It is not a rope it is a Brickland current , part of the electric universe.

Posted by  $  Dobrien 2 months, 2 weeks ago to Science
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900,000,000 mile electromagnetic connection observed.
See https://youtu.be/3hHv5iKbRTc for why we have these electromagnetic fields.
SOURCE URL: http://www.ucl.ac.uk/mathematical-physical-sciences/maps-news-publication/saturn-sun-magnetic-rope


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  • Posted by chad 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    Thanks for posting something that made me search other places and learn more about the universe. Besides studying why liberty and the freedom to choose is the morally superior choice it is fun to learn how the universe works, or might work. Sometimes it is a guess that leads to the correct answer.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    I have a scifi novel published in 1979 Called "Siva" by Walt & Leigh Richmond that as part of it's plot an energy system called the "Solar Tap". The basic idea is that the Pyramids across the world accessed the energy of the magnetic rope from the Sun to power this antediluvian world. If there is more research done on such magnetic fields theoretically could deliver endless power to the Earth.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    The Einsteinian universe has always bothered me, primarily because physicists have played second fiddle to mathematicians. For a mathematician, it's comparatively easy to imagine a new construct that provides a theoretical solution to observed discrepancies. The irregular motion of planets supposedly orbiting Earth was explained for hundreds of years by mathematically describing the planets following circular paths as they followed the assumed circular orbit, appearing to advance and recede. It worked mathematically, whether it made any sense physically.

    Similarly, the concept of the universe and its behavior has been made captive of ever more wildly creative mathematical constructs, few of which have been confirmed by experimentation. Mathematicians are famous for throwing in unsubstantiated arbitrary constants to make their formulas work, and the wildest of these have been "dark" matter and energy. This is the biggest abuse of the constant fudge factor, since dark matter is now assumed to make up about 75% of the matter that their equations say has to exist for things to agree with their descriptions.

    Then there are imaginary numbers. Square root of minus one . . . arrrgh!
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    • Posted by ewv 2 months, 2 weeks ago
      You have misunderstood the relation between mathematics and physics and the role of philosophy. Mathematics is a science of method and is indispensable to physical explanation involving quantity. Both mathematics and physics required objectivity. Objectivity, not "throwing in the arbitrary", makes both work.

      Pseudoscience has in contrast a long history of rationalization, often exploiting mathematical formalism which is misinterpreted as science. A lot of modern "theoretical" cosmology falls into that category but it has been common at least since Descartes and was rampant even during the 19th century alongside of and intermingled with the development of physics.

      There is nothing arbitrary or improper about the methods of 'complex' numbers including the 'imaginary' 'square root of -1'. Complex numbers are quantity qualified by an angle, obeying the same algebraic rules of 'real' numbers, with multiplication generalized to multiplication supplemented with addition of the angles. It is simply a more complex method of dealing with more than one numerical measurement at a time in certain circumstances, which in turn provides powerful mathematical methods that would be impossibly complicated without it. Square root of -1 = i is unity at the angle 90 deg; it's square is 1x1 at the angle 90 + 90 = 180, i.e., -1. There isn't anything arbitrary about it, it is a specialized use of numbers just like fractions are a specialized used of integers qualified by explicitly specified different units (in the denominators) as subdivisions of the base unit. The methods of complex numbers were established technically long before they was justified as to why they worked; but the long history of confusion about the subject has been philosophical, not mathematical.
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    • Posted by lrshultis 2 months, 2 weeks ago
      You have a very poor understanding of math and science and the relationship that they have for each other. Seems like you want to just have natural philosophy's a-priori explain everything. Mathematicians and scientists do not arbitrarily throw in constants. Many areas of science require the solutions of differential equations whose solutions require arbitrary constants since the equations have indefinite numbers of solutions. For physical cases one needs some evidential data to determine the values of the constants for a particular case being described. They are reality based to the degree that the data was true. or not. The trouble comes when one guesses at boundary conditions where the constants then become somewhat arbitrarily constrained as done by some climate scientists. E.g., where it is claimed that when boundary conditions are given for the equations used in climate science, then the equations can give exact predictions of climate for a hundred years in the future.
      I read too much of an attempt to discard a mathematical description of science from those on this forum and a philosophical a-priori approach to objective reality. Philosophy describes reality only as a fundamental outline as to how one is to approach knowledge but not any of the details which remain hidden and need great effort to be found.
      I have been on the quest for knowledge about reality for 70 years and have not found any other way toward understanding reality than by hard work in mathematics and studying the works of those who do not so easily discard the hard work of math and physical sciences for easy hand waving discarding those efforts.
      Errors in application do not imply evil for either the discipline nor those who make the mistakes. Knowledge is not easy. If it were easy there would not be the innumeracy and ignorance that abounds today in the general population.
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 2 months, 2 weeks ago
        Actually, I have respect for both real science and mathematics, but extrapolating well beyond the discipline of experiment and real data has risks. Closed thinking and rejection of information that doesn't fit the established theory become more of a religion than science.
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        • Posted by lrshultis 2 months, 2 weeks ago
          I would put it as not rejecting a theory when evidence contradicts it, causes the theory to become a religion. A theory is valid, i.e., a theory, only as long as it correctly describes the known facts about reality. If the theory contradicts any fact of reality, then it has to be discarded or modified.
          Curve fitting cannot, in cases that are not analytic, as they are with most physical theories, predict data that were not fit to the equations, i.e., the solutions or predictions of the theory will tend to diverge from later data.
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          • Posted by ewv 2 months, 2 weeks ago
            The religious mentality is more than maintaining a belief despite contradiction of evidence, it begins with arbitrary decrees of faith and rationalization, all completely contrary to objective thought based on fact, let alone systematic science.
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      • Posted by ewv 2 months, 2 weeks ago
        The arbitrary in rationalistic misuse of mathematics extends far beyond the rationalistic manipulation of boundary conditions and constants of integration -- as turning a 'mathematical model' into curve-fitting by 'adjusting' parameters illustrates. In contrast the 'arbitrary' constants of indefinite integrals and solutions of differential equations are not arbitrary at all; it is a different, technical meaning of the term 'arbitrary', meaning that any constant selected still satisfies the general equation, which is all that known until more information is specified to determine what it must be -- it can take any value but must be some value, with which value not yet determined. It does not mean that mathematics or physics is arbitrary.
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  • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    Dob, did you see this morn's SO news? The OLR on the southern west coast of Mexico drew the electrical intrusions from the flair the other day to produce an 8.1 earthquake, (as predicted on the 6th), and very minor tidal wave of 1-2', while, at the same time, tugging on erma toward the west a bit like we have seen so many times in other parts of the world. And, to beat the band, we had some electrical disturbances, England, Saudi Arabia, Australia, San Diego...not to mention Google had nightmarish problems...good for them for being so blind and stupid!
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  • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    Nice post Dob.
    You know, the other day on SS was discussed alternative explanations of exactly what is at the center of the Milky way and likely the center of every Galaxy and what was suggested was a Carbon Star or body which is why it doesn't reflect light but leaks electrical currents. Might we consider this body an atom at the center of a cell?
    Seems to me that the cosmos or universe is constructed like living matter is or rather, living matter and the human body reflects the construction of the universe in some very interesting ways.
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    • Posted by  $  2 months, 2 weeks ago
      The old saying, as above so below. Watching Wal Thornhill's presentation video the other day from the EU2015 conference https://youtu.be/YkWiBxWieQU
      Made me consider the same thing. The attraction and repulsion as a characteristic of the orbiting bodies is fascinating. A massive energized electric Carbon star makes more sense than a black hole
      With gravity sucking light .My mind can't get around gravity influencing light since it has no mass. Have a great day and be aware of the 19 th largest CME recorded coming our way .
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      • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 2 months, 2 weeks ago
        I'm on watch and trying to awaken the IT manager to the dangers and develop a protocol of shutting the computer system down in the event of a powerful CME. It just might save lives which is not a concern of the state and regulators in reference to Hospice. There was a time when many that came here would recoup and go back home to enjoy life for a while longer.
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        • Posted by lrshultis 2 months, 2 weeks ago
          Why were they determined to be terminally ill when admitted to the hospice to begin with? I have witnessed my mother and a sister enjoying that life of terminal cancer at home. B.S. There is no such enjoyable life then and might be better in hospice where possibly better care can be given, though now with the nearly religious belief that good pain control is somehow evil due to the possibility of addiction or some kind of happiness, some do not get the best pain control.
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          • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 2 months, 2 weeks ago
            Our hospice, the first in the country, has the best pain control which also leaves the patient awake and aware at the same time. We have a beautiful property to boot. Google Connecticut Hospice in Branford Connecticut.

            What I was referring to is those that have a bit of time and those we take in for recovery purposes which is about 20-30% of our admissions; not to mention older workers that may be effected adversely.
            We are engaged in medical cannabis and I am trying to get intervenes vitamin C as an option for patients also.
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      • Posted by  $  blarman 2 months, 2 weeks ago
        Actually Einstein's observations with the photoelectric effect (for which he was awarded his Nobel) demonstrated the wave-particle duality of light. While they have no measurably mass and no measurable charge, they do indeed interact with massive bodies as if they had mass in certain circumstances.
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        • Posted by ewv 2 months, 2 weeks ago
          Einstein's 1905 Nobel prize work does not address Dobrien's puzzle. Einstein did not do experimental observations, he hypothesized in 1905 an explanation of previous experiments whose photo-electric results were not understood: that the energy of emitted electrons was quantized proportional to the frequency of the impinging light: E = hv - P, where v is the frequency and P is the energy required for the electron to break free. There was a long history of the establishment of the combination of wave and particle properties ('duality') of light and of matter, and in particular the concept of the theoretical entity 'photon' as a particle associated with light was established many years later than 1905. The relativistic momentum of a photon, which has no mass, as proportional to its energy p= E/c does not mean 'as if it had mass' and is unrelated to gravitational attraction of masses. There is still no known integration of gravity and quantum mechanics. The 'bending' of light by gravitational mass is described in relativity theory without a physical explanation.
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