A Constitutional Convention: American Suicide by Nelson Hultberg
Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago to Government
Excerpt:
"The danger involved here has its roots in the two basic methods to change the Constitution given to us by the Founders in Article V. One is to form joint resolutions in Congress for amendments and present them to the individual states’ legislatures to accept or reject. This is the process by which all 27 amendments have been passed throughout our history. It is deliberate and sound and has served us well. But the second means to change our Constitution is not so sound. In fact it is downright dangerous. It provides for the formation of a Convention of States (COS) to be called to propose and pass amendments whenever two-thirds of the several states desire such a convention.
It is this second method, the COS, that looms ominously before us today. On surface it would seem to be a beneficial procedure to control government in Washington. But if formed, it will be nothing of the kind. Because of the ideological corruption of our citizens over this past century, a COS formed today would almost surely decide to dismantle our present Constitution and give us a totally new document, one geared to accommodate the tenor of the times, which is pervasive collectivism instead of individualism."
"The danger involved here has its roots in the two basic methods to change the Constitution given to us by the Founders in Article V. One is to form joint resolutions in Congress for amendments and present them to the individual states’ legislatures to accept or reject. This is the process by which all 27 amendments have been passed throughout our history. It is deliberate and sound and has served us well. But the second means to change our Constitution is not so sound. In fact it is downright dangerous. It provides for the formation of a Convention of States (COS) to be called to propose and pass amendments whenever two-thirds of the several states desire such a convention.
It is this second method, the COS, that looms ominously before us today. On surface it would seem to be a beneficial procedure to control government in Washington. But if formed, it will be nothing of the kind. Because of the ideological corruption of our citizens over this past century, a COS formed today would almost surely decide to dismantle our present Constitution and give us a totally new document, one geared to accommodate the tenor of the times, which is pervasive collectivism instead of individualism."
Secondly, the group at conventionofstates.com has published model legislation for use by the states, the operable part of which reads:
"Section 1. The legislature of the State of __ hereby applies to Congress, under the provisions of Article V of the Constitution of the United States, for the calling of a convention of the states limited to proposing amendments to the Constitution of the United States that impose fiscal restraints on the federal government, limit the power and jurisdiction of the federal government, and limit the terms of office for its officials and for members of Congress."
These are the limited purposes for which a convention would be called. Anything else is out of order.
It is clear that the ruling cabal in Washington have neither the will, stomach, nor the courage to address the issues of over spending and government overreach that concern the American People. It is equally clear that our elected and appointed officials in Washington have as their primary goal to continue "business as usual", and ignoring the real problems of the country and the true needs of the Country.
This is why I strongly support a Convention of States as outlined above. It's time for the American People to take back our country, and get overreaching, oppressive government under control as our Founding Fathers intended.
https://www.conventionofstates.com/so...
It is plain as day that the arrogant Evil Hag is as crooked as felons come with out in the open multiple counts of criminal acts.
If a Constitutional Convention is called, here are a few things I'd like to see proposed:
1. Elimination of the 17th Amendment and a return of Senators being elected by their respective State Legislatures.
2. Elimination the 12th Amendment, re-establishing that the Vice President is the runner-up in the Presidential election. (This would give real teeth to any threat of Impeachment and Conviction and make the Vice President more of an active role in the Senate. This would also encourage other political parties.)
3. Amendment to the 14th Amendment, clarifying that the US Constitution and its protections extend ONLY to US citizens and legal guests on US soil.
4. Repeal of the 16th Amendment and apportioning taxes to the States by Census for Federal budgeting purposes.
5. New Amendment placing the burden of supporting members of Congress (salaries, staff, offices, etc.) on the respective States (to replace the 27th Amendment).
6. Amendment to the 20th Amendment prohibiting the participation in Congress or the Executive Branch of outgoing members (to prevent lame duck actions). Also institutes a freeze on Executive Recess Appointments during this same period.
7. New Amendment restricting political fundraising by candidates to moneys from voters residing in and legally qualified to vote in their respective Congressional Districts.
8. New Amendment adjusting the size of the House of Representative, increasing the number to one Representative for every 200,000 citizens per State. Also provide for the House to meet and conduct business by teleconference.
9. New Amendment mandating a balanced budget to include debt service.
10. New Amendment eliminating the Federal Reserve and prohibiting adoption of a non-governmental body with powers to set either monetary or fiscal policy.
Feel free to add your own.
#7 would make safe districts even safer, thus making it harder to remove incumbents. For example, we could no longer even try to get rid of Nancy Pelosi unless we wanted to begin by individually moving to her district.
#7. I can't - and shouldn't - control the representatives from another part of the country no matter how much I agree or disagree with their politics. Nancy Pelosi doesn't represent me and I don't get to vote for her. And if I don't get to vote for her and she doesn't represent me personally, I shouldn't be meddling in her election. This is how Bloomberg and Soros have been campaigning to fill selected Senate and House seats, most recently the Virginia Governor's race.
#8 would severely unbalance the House as California would have 197 representatives almost 4 times their current number, while Montana would only gain 2 for 3 total.
Those were just the two that jumped out at me.
#8. Actually, I've run the numbers and it doesn't unbalance things as much as you think, especially when you consider that even in California they have pockets of Republicans. What this does in aggregate is actually de-emphasize the big cities' stranglehold on the current voting process and encourage more representation from rural areas which are more commonly non-Democrat. You get more accurate representation.
The second part of #8 is that you greatly reduce the effects of lobbying in the House because you spread the influence out significantly. Lobbying becomes much more expensive. (This one would need to be tied to #1 especially to have a beneficial effect on the Senate.) For similar reasons, (barring #7 above) "interference" by outside PAC's and big-money donors in House races would be severely blunted. Again, lots of positives here.
What it would be is a Convention of States, called by law by Congress at the lawful demand of the required quorum of states to establish and discuss - and possibly act on - one single matter considered for resolution to repair a problem at the national level.
Each state legislature would appoint one voting delegate to place his/her vote on any matter. Most state legislatures are conservative.
Imagine the hope for our nation if it were resolved that welfare is solely for the states' individual authorities and unconstitutional at the national level. This would more than any other issue decapitate the dream of American socialism.
Shouldn't it also be to limit the power of the executive branch. Congress has unofficially abdicated the power to declare war to the Executive Branch. I would like the Executive Branch limited.
Our task is to defend the principle of individual sovereignty and reason on which it depends. Then it will work perfectly.
Could all that change?...maybe, but the states that have entered so far are unlikely to change that agenda making it difficult for other states to stick their mentally impaired fingers into the works.
We have yet to see a leftest state join the convention yet as far as I know. My state, CT., is probably the dumbest among them and rejected it...needless to say, we have a Lot of stupid lefties in our kakistocracy.
Am I being too optimistic?...Probably.
would not happen. From what he said, I gather that
he means that it would mean passage of certain
Amendments that would then be submitted to the States for their approval. But I think that it is probably not worth the risk.
The Declaration of Independence says in relevant part, "Whenever any government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it." Therefore a COS would be plenipotentiary, and no instruction could possibly limit it.
Patrick Henry "smelt a rat" and did not attend the original Constitutional Convention. I smell the same rat.
No institution can survive a second exposure to the process that created it.
I repeat: no institution can survive a second exposure to the process that created it. It's like throwing a coin into a vat of the metal out of which someone originally made the coin.
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Score: 1 for America, 0 for agenda 2030...(changed from agenda 21)
If it should ever came to this, discourse would turn into a struggle among groups. People who live in separate places minding their own business could be turned against one anther for political gain. Politicians could promise urbanites policies to make rural people uncomfortable, and then the rural gas station owner who previous liked those people and their imports that need high-test suddenly wants to see the city people feeling uncomfortable for a change. Gov't would have the power to do it too. People could go to town making their neighbors uncomfortable, but not the gov't. They need the jobs from the military base, their kids' free college, someone to pay for their medical expenses, the childhood nutrition programs, the gov't paying for their mom's nursing care (how dare they try to "take" her wealth to pay for it!!), all the jobs that come with having so much of the population in prison or on probation of some sort, all the SBIR grants (mostly for war). So they'd steer clear of all that and just stick to calling their neighbors names.
This nightmare scenario could happen in the case of a run-away convention.[/Sarcasm]
People keep pointing out that most people voted for Clinton in the last presidential election. I voted for her and went to her findraisers. I hold her in high regard. On the night I met my wife I invited her to a non-partisan event where Hilary Clinton was giving the keynote. The majority voted for Hilary, but hopefully most of us don't want tyranny of the majority.
again...I did not mark you down.
I learned this fairy tale that the Constitution would make people follow it, preventing the majority from acting like a mob. How is this possible? I still remember the grade-school answer: The founders set up separate branches with checks and balances. So according to this fairy tale, it doesn't depend on people being virtuous. The whole thing is set up to deal with human frailty. So I find it so empty to say the whole system would work if weren't for some villains. Those villains existed 300 years ago.
With the gov't so heavily involved in something like a third of the economy, I have a somewhat "desperate" view that expanding gov't is a looming problem that will destroy the country or at best have it plod along, managing the problems as they come. I absolutely do not want a revolution or major crisis. There's no guarantee they'll reduce gov't. There's no guarantee a Convention would solve it either. But what we have is not working, and I'm a little desperate, willing to accept semi-radical action to avoid a worse crisis many decades later.
ewv and other say what I learned about the Constitution is a fairy tale. The system depends on citizens with a philosophy of a democratic Republic with limited powers. Maybe that's true. But if there's some way people can set up institutions that give "teeth" to the Constitution, I'm willing to take some risk for that.
If success depends on those of who voted for Hilary Clinton not being the majority, then we're doomed because we are the majority. I really, really hope there's an even larger majority that detests the majority acting like a mob.
No one said, not even our forefathers, that the constitution would "Make" people follow it.
Surprise!...That job was up to US!!! making sure that our representation Would Follow it and if they didn't?...can you say RECALL!!!
Face it...WE failed epicly. Oh...and we were never meant to be a demoncrapic republic. We were to be a Federal Republic...but we just couldn't keep it. There is Nothing wrong with the constitution, it's the best compromise to date concerning governments and the creatures that would be attracted to it.
Maybe you could conjure up an AI, Circuit, that would ZAP the humanoids that sneak in under our radar, thereby keeping them in line.
Maybe we should adopt a new amendment charging those that don't follow the constitution with Hanging till dead on the White House Lawn?
PS...that's what Morals are for, that's what the 10 suggestions were about, and don't give me that crap about mankind is inherently corrupt and will be tempted by "Power". Maybe Non-Conscious parasitical Humanoids but Not "Conscious Human Beings" and we are the majority here in America...but a minority in the whole world combined.
Now maybe you might appreciate that mankind has survived this long under those odds.
That's my observation and I am sticking to it.
As I said, I'm approaching it from a bit of "desperation". I see our not following it as a looming problem that we can plod along with but will eventually become a worse problem. Desperation is not a good starting point.
The system built by humanoids has become "Too big to curtail".