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Houston Is Drowning-In Its Freedom From Regulations

Posted by  $  nickursis 2 months, 3 weeks ago to Government
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I had to post a response to this drivel in my FB account, but wanted to share this as it is so indicative of the "disater happens because we are not controlled enough" crowd. My point was, in oregon we get 1-2" a day rainstroms and in 4 days we are flooding, houses under, roads covered, and Oregon is the most regulated atste beyond Kalifornia. If we got 20-30 inches, we would look just the same as Houston. Regulations do NOT fix the problems, they often cause more of them. It is only when the local populace hold their political morons to task to actually prepare for these things, that it can be somewhat ameleorated. When you get 20-30 inches of rain in a few days, you just betted have a frigging boat ready, and a waterproof home, no matter where you are, as you are screwed. Ask the people who went through Katrina. I can just bet they are filling out the "give us 10 Billion for Houston" forms for the feds already.....
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  • Posted by gharkness 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    What an idiot that guy is. Does he think that if there were more restrictions, Harvey would have read the laws, said, "I'm not welcome here," and turned around (and presumably gone somewhere else where there were zoning laws in place)?

    YES, Texans do value their freedom! At least he got one thing right.
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  • Posted by  $  Dobrien 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    Hi Nickursis,
    This hurricane is just one of many examples of the extreme weather around the globe this year. It is the result of the grand solar minimum. During this sun cycle the inter tropical convergence zone is disrupted the "normal" jet stream or at least the jet stream that we have become used to is abnormal.This causes tropical rains to stream Into unusual regions or during the wrong season. It is like a rivers in the sky.
    Also there is a marked increase in volcanoes that throw particulates high into the atmosphere. This volcanic activity has reoccurred during each Grand solar minimum in the past maunder minimums and Daulton minimums just like clock work. Not to be ignored is the rapid increase in
    Cosmic rays that enter our atmosphere due to our weakening Magnetisphere. As it weakens more of the Rays particulates penetrate and as they do they create an increase in clouds. This August is the coldest In 60+years It has been cold and rainy similar to April -May the weather people have called it augtober . The neighbors lilac bushes are blooming again I have never seen it before. Our lakes average temp is a full eight degrees colder than avg. Much of Norway's agriculture went unplanted this summer as it has rained 60 of 62 Summer days. Huge flooding in Midwest this spring destroying much AG. May blizzard in Kansas wiped out 35% of our wheat crop . Mountains of snow in the Sierras that never melted ( that is making a glacier in California no less) oh yes their 5 year drought eliminated in a week. This is happening around the globe see historic flooding in New Zealand , Europe, Canada
    Pakistan , India (tomatoes harvested are escorted to market by armed guards due to severe shortages.) Japan ($10 potato chips bags due to poor crop) South America .Record ice build in Greenland and more sea ice in the Arctic since 1971.
    This is just the beginning as cosmic rays penetrating are expected to increase 19% after having increased 13% just the last two years.

    It is also believed that these rays interact with our DNA
    Ushering in a new Renaissance of enlightenment
    and creativity. Preceded by a rough patch (now)?
    The sun is the driver of our climate period. Whatever impact man has from co2 it is miniscule.
    We shall see how this plays out.
    Watch the rise in food prices.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      And the left witch doctors keep preaching that productive men are at fault. More like the dark ages every day.
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      • Posted by LibertyBelle 2 months, 3 weeks ago
        I have also read that the Black Death in the Middle
        Ages was blamed on the Jews. (Though one gentile
        writer said they were getting it as much as the gentiles). They were the medieval scapegoat,and
        this lasted into the 20th century. But it looks as if the world has graduated into making capitalists/industrialists the modern scapegoat.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    If only we could regulate Ma Nature. We could bloom the Sahara, regulate rainfall and snowfall. But since we can only regulate ourselves, which at the present time is entirely not considered by nature, the earth or the universe, we're bound to have regular catastrophes.
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    • Posted by  $  2 months, 3 weeks ago
      Sh@t happens...you just have to deal with it. My power goes out once or twice a year, that is why I have 3 generators, so my horses have ater. You flood, or may flood, you build for it, or don't live there. We know a woman who is complaining about her 12 horses, but if you want to live in places that have hazards, plan to beat them, not hope it doesn't happen (which is normal political planning).
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  • Posted by tdechaine 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    If we quit bailing out everyone who is a victim of a storm, then there would not be the building and rebuilding in such areas, thus even less need for regulations.
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  • Posted by mrdenis 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    Living in NJ we are swamped with regulations ...I was having a house built at the jersey shore in the mid 80's and wanted a elevation of 18ft above sea level ...the town told me it would not pass the height because the town had a coed of 12FT ...yep it took 30 years but I got flooded out with Sandy as the water hit 15ft above ...the town now has a new code any new construction must be at least 16ft ...
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  • Posted by Herb7734 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    When you read something like this, you know certain things about this person. He has accepted the 2nd hand ideas of of those who surrounds him, he is not curious enough to study opposing ideas, and he will defend his 2nd hand ideas so that he doesn't feel like a fool.
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  • Posted by NalaniTex 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    I live in Houston. I am high and dry...Thank you. I do not care for our Mayor BUT when the National Guard was called in and it was clear it would be some time before any teams actually made it to town....He Said...IF YOU CAN AND WANT TO HELP, JUST HELP...FORGET THE RED TAPE! I was applauding that. On TV were announcing if you want to help, call this number so we can register you and tell you where we need you. Once the mayor spoke that was never mentioned again. Until now. I am sure it is a legal nightmare for the lawyers but I think it was great. I don't support Mayor Turner's efforts to make a sanctuary city or the erroneous bids he has messed up....but I had to give an applause for this one statement at the height of the storm.
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    • Posted by  $  Dobrien 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      NalaniTex, glad to here you are safe. It is funny when it is important the leaders will cut the red tape but the rest of the time they produce it and worse. Gov Moonbeam cut the regs in the Oroville Dam mess this past spring. Idiots love to get in the way of positive action.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    I am in the Houston area just to the West along the Brazos river. IDGF what law, and regulations are passed the Hurricanes aren't listening and will do as they please. The only thing that can be done is what is being done. Neighbors helping neighbors provide infinitely more help than any agency. I have been trapped in my home for 4 days and the river is getting closer by the minute. Thankfully my neighbor just came by and cleared my driveway so I can get out now if I need to.

    Mt biggest takeaway from this is to get myself a good chainsaw, haven't been able to get my old Poulan to start. Grrrr my bad should have had it serviced.
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    • Posted by  $  2 months, 3 weeks ago
      By the way Eyecu2, I really do hope you make it through ok, hope for the best, plan for the worst. Good luck.
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      • Posted by Eyecu2 2 months, 3 weeks ago
        Thank you. I am sure we will be fine. Just got word that the Brazos will crest 2 ft lower than predicted. So minor damage and inconvenience but nothing to really complain about. Heck got an extra week before classes start back so I should probably be thankful.
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    • Posted by scojohnson 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      Best prayers to you friend.

      Don't kick yourself over a chainsaw... I've had many of those. I have basically 2, one that seems to start when it's hot, one that seems to start when it's cold out. Seems like all of us have that problem.
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    • Posted by  $  2 months, 3 weeks ago
      There you go. It depends on what you think will happen in the future, more of this or less, but look into some form of barricade. I have seen homes in Oregon where they either used building block walls or brick, or earth stone, raised 2 feet around the house and sculpted into the surroundings, and a waterproof block for the opening, some would use gates and mount them to the gates, others used wood with waterproofing material. Kept them dry when others were wet.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    Getting your news from Newsweek via Yahoo is a recipe for statist propaganda.
    That said, I lived full time in the Houston area for 4 years, and part time for 3 more years in the '80s. But I lived in The Woodlands (30 miles father inland from Houston) most of that time, with the most stringent deed restrictions in Texas, which btw, in spite of all the land planning and restrictions had severe flooding recently.
    http://www.chron.com/neighborhood/woo...
    and again this week:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZqZ5...
    Woodlands has a lot of open space and under normal conditions the land can absorb a lot of precipitation by design. (Golf courses are part of the flood control system in Woodlands, btw.)
    I was delighted to leave. In 7 years I recall noticing only one day that the weather was genuinely beautiful. None of that was the fault of the lack of regulations.
    Maybe someone else can respond regarding insurance on property damages in Texas. To my knowledge it works in such a more free market, i.e., Texas.
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    • Posted by  $  2 months, 3 weeks ago
      Freedom, so is that your video posted to YT? Aug 27th?Just making sure, but that is more like what we will see where we have sometimes a 2 week period of 1" a day rains. It looks like that was pretty well designed all over, in that it was handling a huge water load, other than the covered areas, which we see almost every year at some point. In regards to my news, I have my mail through them for the last 20 years, so my homepage is theirs, but I have not just fallen in with their slant, they do not carry many news organizations reports, (my guess is they want money from them) but there are a lot of "lamestream media" types who write stories and sell them to organizations that buy them, which I have seen the same set up on Google News and MSN. It is very difficult to find any unbiased news, but this wasn't just cobbled together crap (well it may be crap) but from :

      Steve Russell
      NewsweekAugust 28, 2017

      I know Newsweek is a unbiased as Barack and Hillary are honest, but you have to work with what you can find. My point of people expecting the government to pay for all this (which it will, as even if Trump does not figure out the benefit of throwing money at a problem, the Republicrats will and override any veto) as well as some being just as pissed at their leader as I would be (there is a segment on the Weather Chanel where a dude in his 60's castigate Houston's politicals machine for ignoring this possibility), I am sure there will be more screaming in the next 2-3 weeks. My man point is that wherever you live, there are risks, in oregon it is fire and earthquake with the winter wind and rain, down south it is hurricanes, midwest tornados east coast snow, rain and noreasters, with the odd earthquake added in. There are hazards everywehere, so you have insurance. I only stay with State Farm because they are one of the few to offer earthquake insurance, vice hoping the government will bail me out, it is not required by anyone. So, shouldn't people have flood insurance, even if they may not use it every year? Should the city and state engineer to protect things and deal with potential disasters?
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      • Posted by freedomforall 2 months, 3 weeks ago
        Not my video. I'm in Burbank in a heat wave;^)
        I agree that the free market is the best solution, and that the hurricane is just an excuse for more whining from statists. That's why I looked for direct evidence from people on the scene in an area where I had some knowledge.
        To be blunt: Yahoo news is rubbish and except for company news releases on technology I am interested in (containing only the company's propaganda;^), I avoid it.
        One advantage of the internet is that we can find the truth from people on the scene much easier than ever before.
        BTW, you can get your own host for a webpage and email for less than $30 a year, and the hosting company will not be pilfering through your email. There are lots of good companies that offer the service at a reasonable price. (Free Markets!)
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        • Posted by  $  2 months, 3 weeks ago
          Oh, I know that, I actually have a couple websites that have gone untended and I should close them down, ever since MS killed Front Page, I have not found a decent WYSIWYG editor, and have not had the time to relearn it. But yes, that is probably a better way. i just irritated that, even before the disaster is over, people are coming out of the woodwork and screaming it's someone's fault, the Global warming crowd is belching crap too, blaming on that farce...i can more buy into Dobrien's idea of solar influence being a repeatable, historically provable cause, than the CO2 "give us your money in penalties" crowd.
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          • Posted by  $  Dobrien 2 months, 3 weeks ago
            Don't buy into it do your own research. The grand solar minimum . Here are some examples Nickursis. https://arxiv.org/abs/1705.04482
            Or From CERN Cosmic rays are charged particles that bombard the Earth's atmosphere from outer space. Studies suggest they may influence cloud cover either through the formation of new aerosols (tiny particles suspended in the air that can grow to form seeds for cloud droplets) or by directly affecting clouds themselves. The protection is from the Magnetisphere when weakened these rays increase in penetrating our shield.

            "This isn't the first research to show that Earth's magnetic field is changing. Our magnetic field has always been in flux, and over the past few years it's become clear that the invisible bubble that protects our planet from the harsh conditions of outer space has been getting weaker and weaker.

            According to scientists' best estimates, the field is now weakening around 10 times faster than initially thought, losing approximately 5 percent of its strength every decade. But they don't really know why, or what that means for our planet."http://www.sciencealert.com/new-study...
            https://youtu.be/GVsT2IszcpA
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  • Posted by  $  Abaco 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    Only a complete moron could write something like that. If the leftists weren't so stupid, maybe I'd pay them some heed. I just can't...just can't do it. I hear this kind of thing all the time out here on the left coast. The Sacramento region is the capital of the left cost and, mark my words, you will see a disaster here that rivals Katrina someday because the dummies didn't prepare the levies - failing to prep and just squandering the money on needle exchanges and crony deals... It's like this place is run by the mob, only much worse...
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    • Posted by  $  2 months, 2 weeks ago
      it is the same in many places, same thing in Oregon, only we are burning and choking so the Fire Service gets a bigger budget next year.. government is totally useless and needs to be eliminated and replaced, even f the people replacing them DON'T have a frigging degree, 2 oz of common sense overcomes that issue....
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  • Posted by term2 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    Typical leftist article. The assumption is that government regulations are typically “right” perhaps if people had to take responsibility for the real costs of where they choose to live instead of expecting the rest of us to shoulder the costs, things would improve
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    Houston is being hit by a 500 year event. Municipalities don't normally prepare for such things because of the expense, and if they did, someone would want to know why they aren't prepared for a 1,000 year disaster.

    The personal danger was compounded when their idiot mayor told everyone to ignore the governor's call to evacuate and sit tight. Mayor Sylvester called Governor Abbot a fearmonger, and said everything would be just fine. He still insists he did the right thing, because millions of refugees trying to return now would get in the way of rescue efforts. The final body count should tell the tale.
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    • Posted by term2 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      People resist evacuations cause their property will be vandalized when they are gone
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 2 months, 3 weeks ago
        Protecting property at the risk of your life doesn't make much sense to me, but it's a matter of personal choice. I do think many would have left for safety's sake if not for the assurance from the mayor that everything was going to be OK, and now those gullible souls are hoping for rescue.
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        • Posted by term2 2 months, 3 weeks ago
          I think personal responsibility can prevent a lot of emergencies. I would have stayed at home but would have had a boat, life raft enabling escape if needed. A few days of food and water for my family and pets would have been in stock. Staying in some government shelter is a last resort
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          • Posted by DrZarkov99 2 months, 3 weeks ago
            I've been through the hurricane drill before, and when all of the weather centers are warning of a 12' storm surge and up to 50" of rain, the only sensible thing to do is to evacuate, finding your own place to stay. Relatives first choice, friends, hotels that offer weekly rates, government shelter, in that order of priority. It isn't like the Houston residents didn't have plenty of warning.
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            • Posted by term2 2 months, 3 weeks ago
              But in this socialist world, people have been taught the government will take care of them for "free" no matter what happens with mother nature. And they have been taught that no matter what YOU have, its available to anyone in "need". Since this was not the first time water got to nearly 50" deep, I would move from low lying areas in Houston , New Orleans, and other coastal places to some other place as a high priority.
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              • Posted by  $  2 months, 2 weeks ago
                Doc and Term you are both correct, plan for the worst, hope for the best. Look at the issue they have now at a chemical plant in Crosby, Texas, in danger of exploding in the next few days because they did not know how to protect their volatiles with water proof generators and protective dykes. Reminds me of TepCo and Fukushima, although warned of a possible size 9 earthquake and subsequent tsunami, they opted to go with a low seawall, and put the one thing they really, really needed (generators) in the basements....that is what college educated people do..save money and screw up...
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                • Posted by term2 2 months, 2 weeks ago
                  Seeing as though SE Texas. Has been flooded before, it’s time to check out the areas that will be hit NEXT TIME, the structures that survived, and the things (like pontoon boats, jet skis, canoes, kayaks) that one should get, and supplies and meds for a couple of weeks. I saw a lot of houses built on stilts that survived ok for example
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                  • Posted by  $  2 months, 2 weeks ago
                    Look at the Gulf Coast, after Katrina they require you to build on 8-12 high supports designed to specifically survive when storm surge hits with debris in it, so they do not get knocked down. A lot of people have designed garages into them. The supply of boats needs to be added to hugely so the local people have them available, and equipped with night lights. Maybe some kind of rugged inflatables that can be stored in containers at locations like emergency lifeboats. Lots of room for innovation, until the government steps in to tell you why you can't....
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      • Posted by  $  2 months, 3 weeks ago
        Well, then if someone has time to vandalize, then someone should have time to shoot them. That would tail off pretty quickly. Part of planning should have been how to get out, where to go, and who volunteered to stay and guard, if needed. But it also says not only did they fail with the water and evacuation, they fail in policing as well. Call the guard out, and allow target practice, I'm tired of allowing idiots to prosper....
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        • Posted by term2 2 months, 3 weeks ago
          Absolutely. It’s a big decision to leave ones home to the ineffective protections of our statist government. I would have stayed in my home but arranged for my safety and escape route before the emergency . I can protect my home and possessions and pets better at home
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    • Posted by freedomforall 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      Exactly right, Dr.
      It isn't rational to expend (waste) limited maintenance resources on assets for an event that occurs once every 500 years or 1000 years, unless its for a scientifically proven predictable event that would destroy civilization.
      Eliminate government provided "flood insurance" and let the free market deal with those who build in high risk areas. Beachfront property values are inflated by such government stupidity.
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    • Posted by  $  2 months, 3 weeks ago
      Doc, also remember they are using this to scare everyone that it IS NOT a 500 year event, but now an annual event, because of GLOBAL WARMING and EVIL MAN. That will get a few of the less cognitive people on their bandwagon, as it is an easy to use blame point.
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  • Posted by dnr 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    I live in Pearland, TX which touches Houston on our north side. Our planned subdivision had it streets flooded, because of two reasons. First, the draining system was designed to handle 2 inches of rain per hour. We had more than that. Second, the storm surge coming from the south prevented any draining into the gulf from up line. Never-the-less, not one single home in the whole community of over 10,000 people had their homes flooded. Street are now slowly receding and we may be able to leave the house by Wed or Thur. If you call our city's/county's building codes for new construction (including planned communities) regulations, then I guess that is what they are, but they come from engineering studies on wind and flood. Houston, like most older cities, had no such codes and it has always been subject to flooding. You can debate if the mayor of Houston did or did not make the right call, but I think that he made the call based on the information that he had at the time.
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    • Posted by  $  2 months, 3 weeks ago
      Your data does indicate though, that it WAS doable to survive with no real harm, even a severe thing like this, and still says that they created their own mess. Carefully crafted rules based on science and data should not be disparaged, it is the ones a lot of people see that make no sense, and the corrupt decisions to allow things in places they should not be. NWS was saying 4 days before it hit what was coming, there is no excuse for the Mayor, beyond stupid politics. Or just plain stupid. I understand you are there and have a lot more credibility, but it is just what I have seen from afar. Good luck to you.
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  • Posted by  $  Temlakos 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    The only reason anyone in Houston is drowning, is that the Mayor of Houston deliberately told his fellow citizens to ignore hurricane warnings. It's as if King Cnut had ordered his subjects to stand on the beach to hold the tide, in addition to trying to sit on the beach and proclaim his defiance.

    As I understood it, those who prepared, survived. (They even had the wherewithal to save the lives of others.) Those who didn't prepare, didn't survive, either, unless some kind private soul rescued them. (Reminder to everyone: check out Rand's essay, "The Ethics of Emergencies.")
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    • Posted by  $  2 months, 3 weeks ago
      Thank you, the news is so unreliable, I didn't believe a mayor could be that stupid, He should not be there long..
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      • Posted by  $  Temlakos 2 months, 3 weeks ago
        I have collateral proof of what I say, in the form of the Mayor's tweets on Twitter.
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        • Posted by  $  2 months, 3 weeks ago
          I am sure you do, I have heard the same thing in a couple places, but the lamestream is so occupied with Melania's damn shoes, and prophesying how this will all be Trumps downfall, no one wants to raise the point of a Dumbocrap Mayor sabotaging his own people, and anyways, they will still blame Trump....
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  • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    I read an article which said that the Houston demoncrapic mayor told everyone to not evacuate or the think twice about it. He said, that the source of the suggestion to evacuate was flawed...don't until a more trusted source says so. Of course, the source that said to evacuate was Trumpet. Because of the mayors idiotic bias...people died, trapped and it all could of been avoided if he had heeded the message from President Trump.

    The other thing that gripes my butt, is that if your area gets flooded easily...MOVE! If any regulations are necessary...this would be one. It is rare that mankind, the army corp or engineers or any government has been successful at protecting an area from flooding.
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    • Posted by scojohnson 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      Very true... I've seen that first hand, the ACE says "don't build there", and the slow drone of local corruption and political contributions from developers eventually erodes the willingness to resist, some flood reports become "outdated" and suddenly 3000 homes are somewhere they shouldn't be.

      Sacramento build "Natomas" with something like almost 5000 homes in an area that would be inundated by 22-29 feet of water during a 50 year storm-event. That triggered the politicians greasing about $3 billion out of the feds to build higher levees to protect an area that should have never been built to begin with. Developers lied and got away with not even requiring flood insurance for the first 8 years or so of building, when that was discovered, the premiums were required and huge (like $1200 a year I heard) and home values took a sizable hit.

      Personally, I chose to live on the high side of the dam that would cause the flood inundation if it were not able to contain all of the water..
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      • Posted by  $  2 months, 3 weeks ago
        You, sir, are an example to all. I also did the same thing, bought a home on a hill, not in a valley, nor near a river (for the "view", yea, as it heads into your house, so pretty, look at the fish! (or the fire ant island). yet never will a politician, or govt person be found accountable, nor will the bribes ever be surfaced, as business goes on as usual. We have a person who bought a horse from us, and is on the Oregon/Kalifornia border, and duffass Jerry told them that with the fire approaching and covering the whole horizon, "You must stay at your posts and collect the tool". They charge a toll to cross into Kaliffornia? On a Federal highway? Gad....
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        • Posted by scojohnson 2 months, 3 weeks ago
          Not sure about a toll to cross into Kali... but we have our dumb-ass "Fruit and Nut Inspection". you can't bring an apple in from Oregon or Nevada, but we take truckloads of produce from Tijuana daily with people and narcotics buried in the piles.

          What was it we were talking about with regard to political corruption...
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          • Posted by  $  2 months, 3 weeks ago
            The tool is true, at a crossing near Brookings, I was amazed. She posted a picture from her office window, the entire horizon is on fire. Ugly. And now the genius's at the Forest Service refuse to use supertankers, and it has been well documented why: If they put out fires quickly, their budget gets cut because of lower costs. Really. A retired Forest Service professional was on the radio describing the backroom planning to allow fires and ring up the register to get increased budgets....I would be hunting down every FS administrator and beat them with a charcoal stick if my house burned for the idiots.
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    • Posted by  $  2 months, 3 weeks ago
      If that is true, it should become a viral memem like a picture of trump saying evacuate and one of mayor saying , don't and water flooding, and circulate with "who's telling you the truth? The NWS was warning of this 4 days in advance and nailed it pretty good, not to listen to them is stupid.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    From my limited knowledge of Houston, there are only a couple of things that could be better. First, I'm not a fan of building in known flood Plains, but they are not the only city to do that. Flooding is a 'lowest points' problem, we used to call them swamps, now we call them subdivisions. Second, the 'using interstates as the drainage' idea - they probably regret that. We always armchair qb something, but the recurring theme has been to skimp on drainage systems. They are expensive, but how much per foot compared to each $400k+ house it passes? Bid the costs lower, get rid of the cronies, a park bathroom doesn't really cost $1 million, get the costs into realistic by not dragging out procurement and contracting for years.

    From observation, the building code looked very good.
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    • Posted by jscrump59 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      As a resident of the Houston area several areas that flood were not considered to be flood plains when they were established. Reservoirs created later and runoff from new commercial and residential areas push the "problems" down stream.
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      • Posted by scojohnson 2 months, 3 weeks ago
        My wife would probably argue that to the end of the earth... she's a licensed water resources civil engineer (PE). I don't like second-guessing this stuff though, there are lots of problems with urban development in general, and Houston is no exception I'm sure. Corruption and stupid-decisions are more of the 'norm' than the exceptions.

        When it comes to this stuff, you want urban sprawl, not 'high density housing'.

        Most of the states have a history of political corruption where developers ultimately get to do what they really want to do, and never put a penny into the infrastructure for off-property mitigation. The local government should have not allowed continued development that would dramatically change the direction of flood water, or make other changes to correct it.

        The shopping center shouldn't be paved to within an inch of the property line, and the subdivision should give up enough home sites to have it's own collection and settlement pond rather than spilling to the next parcel for the neighbor to deal with (as you described)

        That being said, nothing could handle 50 inches of rain, but when rebuilding, they can't use that as an excuse or you will go through this again eventually. It's not something that 'never happens' as the houses look pretty new overall, so certainly not far beyond foreseeable future. Sadly, it's going to do enormous damage to the city.

        Next will be the parade of global warming huggers - but the truth is, while climate change is probably a slight contributor to everything, and warmer ocean temps can and will strengthen storms (physical science), the increasing levels of damage from these storms is more a function of human development than human emissions.. we are building too much, too close to storm-prone areas (like the coast of the Gulf of Mexico). I was at the Hurricane Andrew cleanup when I was in the Air Force, and thankfully, they never rebuilt Homestead AFB, and just kind of de-populated that part of South Florida.

        Huge housing subdivisions are darlings of the greenies when they have 'zero lot lines' and 'high density', I'm not a fan (no boat or RV parking and my truck would never fit in a tract-home garage!) and the snowflake housewives next door would complain to the HOA when I come home with an elk from the week's hunt.

        Nonetheless, back to the point. High density housing means lots of rooftops, lots of road pavement, sidewalks, etc., and very, very little actual soil surface to absorb the rainfall. Shopping centers are worse, and freeways with the Texas-style frontage roads on both sides are even worse than that (completely inadequate drainage). You don't really see farmland under feet of water, it is usually able to absorb it (but might get pretty muddy). So diminishing the soil surface area diminishes the absorption and it's a sliding scale of how many rooftops you can do per acre, versus reduced absorption. I live in a 2-house-per-acre subdivision, and even with that the private street and such really kind of seems like the lots are small to my liking. We have 22-houses per-acre downtown and that turns into basically a paved-sidewalk between each house with maybe a 10x10 foot back yard patio thing and nothing but a narrow sidewalk in front of the house. Needless to say, those 2 & 3-story high density things would be barely peeking the roof above the flood waters if it happened here.

        Knock on Wood, but Kali does the freeways a little different, it's thought to 'protect the environment', but we have huge water handling systems under the freeways with pumps, charcoal filtration, etc., to clean and move the storm-water. It has little to do with the environment, it's actually to clean the water before it enters the drinking supply. The intent is to take out the heavy metals, oils, and rubber before it re-enters creeks and streams. Side-effects are storm drains and culverts up to 20 feet in diameter in some cases... the stuff can handle a hell of a lot of water.

        My wife is a culvert expert, probably the best in the nation actually, she leads CalTrans' effort and CalTrans leads the other 50 states and Federal DoT on that (and many other topics). When we have driven through Texas, she has seen decent stuff in some areas, completely devoid in others, so it seems like a local directive rather than state-level mandates. It may be more dependent on the water sources. In Kali, we don't have a lot of water to waste and everything enters creeks where we pretty much use all of it for drinking water - so you really don't want radiator fluid in that stuff. Texas has a lot of ground water I'm sure, so it may not be as sensitive. When you see water 10 feet deep on a major artery though, that shouldn't be happening... seems like the storm water pumping stations and systems are not present. Even if the power was out, those usually have their own power backup systems (or should).

        The reservoir is another issue... that's probably the worst thing that is on the worst-case-scenario list, that would double or triple the water already flooding-out. Hopefully it holds... we had our own imminent disaster with Oroville recently, but I assume Oroville to be much larger. Sounds like it's an earthen levee thing in Houston, would be small. Oroville is about 700+ feet tall on the dam face. Would have flooded most of the California central valley.
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        • Posted by term2 2 months, 3 weeks ago
          High density housing with openable windows would let residents shelter in place cause the water wouldn’t get. Past the lobby
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          • Posted by scojohnson 2 months, 3 weeks ago
            Well, not high density as in "tall" - I'm talking the zero-lot-line stuff we have here with single family homes built 6 inches apart from each other and 4 feet from the sidewalk with no backyard.

            Gutters and drainage sewers are not a replacement for open soil, 30 minutes after the rain starts the sewer drain gets clogged with debris and an hour after that the roadway is under water.
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            • Posted by  $  2 months, 3 weeks ago
              Yep, same thing in beatuiful Portland Oregon, within their UGB. Houses built 6 inches apart, "to save the environment". Actually to impose their control, as you cannot have cars, there is no parking and the roads are a nightmare. I drive 62 miles each way to work to avoid the jackals. I also am buying an Elio at 82 mpg when they come out, so I am serving both needs.
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              • Posted by scojohnson 2 months, 3 weeks ago
                I'll trade "convenience" for "elevation" every day of the week.

                Sacramento would need a 345 foot flood level before my driveway gets wet. (Sacramento makes a good comparison as it is/was #2 most costly potential flood disaster listed by ACE behind New Orleans).
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                • Posted by  $  2 months, 3 weeks ago
                  All depends on what is available, I have looked at property with a stream or river front on it, and just planned to put a wall in around the potential flood area, you have to work with what is available,
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