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PSA: no matter what, Equifax may tell you you've been impacted by the hack

Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 8 months ago to Government
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I am now believing these guys are not producers, but looters in disguise. They manufactured a system over time that has business addicted to their "credit scores" that profess to be accurate representations of your "trustworthiness" (if so why does someone who pays all their bills on time, never having a bad mark, rate a score of "675", and thus get 18% interest offered to them, because of that score? One would think paying your bills is the one thing a lender needs to know...) Thats same system professed a need for every bit of data you ever had to identify yourself, then they allow their most valuable material to be stolen en masse, and their top 3 executives dump al their stock days before the announcement? Toa dd insult to injury, if you check your "status" it appears dead people, Dumbocrap voters, Russian citizens, and Mickey Mouse, all had their data stolen, so sign up for our free credit monitoring (by a company they, the people who caused the issue, own). The weadd the fact you just unknowingly signed away your right to sue, by agreeing through their use clause, to arbitration only. These guys have got looting tuned to a fine science and make a great companion to the Federal Government....


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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thats the scam, no one did. They just started doing it in the 60's. This is what happens when a bunch of "professors" produce some algortithim they say accurately reflects a persons trustworthiness. Now they try to make more money selling all your data in various ways, along with Google, MS and major websites. I got turned down by Farmers Insurance for Home and Auto because of it, yet I have nothing wrong or negative, and they use that as proof you are "a risk". Employers screen people with it now as well. And just try to get an error corrected!
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 7 years, 7 months ago
    This is one of the reasons I don't have any credit cards and have no intention of getting one. If I can't afford if I don't buy it.
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  • Posted by GaryL 7 years, 7 months ago
    Consumers have no choice in either of these 3 credit reporting industries. I say they are all a scam. We use a CC exclusively all month every month and pay the bill in full every month often between 3-5 thousand dollars and have never paid a dime in interest. We bought over $80 K in new cars last year for cash with zero payments and when I checked my credit score I rated 725. Pure BS! We owe no one any debts at all and 725 is the best they can rate us at.
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  • Posted by ycandrea 7 years, 7 months ago
    I always wondered who gave these companies permission to farm my personal information in the first place?
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 7 years, 7 months ago
    The real issue of the hack was it happened 3 months ago. Whatever damage was done was done long before we were allowed to know.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 7 months ago
    I have an inexpensive way to determine a person's trustworthiness (not 100%, but neither is the FICO score)- Determine if they voted for Hillary. If they did, avoid them.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Indeed, when they started to unravel all the little tricks, it shows equifax is a pretty evil corporation, which I guess is what grows in the garden of greed and blackmail. They use peoples information to build a monopoly on everyone's "credit" by building a monopoly on information. That has led to a typical arrogant attitude of "so what" and irresponsible performance. If I could find a way to deal without them, I would, it's just you don't get to "opt out" of the credit system.
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  • Posted by ewv 7 years, 7 months ago
    The New York Attorney General required that Equifax remove from its Terms of Service the provision that you can't sue Equifax if you use their search to find out if your personal information is claimed to have been made public or to enroll in the "free monitoring" for a year. Both were reported as triggering the 'no sue' provision, but the problem is more extensive than that.

    I first looked at their page advertised as telling you if you are affected and found that it required signing up for the "free" monitoring. A few days later at the page for searching the 'dark web' I found links to three long documents on 'privacy policy', 'terms of use' and 'ad tracking', all of which allows them to track you and sell information even if you only look at their web site.

    Why would anyone sign up for "free" monitoring when everything they do tracks and sells information about you, the product? Being monitored for "free" is being promoted as a benefit. Everyone run like lemmings to be monitored for "free" on top of what they are already doing. The same company that engages in surveillance is now offering more for free and we're supposed to believe it's something different and we're not the product this time -- "never let a good crises go to waste".

    It took them six weeks to publicly admit that private information on over a hundred million people had been exposed, so you didn't even know to watch out for it -- while their top "executives" were selling off stock in advance. We didn't sign up for their "service" or provide them with information, yet they collected it on their own and then exposed it, and don't want to be accountable for it. Now they exploit it to herd the product -- us -- into more surveillance advertised as "free".

    The Equifax web site now assures that it "won't happen again" because they have contracted with security experts. Don't they know about barn doors and horses? Do they think that we don't? Why didn't they concern themselves with the security before it happened instead of after?

    It seems that they have no concern over exposing data on people at all as long it is they who are doing the exposing by selling it and not hackers who don't pay them for it.

    What kind of James Taggart/Orren Boyle cronies go into this line of "work"? "Executives" with no thought of production but who happened to get into the line of "managing" other people for high salaries, stock, and a plush office? The guy who tried to sell the Brooklyn Bridge had nothing on these clowns. "Get your free 30 lashes here! Free lashing and beatings! Line up here while it's still free!"



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  • Posted by ewv 7 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are the product, not the customer. Likewise for Facebook and a lot more.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 7 months ago
    "if so why does someone who pays all their bills on time, never having a bad mark,"
    [Sarcasm]The best thing to do is get a credit card, pay it down over 12-18 months. Along the way get a car loan. Keep a mortgage the whole time. If you are making a big purchase, borrow the money for it and pay it off. Keep your total debt-servicing payments near 48% of your income and your mortgage payment close to but under 33% of your income. [/Sarcasm]
    The sarcastic response is actually true. Using their product will indeed make them like you. BTW, having me design circuit boards for you on a regular basis will raise your "score" with me. What a joke.

    I submit the 675 score does not hurt you. It's most important if you're trying to get a poorly collateralized loan. Whether you pay 18% or 10% for a loan with no collateral, it's a bad deal for you anyway. If you're buying a home with 20% down or a commercial property with 40% down, you will get the same rate as someone with a high score. Even if the loan is not collateralized, if the party you're doing business with has a brain and digs in beyond the three-digit score and sees you always pay as agreed, it doesn't matter.

    The arbitration clause doesn't matter much, either, because I wouldn't waste my time suing them. Just don't do business with them (unless it's a free benefit). They consider the banking industry their customers. The people they keep track of they call consumers.

    As you say, it's pretty close to looting in disguise.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "I am going for a real time 24/7 monitor,"
    My perception is Intel gives top pay and benefits so they can get the best people. It's great they provide it for free. I purposely ignore the bureaus because I think they've worked out what borders on a scam: "We'll provide free literature to kids about responsible money management. That begins with our opinion of you. You can pay us to find out our opinion of you. We can't tell you the proprietary formula on how to improve our opinion, but it involves your purchasing banking products as much as possible."

    I don't have a problem with their products, debt and deposit accounts. I don't have a problem with their keeping a record of consumers' reputations. My problem is they sell to kids and unsophisticated adults the idea that using banking products and keeping tabs on their opinion is just part of being a responsible person.

    I wouldn't want my reputation tarnished by an inaccurate report that I failed to pay someone as agreed, but I don't care that much unless the opinion comes from a court that can issue a judgment. I am not seeking to borrow money or enter deals with people who see the credit bureaus' records as completely reliable.

    I give references in my industry from time to time. I don't promote the idea that any responsible person should give my company at least some business to companies affiliated with me and should monitor my opinion at all times.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not a bad stock, considering the incompetence of the IT world to actually put up secure barriers, and endless supply of customers and probably 10 million new ones soon, just with this and that is only about 8%.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 7 years, 8 months ago
    A wonderful advertisement for LifeLock. My stock in them continues to go up nicely.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well I did, but I am going for a real time 24/7 monitor, my company, Intel, already provides us freed monitoring through another company (after Blue Cross was hacked and our family info was stolen a couple years ago), but they seem very slow to respond (7 days sometimes). So, I am looking into them.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 8 months ago
    I couldn't replicate this with some random names and numbers. I thought about entering my actual info and decided against it.
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