Oh, Shillery was a lot more, but you would not have been the only one closing up shop, and that was the real danger.

I think that an intellectual revolution is needed to make a sustainable change. That hasnt happened yet, so a crash right now would result in another crack at a "better" socialism. In Atlas Shrugged, the system crashed so that it was pretty obvious it wasnt working- and John Galt came along and promised prosperity using a new philosophical base. It sounded reasonable to the citizens, and they really had no other options...
Hillary was going to lead us down the socialist road as Obama did, but she was going to do it "better". I think the more socialism there is, the worse off the country will be. Look no further than Venezuela to see how this works. Its Atlas Shrugged being played out. Unfortunately, there is no John Galt down there to show them a better way, and the culture is definitely socialistic.
As to kicking the can down the road, if she was truthful about expanding on Obama's policies, it wouldnt be good for the country. Obama's legacy is a healthcare system that is worse for the citizens and will bk the country; more racial unrest; doubled national debt ; and the rise of reactionary politics.

Trump I think will "kick the can down the road" as you say much more professionally than the democrats. He will in fact improve the economy, reduce regulations, and free up people to succeed better.

I have to tell you I would have closed my business if hillary or sanders had been elected. Its no big deal, but 10 employees would have been out of work.

Hillary is crooked, plain and simple. That whole clinton foundation thing was amazingly smart but totally crooked. She was selling access to the government that controls us.

I wonder if they can structure it in such a way that it can only limit gov't. So the "danger" is here they might say gov't cannot fund any scientific research or cannot maintain any bases or military presence more than 10 miles from the border. But they could not change it such that gov't can now do searches without a warrant or restrict the right to personal weapons.

I am open to a CoS because we're not following it right now. If we admitted that aloud, I'm not sure if that would be worse or better than the current situation.

Jefferson Airplane: "White Rabbit" - 1967
https://youtu.be/WANNqr-vcx0

I don't consider Trump a great President. He was certainly not my choice for nominee. However, I voted for him as the alternative to Hillary Clinton, and I would do it again. I still don't think he has done something to be impeached for, anymore than his predecessor.

Obviously I do not believe in any of that... except that large gov't borrowing is unsustainable and large gov't spending is undesirable.

"Ayn Rand predicted the society needs to crash before it can be rebuilt as a truly free nation."
Did she predict this? I've only read three of her books. It's unfortunate if she said this because I really disagree. I think there's no guarantee at all that crash will lead a better world. It could just lead to more of the same. I don't know if I'm "a Hillary person" since I've never met her or been involved in politics outside briefly shaking their hands at events. But I did think she would be far-and-away better at kicking the can and keeping things stable, finding a way to keep gov't borrowing in the hundred billion range and not in the trillions. If I believe things falling apart would lead to a truly free nation, then maybe I would want clownish politicians. Having a clownish attention-seeking president is one small factor increasing the risk of things falling apart.

"inevitable march of progressivism toward fascism."
It seems like this is simply re-defining the problem. We can call politicians debating locking one another up "fascism associated with progressivism". We still have the same problem by another name.

"It is moving more toward something like this. The D/R divide already mostly comes down to East/West Coasts vs. everywhere else."
Yes, but urban/rural dominates, so there aren't large area separated by one or two dividing lines.

I wish that were true. I see them attacking at least the 2nd Amendment, 4th Amendment, and 5th Amendment. Getting a majority of states on some of these issues --- which will be presented emotionally --- as not that tough

Plus, he does not play fair, he does not seem to have a whole bunch of political debt, nor capital, so he is not beholding to either party. He also has no hold over a lot of them, especially Ryan (it seems) since he cannot get that dufus to take the pork teat out of his mouth long enough to get ONE real bill passed.

Exactly. Notice how once elected, almost everyone gets rich once in office. Off the backs of the taxpayers.
Trump does not need to do that and it pisses the political class, and their supporters, off so bad they need to invent all kinds of crap as excuses to remove Trump.

Yeah, definitely not good. I do think that the whole swamp is feeding off deficit spending and money printing and it’s already passed beyond ever being paid back. Financial collapse is inevitable at this point, even if Ron Paul himself were president

There you go, ever since the Supreme Court leagalized the sale and purchase of political influence and votes, this has been getting worse and worse, and is now out in the open.I just wish we had some billionare conservatives of our own. I guess once you commit enough crime and rip off enough people to get rich, you just naturally want to keep screwing all those pesky "commoners". More reasons for a Convention of States.

CG, really? You will try to get people elected who do not follow the law, actively violate it, lie, coverup their own screwups with more lies, want to take all your money so they can pay off their patrons and "special people" have sanctuary cities and states because they don't like the laws or feel really "generous" with other peoples money? Man, you must be overwhelmingly rich to afford "Hillary Like" people. I can't afford to fund either of the 2 current creepy corrupt parties, and would just as soon see something more basic and honest I could latch onto, but nothing has surfaced yet.

And goes into massive unpayable debt.

I was wondering if you were a Hilary person. I think the liberal hatred of trump is grounded in the fear he is awakening and gathering together people who are tired of being manipulated by liberal double talk.

I voted for trump because I thought he could at least slow down this incessant march of collectivism for 4 years. I didn’t think he could change the country in accordance with objectivist principles. The swamp is far too wide and deep for that

Ayn Rand predicted the society needs to crash before it can be rebuilt as a truly free nation. It’s a shame it needs to decline so slowly while it wastes our lives

"The liberals are afraid that THEIR agendas wont be supported by Trump."
I mostly don't believe that. Well, let me re-state. I agree that people who want certain policies think one person or the next will be slightly better. But I simply do not believe that for most people it makes any difference. So if you're concern is that gov't mandate "insurance" plans pay $10/mo for birth control, then I think some politicians are better than other. I just don't believe that's a real motivation for anything. Even if your grant is at risk or your base might be shut down, I agree that might make you vote one way or the other, but I don't see anything huge happening, like a 10-year plan to get gov't entire out of these things. So I say it's mostly theater.

I voted for Hillary, went to her fundraiser, put a sign in my yard, and urged people not to vote for Stein. I know Stein voters who were shocked that there weren't enough people like me voting for Hillary to win WI. I vowed not to comment for a while, but it sort of speaks for itself.

In one sense the outcome is good because having a total clown making a reality TV show of it exposes what I think of it being mostly for show. But I will still do what I can to get more Hillary-like people elected if a libertarian is not an option.

I remember when the talking heads would speak of campaign financing reform. The idea was to limit the influence the very wealthy could extract.
What we come up with is an unlimited stream of
Cash to buy an impeachment .Lets hope they never try to reform again it should be deformed.

That's fine, until you factor in the Liberal Lemming squads, who get the croney gangs re-elected, year after miserable year. Look at Kalifornia, once you get enough Lemmings bred, you own the place and 49% of the rest of the people get to pay for it.

Convention can be called for ANY reason, or reasons. No limit. Yes, they can propose all kinds of crazy ideas (like balanced budgets, term limits, revert to states electing their senators), but, you need a majority f states to approve any changes. Probably the least corrupt way to fix things we have left.

Yep, there you go. The lesser of 2 evils, and had they ran a Republicrat Party approved candidate, we would be looking at Shillary for 8 years. So, I'm good with Trump as well, since all the left has done is pollute the water so bad, no one will ever know if it is ever anything he REALLY did, or some fabrication, insulating him further from any retribution, or risk civil revolt. They keep digging their hole deeper, vice shutting up and letting him hang himself, which he would do for them with no help.

There has always been term limits, vote them out of office. I have always said if you are going to have term limits it should be two terms, one in office followed by one in prison for the crimes committed while there.
Stating that any president is good and concerned about constitutional limits on power is like saying; ". . at least Hitler didn't kick dogs." Starting with the first one they all looked for ways around the constitution and ensuring that 'the law' benefited them at the expense of others.

Oh...I asked Alice's Restaurant...forgot about Alice in Wonderland...Laughing

It is the inevitable march of progressivism toward fascism. The dehumanizing of your political opponent is a critical piece of authoritarianism and the demonization of "the enemy" is critical to the rise fascism.

Because of what progressivism is, it inexorably marches toward fascism.