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Hillarious Humor...Hillary Klingon in new Star Trek Discovery Series

Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 2 months, 1 week ago to Humor
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They even got this wrong...or did they?

"An executive producer for the forthcoming CBS All-Access drama “Star Trek: Discovery” claims patriotic Trump supporters inspired their version of the evil Klingons."

These creatures are besmirching our beloved Star Trek!
SOURCE URL: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2017/09/09/new-star-trek-remake-models-klingon-villains-trump-supporters-racial-purity-theme-534402


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  • Posted by freedomforall 2 months, 1 week ago
    ST on tv has been preaching statist anti-freedom rubbish since the 80's (with the exception of parts of Enterprise.) This is just more blatantly biased. Next it will be revealed that Klingons descended from George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.
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    • Posted by  $  2 months, 1 week ago
      Never saw it that way and never effected me that way either...we just liked the outer space stuff...much improved from the 50's SiFi.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 2 months, 1 week ago
        I loved it, too, OUC. In the early 90's it became clear to me that almost everything broadcast was liberal/state biased. STNG, although entertaining, had not struck the joyous chord with me that STOS, Star Wars (original trilogy), and Heinlein's books did. Eventually I realized that part of it was the anti-individual liberty bias and, to a lesser extent when compared to Heinlein, STNG's mediocre writing. I recognize what a task it is to create 20+ good episodes a season, and I am very tolerant of the budget episodes that are a part of every long running series. But the statist bias is unforgivable by a so called American production. DS9 and Voyager were even worse. I also wish that the Sigh-figh channel had kept its original name, but as is often the case, IP lawyers got their way.
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        • Posted by  $  CBJ 2 months, 1 week ago
          Could you show me some examples of "statist bias" on Deep Space Nine? I went through the entire series twice and didn't detect any overt collectivist bias, just the vague 1960's liberalism that reflected Gene Rodenberry's influence on the original series and those that came later.
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          • Posted by DrZarkov99 2 months, 1 week ago
            DS9 was affected by the Ferengi influence. Quark was originally supposed to be a more sinister unpleasant capitalist, but quickly became a fan favorite. The statist slant was supposed to come from criticism of Ferengi capitalism, but failed. They did manage to get in a plug for feminism, via Quark's mother.
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          • Posted by  $  Susanne 2 months, 1 week ago
            Sisko. He wasn't one to go along with the "Federation Program" and was sent to a captured hub in the middle of f***ing nowhere to serve out his career. I still remember the first episode where he was pretty disgruntled... and as he embraced the "point four program" of the Federation, he became more happy and enlightened.

            Odo, who could only seek theoretical happiness when returned to the planet in which his fellow shifters lived in their planetary sea of... yeah.

            Speaking of Ferengi - Nog (Quark's nephew) became "civilized and acceptable" once he went from his proper Ferengi upbringing as a capitalist "criminal"... to a good Star Fleet Cadet, discarding the evil capitalist ways of his people.

            Bah. Just remember... Resistance is Futile.
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            • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 months, 1 week ago
              "I still remember the first episode where he was pretty disgruntled... and as he embraced the "point four program" of the Federation, "
              He cannot come to terms with the loss of his wife, and he ends up finding peace in the Bajoran religion, which his superiors in Star Fleet either ignore or are concerned might affect is loyalty. Contrary to seeking to line up Federation aid to make Bajor a client state, he at one point urges their gov't to sever ties with the UFP to prevent their being invaded again. The show present Bajor and Sisko as religious and the UFP is atheist, and it does a good job of staying out of the issue. In the first season it presents some religious people as violent extremists, but it presents atheists and non-extremists religious people working together.
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            • Posted by Jujucat 2 months ago
              I was always confused by the Borg being the enemies! I think if you followed the show's inner most principles, you would end up a Borg! (It's been a long time since I've watched that show, so give me some slack if I'm mistaken...)
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  • Posted by Riftsrunner 2 months, 1 week ago
    I would assume that these new Klingons are a new form of life in the Abrams Star Trek universe. How do you make an aggressive warmongerlike race into isolationists? Just seem antithetical to the character of the Klingons.

    This is just the latest about this new iteration of stories about this seemingly doomed show. Apparently, they have made some cast changes because it was going to be a white male captain with a black female first officer. Well, this dynamic stuck the wrong way with the SJW's because it was too much like the duel slavery they complain about: black oppression and misogyny. Can't have a white male have control over an oppressed victim class, let alone two.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 2 months, 1 week ago
    Thankfully, we will have "The Orville" to watch instead. Early reviewers gauge it as sort of like "Galaxy Quest," so hopefully the humor won't be too over the top. I don't know if I'm the only one to remember an earlier TV series to treat space travel as comedy, "Quark," which was about a space garbage collector.
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    • Posted by  $  allosaur 2 months, 1 week ago
      Last night me dino channeled surfed away from the hurricane and caught the last 15 or so minutes of "The Orville," which I did not know exited.
      Saw a large hostile alien spacecraft get booby-trap destroyed by some kinda time warping quickie grow redwood tree.
      I'll be checking the whole thing out next Sunday.
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  • Posted by  $  blarman 2 months, 1 week ago
    The best analogy for the Klingons isn't even Communism, because the Klingon system of honor and merit clash with Communism. IMHO, the Vikings or the Spartans are a pretty accurate match - both installing a militaristic leadership style with pagan mythology and emphasis on conquest. The Romulans are a much better example of communism to me, along with even the Cardassians. The Ferengi are taken to the absurd with their mercantilism and lack of loyalty.

    Scratch that: I've got it. The Dominion. There is no better example in Star Trek of communism than the Dominion. They live communally, they have a god-complex second to none, they enslave other races and indoctrinate them to do their bidding whether war or peace, and they enforce their views on everyone else brooking no contention. Yup. I think we have a winner here.
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  • Posted by  $  blarman 2 months, 1 week ago
    She certainly reminds one of the twin sisters Lursa and B'Tor who tried to overthrow the Klingon government and install a proxy. They even instigated a civil war. Hillary Clinton is certainly as repulsive as they are, but though I think she's more evil, I don't think she'd fare well with a batleth...
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  • Posted by mccannon01 2 months, 1 week ago
    IMHO, the mainstream and vast majority Trump supporter is neither an isolationist nor a racial purity supporter. They mainly want smaller and fiscally responsible government. They also have respect for the nations sovereignty, rule of sensible law, and its most positive ideals. The left, especially Hollyweird, and other swamp critters totally miss these simple points.

    I liked all the ST series except Voyager because it was dripping with so much left wing PC propaganda I couldn't get past the third episode and stopped watching. Never went back or watched reruns so I don't know if it got any better. Based on this it looks like "Discovery" will be the same.
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 months, 1 week ago
      " except Voyager because it was dripping with so much left wing PC propaganda "
      I am really into Star Trek, and I never noticed politics in Voyager. TNG and DS9 did it a few times, although thankfully not always with the same viewpoint. Maybe I'll revisit Voyager. I'm struggling to think of politics in the show. Some of the Chakotay episodes maybe, but I think i see them as just bad episodes going over-the-top with Native American stereotypes.
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      • Posted by  $  Susanne 2 months, 1 week ago
        What I found interesting way back when was the parallel someone (likely unknowingly) stuffed into that - Chakotay belonged to a group known as the Maquis... which were supposed to be a rebel band fighting the benevolent and good Federation... however, in real life, the Maquis were French Guerilla Fighters in WW2... meaning the Federation (who the Maquis were fighting) would be the equivalent of the Vichy government... And we all know who they were part of...

        Add to this - his distinctive facial tattoo - was (to me) grabbing at another group - the Maori - who fought fiercely against yet another overarching and conquering empire - this time, the British.

        With that one character, I realized that either the writers were saying the "good federation" was really a bloodsucking leech of a dictatorial empire... or the writers never put 15 seconds of research (about things I remembered from my Sophomore World History class) into the real message they were (perhaps unwittingly) espousing.

        Regardless - the way they ended Voyager, bringing in deliberate time manipulation, was, to me, a cheap and schlocky device because no one had a clue how to do a decent ending... or would put in the work to craft one. Kate Mulgrew - the Buns of Steel - ended up in the right place much, much later in her career (playing opposite Taylor Schilling) for being part of this "crime against good scriptwriting"...
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        • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 months, 1 week ago
          "Chakotay belonged to a group known as the Maquis"
          Clearly in DS9, the major powers are presented as bloated empire. I liked the way DS9 handled this. The UFP was not always right or the Maquis always wrong. I wish they had continued that in Voyager, with some conflict in which the Maquis have good points. Captain Janeway could have recognized these points and acquiesced but been afraid her authority was being undermined if she looked like she was giving in too much, even when the Maquis were right.

          For whatever reason I never felt the sense of being stranded far from home on a ship with rebels. When I watch the reimagined BSG, I can accept they're a group of humans on the same side who don't agree on everything stranded in hostile territory. I never felt that with Voyager.
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      • Posted by mccannon01 2 months, 1 week ago
        Hi, CG. I was away on a business trip when Voyager first aired and I had a friend record the first episodes so I wouldn't miss anything while I was away, which gave me the opportunity to marathon them in one sitting when I returned. It's been a long time so some of the details escape me but the impression I received is still with me. The symbolism of the obviously forced crew "diversity" and the "environmental disaster" of the planet caused by an alien finally represented as a white guy farmer, so obviously meant to be a depiction of a Hollyweird liberal's idea of a conservative Republican, was eye rolling BS. The whole thing was meant to be a litany of indictment and slaps in the face on Western Civilization and how evil it all is. My Bullshirt meter was pegged on full and smoking and left me with no desire whatsoever to see any more. When I returned the tapes (yes, VHS in those days) to my friend he asked what I thought. I gave him my honest opinion and he just laughed and agreed and said he can now use the tape for something more useful.
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        • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 months, 1 week ago
          "The symbolism of the obviously forced crew "diversity""
          I never saw that at all. When you say "diversity" in the 90s political context, I think of working with people who look different or have radically different life experiences. The Maquis were a militant separatist group. I hope the writers weren't saying this is an allegory for having co-workers who are black or gay.

          "the "environmental disaster" of the planet caused by an alien finally represented as a white guy farmer, so obviously meant to be a depiction of a Hollyweird liberal's idea of a conservative Republican,"
          What? I'll have to watch it again. I remember it being completely different. There were two aliens who had the power to move ships long distances, a male and female. They made some mistake that hurt the Ocampa. They felt obligated to support the Ocampa for life. The Ocampa became weak as a result. The female alien left. The male alien was dying of old age and was trying to find a way to keep his ship from falling into Kazon hands and to save the Ocampa who had become completely unable to support themselves. This show came out just after the Republicans took over Congress with their Contract with America. One of the key Republican messages at the time was scaling back Welfare programs, which they said created dependence and a cycle of being victims, just as in the show. In this context, the show has a Republican message. I don't have any reason to think they were responding to politics. I think the show had nothing to do with politics.
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          • Posted by mccannon01 2 months, 1 week ago
            Hi CG, I didn't address the second part of your response - valid thought, but I didn't see it that way. I'm multitasking right now and have to go so here's the quick response: I see the narrative as the evil white guy wrecked the environment, but had some kind of epiphany and had to atone by creating a "refuge" or "zoo" for the surviving species on the planet. The shows question becomes what happens to the zoo when the evil white guy dies off? Not a republican message at all.

            Have to run...
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            • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 months, 1 week ago
              "creating a "refuge" or "zoo" for the surviving species on the planet. The shows question becomes what happens to the zoo when the evil white guy dies off? Not a republican message at all."
              I know very few Republicans, but this sounds like the Republicans before their deplorables came out of the shadows: Out-of-touch experts want to help people based on past crimes. They accidentally create a "zoo" dehumanizing and robbing the dignity of the very people they want to help. The result is the people cannot provide for themselves or protect themselves. Fortunately, Janeway's ship is well-armed. She destroys the Caretaker's facility and fights off the Kazon.
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              • Posted by mccannon01 2 months, 1 week ago
                "Out-of-touch experts want to help people based on past crimes..." Sounds more like Democrats, to me. :-)

                Oh, I did not down vote your post. I would never down vote anyone having a civil discussion expressing their views and I appreciate your views and the time you take to express them. You have a much more detailed memory of the series than I do because mainly what I recall is it was a crappy show with a crappy PC message that only used the "Star Trek" moniker to get people to watch it.
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                • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 months, 1 week ago
                  "Sounds more like Democrats, to me. :-)"
                  I know. I wasn't clear on that. I meant this sounds like something Republicans would say about Democrats. The show didn't portray the aid from the Caretaker as fixing the Ocampa's problems, and they all lived happily ever after. It showed them becoming dependent on the Caretaker for their basic needs and also unable to defend themselves.
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 months, 1 week ago
                "this sounds like the Republicans"
                I meant it sounds like a Republican message. As it is it reads like I'm saying Republicans create dependency, which is not what I meant.
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          • Posted by mccannon01 2 months, 1 week ago
            By the '90s "diversity" meant anyone except a white male and still does to this day. My impression is the only reason a white guy was part of the main cast (crew?) on Voyager is because the writers could announce to the viewers he was a criminal, which was an acceptable way to put him on the show. I'm clueless as to what became of him after the second episode as I didn't watch the series after that.

            Ha, it would be interesting if you and I could kick back and watch the first episodes together and offer our comments. I wonder if you'd bonk me on the bean with my bottle of Guinness within the first half hour. LOL!
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            • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 months, 1 week ago
              " Voyager is because the writers could announce to the viewers he was a criminal, which was an acceptable way to put him on the show. "
              I heard he was supposed to be Wesley's flight squad commander, Locarno, in The First Duty who lied to cover up the death of a student doing a daredevil maneuver. They made it a different character to avoid paying royalties or something. In The First Duty, Locarno takes full responsibility for the accident, when he could have tried to pass the buck. So he comes off a good person who made a mistake. Paris said he went to jail for not telling the truth, so I think of them as the same character.

              Later in the show Paris really becomes a character who's good at everything: flying the ship, engineering, part-time medic. At least once I can remember them exploiting the trope where the white male is ignorant of prejudice, but the time I'm thinking of actually worked for me. It was funny, not a public service msg.

              I wonder what they were trying to say with Harry Kim, who never progresses in rank and often is the butt of plots where he's the new, inexperienced, uncouth guy. Janeway seems overbearing and autocratic. Tuvok is annoyingly arrogant. I don't think they were making comments about Asians, women, or African Americas with these characters.

              They do go overboard with the Chakotay Native American thing. He's kind of a mix of many tribes and stupid stereotypes. They play that Native music, and his mumbo-jumbo turns out to be right.

              All in all, though, the show is just not that good. You might watch Threshold to see it dip into so-bad-it's-good territory.

              "I wonder if you'd bonk me on the bean with my bottle of Guinness within the first half hour. "
              No, I like nit-picking and disagreeing about Star Trek. The only way I had g/fs in high school was I went to a school for nerds.
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              • Posted by  $  CBJ 2 months, 1 week ago
                Re: "I heard he was supposed to be Wesley's flight squad commander, Locarno, in The First Duty who lied to cover up the death of a student doing a daredevil maneuver. They made it a different character to avoid paying royalties or something."

                I heard different, that when they were casting Voyager they were looking for a Robert Duncan McNeill type and couldn't find a satisfactory one. They finally decided to use McNeill himself even though he had played a different character on Next Generation. Royalties wouldn't enter into the picture, he would be entitled to the same royalties for reruns regardless of which character he played.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 months, 1 week ago
    Based on my experience reading these interviews and comments prior to the last four series, I suspect the show the Klingons will not be modeled after modern-day politicians.

    I hope they portray the Klingons as an honor culture, like samurai, medieval European knights, or cowboys in the wild West. It's okay if they're isolationist and ethnocentric. They should just go with something creative and not worry about the easily offended.
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    • Posted by jdg 2 months, 1 week ago
      The original Star Trek didn't seem to do much with the idea of Klingons (that is, they looked human, and their aggressive foreign policy could be compared to cultures all over Earth past and present). But in TNG and later, I felt they had to be based on an east Asian culture, most likely Mongolia before Genghis Khan. (In later seasons of TNG they become more civilized and adopt the idea of honor, much as Mongolia did after him.)
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    • Posted by  $  2 months, 1 week ago
      True enough...seems those unaware, those with no mind and a dysfunctional brain may have put their own misguided spin on it.

      But it is gut busting humorous for those of us that are aware and have a mind,
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