibly accurate cuts. If only we had a time machine.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 6 months ago
      yes, they try to stay away from conclusions, but offer "alternatives". The bottom line is scoffing at it is illogical, because somehow, someway, they did something that, as Dobrien points out, would have taken a huge amount of effort and resources, for what reason? To expend that much effort there must be a compelling reason.
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      • Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 6 months ago
        Right.
        I cannot imagine such effort and expenditure of wealth and manpower without some compulsion other than "because we want to." What is rarely taken into consideration is the cost of housing and feeding the thousands of men needed to be fed, housed and trained. Moving a hundred thousand ton rock, miles away, and carving it to shape with primitive tools? Gimme a break.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 6 years, 6 months ago
    These objects and others were the inspiration for my novel series The Vostok Revelation (First Contact book 1) There are far too many sophisticated, out of context and dismissed objects (building, devices, images) for it to be ignored. I found that it was interesting to weave together a great many of these things with other human beliefs to create a compelling story. I suspect the truth of the matter is far more interesting than anything I can speculate.
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    • Posted by IndianaGary 6 years, 6 months ago
      I've always been fascinated by the Antikythera device.
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      • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 6 years, 6 months ago
        A little too complex for simple minds with no grasp of higher mathematics.
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        • Posted by $ 6 years, 6 months ago
          Indeed, so the science community, in general, ignores it. When they should be over excited and figuring out how it was made, and how they acquired the science to do it. That was why your book works, it offers one of many possibilities, but it does offer a good support for the idea of either outside intervention or a previous civilization destroyed by some cataclysm.
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          • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 6 months ago
            The clues of an ancient race that was wiped out or disappeared are all around the globe.
            It is likely an extremely rapid melting of 2-3 mile high sheets of ice created a massive flood and tsunamis wiping much history from the planet. http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-h...
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            • Posted by $ 6 years, 6 months ago
              There are enough actual, verified, real sites under water to at least establish that at one point, there was a significant amount of land above the current water level. I am waiting for someone to stumble on an ancient city that has real artifacts and can be dated accurately.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 6 years, 6 months ago
    What, no Ancient Aliens?!! I love to shred each and everyone of them. The ancient engineers and masons must of had considerable more intelligence. Plus extensive tool kit then we in this era give them credit for. Even though we have found a lot of their tools yet. Those ancient peoples probably took their tools with them where ever the work was. I each of my vehicles has a set of tools, besides a home tool chest. So, the same holds true today the tools go where ever man goes.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 6 months ago
      Well, the real issue is that no tools have ever been found capable of what we find today in the work, resulting in having to fantasize to come up with an explanation. I think that there is a possible answer under water in some of the shallower areas. There is a signifigant shallow area in the pacific north of New Zealand that is possibly a submerged continent, and there are a lot of stories relating to "magicians" who came to the people of the earth (many societies tell of them) who could perform magic and taugh men civilization. So, if the comet from the Younger Dryas (about 12-14,00 years ago), did indeed really dig up the earth, maybe it caused a great melting of the ice sheet and raised sea level to where they were submerged, thus hiding the "tools".
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  • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 6 months ago
    The world population in 3600BC estimated at between 11 million to 28 million. Man just starting to write. Hardly a time when there was an excess of manpower with little to do. Just think what it took settlers in the 19 th century to survive.
    There is a disconnect when granite can be cut with the precision that cannot be replicated today with glass smooth surfaces and inside corners precision cut weighing 160,000 lbs all with crude copper chisels.....hmmmm
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  • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 6 months ago
    Pharaohs understood that when slaves were kept busy and tired they were less likely to revolt, just like the banksters today.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 6 months ago
      Well, he does point out how that theory doesn't pan out always, the brute force concept is unusable in some instances, like the tiny ridge where Cusco is located and he said " They don't know how they fit them all up there". So, if Plan A doen't fit, basic problems solving says "try a different idea". That is what mainstream science seems to want to ignore. But yes, just like the banksters today.
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  • Posted by chad 6 years, 6 months ago
    While the size and complexity of the building materials and architecture are fascinating I can not draw the conclusion that aliens from another planet would come to this planet to build these structures with their technology. Humans have evolved to build using engineering techniques that utilize building materials more efficiently to be as strong as needed and provide more space with less material. Why would people who could traverse even the galaxy need to build these monoliths to provide shelter or guidance for their craft? My dad once suggested that some of these incredible stones were placed and then oxalic acid or some other agent these builders were aware of was used to soften them and make them fit well. I don't know if that would work either but often times we do discover methods that although crude would have worked.
    Why did these people build these incredible structures and monuments? Too much time on their hands? Rulers who wanted to impress others? Need for permanent structures that could last centuries not requiring the expense of labor to build new ones. All interesting questions we may never know the answers too. We are taking very little information and trying to read into what happened and why.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 6 months ago
      That is one reason more serious research is needed beyond "ancient aliens". The mainstream just wants to pawn it off with easy answers like "get a million slaves together" and then "roll them on logs". That doesn't wash, as the video shows, there is the one site where the mainstream did that, but then could not explain how they all got up on the slim spine where the site was, and there wasn't enough room for them all to stand. Certainly aliens is a possibility, just as angels and leprechauns could be, but, low probability based on existing evidence. Now, there is a lot of other evidence saying maybe there are aliens or advanced technology in human possession, and maybe there was back then, You just need some evidence. There are some perfectly cut boreholes in several Egyptian structures, that cannot be made today, without marks from the drill, so, obviously, something else is at work. You cannot rule out any answer, nor can you confirm one, yet.
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      • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 6 months ago
        I saw the Tutankhamen exhibit and the busts of Pharos carved 4-5000 years ago were stunning.
        Made my hair stand on the back of my head.
        The night before was a private showing for 3M
        Loads of engineers in attendance were also marveled by the flawless work ,so said the museum guard.
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        • Posted by $ 6 years, 6 months ago
          I saw it in England in 1970, when the British Museum had a special exhibit. They did not have all the artifacts, but they did have the sarcophagus, and that was stunning.
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