What would you do? What would John Galt do?
You walk into a small beach bar on the ocean and a guy is sitting there. You have met him at this establishment before so you sit down near him and strike up a conversation. This is the sort of bar where patrons generally talk freely amongst each other. The man was in politics years ago in Kansas and occasionally brings up political topics. You know that his opinions are all over the map and have even moved to the pool table in the sand in order to not listen to him before. You try to steer the conversation away from politics, but he is not deterred. Then he says:
1) He is for raising the minimum wage
What would you do?
2) He states that minimum wage will not affect unemployment and the law of supply and demand has been repealed.
What would you do?
3) Then he says Obamacare is great.
WWYD?
4) After explaining that the only areas were the cost of medical has gone down are those the government stayed out of (e.g., Laser correction surgery), he says we are the only advanced nation without nationalized health care.
WWYD?
5) Then he says kathleen sebelius, who is from Kansas, is a wonderful women.
6) Then he calls you a racist, because you state Obama has the same philosophy Stalin, Moa, Hilter, etc.
7) Then he states we should get rid of the Constitution.
WWYD?
1) He is for raising the minimum wage
What would you do?
2) He states that minimum wage will not affect unemployment and the law of supply and demand has been repealed.
What would you do?
3) Then he says Obamacare is great.
WWYD?
4) After explaining that the only areas were the cost of medical has gone down are those the government stayed out of (e.g., Laser correction surgery), he says we are the only advanced nation without nationalized health care.
WWYD?
5) Then he says kathleen sebelius, who is from Kansas, is a wonderful women.
6) Then he calls you a racist, because you state Obama has the same philosophy Stalin, Moa, Hilter, etc.
7) Then he states we should get rid of the Constitution.
WWYD?
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Yes. I think of politics as being all the villains in AS and Fountainhead. The heroes are just getting things done.
Yes. I avoid talking to ideologues of any sort. I don't know too many of them. They can be normal people, but once you get them going on politicians, they carry on about how one politician is evil or a saint. I think most people have a tacit rule about not getting these people going.
I was saying if they don't think they're for a bankrupt ideology, then telling them you know won't affect them. If they know it's a bankrupt ideology but think they're tricking people, then it makes a difference if you tell them you see through it.
If someone thinks he can repeal the laws of supply and demand, my talking to him probably won't have any impact.
To the specific case above involving the Kansas communist, perhaps the shortest, most effective response would be:
"My friend, the policies you are promoting have been implemented in the country of Venezuela over the past several years. You should take a vacation there sometime. You would love it there. It's not for me, however."
Or by the 2nd question, ask him if he would truly like to debate the issues on facts or not?
Then when he deviates from the facts - or worse, denies there are facts - and doesn't care, leave with good cause.
I think the important part is that she knows that she is not alone in the way she thinks, which is why it is important to politely argue with liberals in public. You may not convince the guy you are arguing with, but you may let 3 other people in the bar know that someone else thinks as they do.
Jan
"Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone." Ayn Rand
...Okay, on second thought, you have a third option: Tell him you have never heard such a bunch of balderdash in your life and then walk away.
Getting back to the subject, I'd go to another bar or only come on the days that he's not there. Some people are just not worth saving from themselves. Besides there are a lot of cute blonds out there that you can talk to and maybe make a difference.
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