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San Francisco proposes a tax on robots

Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago to Government
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Kommunist Kalifornia, where the State will rule and ensure you comply. 15.00 an hour minimum wage? Get a robot. Get a robot, pay a tax (probably equivalent to 16.00 and hour just to make sure you hire a person.Leave the state and drive it bankrupt. Idiots.


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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is why the education system would need to adapt and provide low cost, comprehensive education, and testing for aptitude. The military does a good aptitude test that tells you what skills you are most suited to learn. However, being that the educational system was hijacked by social engineers, I am sure they will just teach them better ways to protest.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 6 months ago
    But but but, Dob...where will they get the funds for universal income?...you universal income denier!

    laughing my butt off.
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  • Posted by TomInCo 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If I make something and I sell it to someone who can use it AND someone comes to my door and demands money to allow me to continue, that's extortion.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'll second that, term2. I had two separate job contracts in Oakland lasting about one month each. I have no desire to ever return even as a tourist.
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  • Posted by $ pixelate 8 years, 6 months ago
    Idiots indeed. Only individuals can pay taxes.

    I need to amend that ... It is only from individuals that taxes can be taken.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If you want to see courtesy, be handicapped. As I stagger along with my cane in one hand and a coffee to go in the other people hold the door for me every time.I always make it a point to look them in the eye and say a polite, "thank you."
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 6 months ago
    If the state makes the enterprise unprofitable, the enterprise goes away. No investor works for nothing any more than any worker does.
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  • Posted by NealS 8 years, 6 months ago
    Kalifornians need to all start taking advantage of all the benefits of their desired type of governmental rule. That's the only way to prove whether or not it will work. Kalifornians need to experience what's it's like in Venezuela these days. It's the only way they will ever understand. Hopefully enough of those that don't believe in the New Kalifornia will be able to get out fast enough to actually give the rest the opportunity to succeed in establishing what they think they want.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I found Asimov's Bicentennial Man (later made into a movie starring Robin Williams) to be an interesting examination of machine to near human evolution.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Writers of teleplays and novels have already treated those concepts. One episode each of the two Outer Limits television series, featured a robot brought to trial in a human court, charged with murder in the death of his creator. The Star Trek franchise has dealt repeatedly with the rights that attach to a self-aware automaton, or even a self-aware program generating a holographic avatar.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Having had my fun with my silly scenario, it took me about two seconds to conclude that your scenario is far more likely.
    Why should a dino be defensively uptight when right is might? Oorah!
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We may have to create new terminology. As you point out, robot means slave, and android means an artificial biological entity. A self-aware electromechanical being is a unique concept worthy of a special designation. Any ideas?

    Of course the civil rights lawyers will love to tackle this issue. It will be an emancipation question of how do we decide when an artificial being should be granted equal status to a human. Will a human who terminates such a being be charged with homicide?
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The reality is that no coup may be necessary, with the CA population "evolving" to majority non-caucasian/non-legal. The democratic process may just lead to the legislative body and left wing governor (Brown or an equally left wing successor) enthusiastically joining Mexico. The rest of us better be prepared for the wave of refugees.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A very pallative, comforting statement, but computers, software development, and artificial intelligence are driving the technology development much faster than prior industrialization processes. The functions of adapting and job creation take time, so it may indicate a lag in the process due to limitations in human abilities.

    The new technologies present a system that can eventually maintain itself and evolve automatically as the need arises. This is a first in human development, and the very real question will be whether classic human adaptive and creative skills will be able to keep up.
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    They tried male phone operators early on, and they were invariably insufficiently polite to the customers. Women did the job far better.

    Today's woman might not be quite up to the task. Several years ago I held a door open for someone, and she scornfully said, "I can do that for myself!"

    To this day, though, the Southern Lady who is well brought up says, "Well, bless your soul!" where you and I would say, "You ghodddamm iddjjitt!"
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This reminds me of the laws that were passed in Atlas Shrugged saying you couldnt fire anyone or use fewer people no matter what. Ayn Rand was a true visionary who could see where collectivism has to wind up
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What if they are self aware and become true libertarians and refuse to pay the tax and revolt...
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have to admit they are right in one sense. If people want to continue doing what they are doing and not learn new skills, they WILL be displaced by the robots. One can look no further than Detroit, where old school auto workers refused to accept that offshore workers would work for less (robots work for less too...), and look what happened.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Its a beautiful state which attract a lot of people. They are counting on that to keep tourism and residents there. All these things just raise the cost of goods and services higher in california than other places. They will keep increasing the cost of these things until there is backlash.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The programmers haven't yet realized the distinct possibility that they will eventually be replaceable. Authoring software exists today, and is becoming more skilled. When the computers no longer need humans to upgrade software, that's when it will suddenly become a "crisis."
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  • Posted by TheOldMan 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I recall making international calls (very, very rarely!). Same thing, you called the international operator, gave her (yes it was always a "her" so deal with it!) the country and number, and then you sat around for hours never daring to move away from the telephone. It helped to have several people involved so that you could hit the head or get something to eat.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 6 months ago
    This had to happen in the age of robotics. I dont even want to VISIT california anymore. If it fell off into the sea, I would NOT cry over it.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Me dino with my dangerous mind just thought up this scenario~
    Kalifornia finally secedes from the USA.
    Immigrants (legal or illegal, who in Kal cares?) quickly stage a coup to join Mexico.
    Kalifornia asks the USA to save it from Mexico.
    The POTUS asks, "Who are you?"
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