Ancient tree exposes cause of hike in Arctic temperature

Posted by  $  nickursis 1 week ago to Science
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Gee and not a word about "man made global warming" or even "Human CO2 generation"..can it be believed?
SOURCE URL: https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2017/09/12/Ancient-tree-exposes-cause-of-hike-in-Arctic-temperature/8961505223630/


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  • Posted by  $  Dobrien 5 days, 11 hours ago
    Dansgaard Ooescher effect In the Northern Hemisphere, they take the form of rapid warming episodes, typically in a matter of decades, each followed by gradual cooling over a longer period. For example, about 11,500 years ago, averaged annual temperatures on the Greenland ice sheet warmed by around 8 °C over 40 years, in three steps of five years (see,[3] Stewart, chapter 13), where a 5 °C change over 30–40 years is more common.

    All recorded prior to the internal combustion engine.
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  • Posted by Lucky 1 week ago
    The name professor Chris Turney, UNSW scientist is mentioned in the article.

    "Our study shows just how important Antarctica's ice is to the climate of the rest of the world and reveals how rapid
    melting of the ice here can affect us all. This is something we need to be acutely aware of in a warming world" Turney said.

    This is none other than Turney of the Antarctic mentioned in this site, with suitable derision.
    In Dec2013, after leading a clack of freeloaders to observe the lack of ice in the Antarctic the
    ship was trapped by ice, they had to be rescued by icebreakers.
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    • Posted by  $  6 days, 7 hours ago
      well, while he is probably skewed ( all science data should come with the disclosure of who paid for it) I still found it weird no mention of the evil man made catastrophe was found. This seemed like a good vehicle for it.
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      • Posted by Lucky 6 days, 2 hours ago
        I thought the quote of his was sufficient mention ..
        climate, warming - the keys words needed for government funding.

        Anyway- you raise a good point- what should be the disclosure requirements for a scientific paper?
        Who paid- desirable but not essential, however, if it was public money that must be disclosed.
        Then, all data and methods must be available, no hiding behind so-called confidentiality.
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        • Posted by  $  5 days, 14 hours ago
          Exactly, I saw an article where the Weather Channel founder jumped ugly with CNN over this issue and clearly stated that GW was NOT a conclusive, scientifically proven fact, but was a government funded scam where the "97%" were all funded by government and had to produce the required conclusions. Dobrien is on a better line with his solar minimum and maximum theory being a probable cause for GW than CO2. As far as Hurricanes, when everyone who knows nothing, freaks out, they need to look at the history and there are much, much worse storms going back to 1600, the Spanish lost a bunch of gold carrying ships in one in the early 1600s near Cuba and Florida. No CO2 then....
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          • Posted by  $  Dobrien 5 days, 11 hours ago
            Thanks Nick and I will give a nod to Old ugly Carl for the Grand Solar minimum and EU theory..
            First we must define climate: Climate is the statistics of weather over long periods of time. It is measured by assessing the patterns of variation in temperature, humidity, atmospheric pressure, wind, precipitation, atmospheric particle count and other meteorological variables in a given region over long periods of time.

            Hurricane season 2017 as bad as the damage is it is all a small piece of data in a climate.
            If it surprises folks that hurricanes are part of Texas and Florida weather late summer they are idiots. climate change would mean no hurricanes for those places and good luck with that.
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  • Posted by  $  blarman 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
    I was loving the article until the very last quote where he undermines his own credibility:

    "Our study shows just how important Antarctica's ice is to the climate of the rest of the world and reveals how rapid melting of the ice here can affect us all. This is something we need to be acutely aware of in a warming world," Turney said." (emphasis added)

    Dude - you just got done looking at evidence that completely undermines AGW and yet you want to add on a "yeah, but" at the end? And you're a scientist?
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