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Newsletter on UCCS: 'Veterans should be banned from four-year universities'

Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago to Culture
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So, this leads me to wonder, if this is free speech, how does it differ from a KKK ralley, or a BLM rally? All would be considered free speech yet only those they despise get castigated. Hate is obviously a one sided affair, which goes back to what philosophical roots got so screwed up in our past that bad is good and good is bad. and transference of characteristics is passed by one group to another. "All military are white supremacists and racists" seems so utterly false as to be babble. Yet they will ban them and allow their freeloading 18yo HS grads to come get a free ride on student loans they refuse to repay, and that is all moral and good. I am rapidly heading to Heinlein' philosophy of requiring 4 year service for citizenship and privileges like college....


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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 6 months ago
    What amazes me is that so many people today are willing to accept outright lies from the media and politicians as truth. Joe Biden is running around claiming that Trump praised the white supremacists in Charlottesville (blatantly false). These lies get propagated widely, and become an unshakable belief to a significant segment of the public.

    Not even part of the Vietnam conflict (I was a spook), as an Air Force officer I was accused of being a baby killer by long haired draft dodgers, who only dimly understood the American military. Going to an all volunteer military has only further distanced a largely inexperienced public from service members. We're more efficient, but at what social cost?

    Nick, like you, I'm beginning to lean toward Heinlein's idea of mandatory service before voting rights are granted.
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  • Posted by $ rainman0720 8 years, 6 months ago
    "LGBTQQI2SAA"?

    I'd started to wonder if the author got a Scrabble game for Christmas, but then I realized two things.

    One, there's only one 'Q' and no numbers in a Scrabble set (although there are blank tiles).

    Two, he couldn't have gotten it as a Christmas present because he probably is among those who sue people and companies when they wish the world a Merry Christmas.
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  • Posted by CarrieAnneJD 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am always shocked by people flat-out refusing to use logic. I had an insurance company (adverse party) flat-out tell me that even though [statute I cited] specifically requires them to do what I'd requested, they weren't going to do it without a Court order. Mind you, we hadn't even started a lawsuit yet. Just... BE LESS STUPID, people. Come on.
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 6 months ago
    it shames me to say I am a resident of the state of Colorado; they are pathetic
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  • Posted by CarrieAnneJD 8 years, 6 months ago
    The flyer has to be satire, doesn't it? I have no basis for this other than the content of the article, but it seems to be satire because of the word choice. Although this perspective is being glamorized and portrayed as the moral absolute, I strongly suspect no one would ever phrase it this way, specifically:

    (1) "In order to provide a safe place for all students, extremist right-wing groups must be suppressed on campus." Using the word "suppressed" gives it away, for me. The argument is normally phrased "intolerance will not be allowed," which leads to the criticism of "intolerant of intolerance" and the pushback against phrasing it even that way. The preferred artiulation of this perspective presents it as a negative or something good (like "not okay"
    versus "bad") rather than "positive action taken to silence you" (which admits the use-force-to-silence reality that the supporters deny).

    (2) Similarly, the sentence right before that one: "Finally, veterans usually are associated with extremists right-wing groups such as the tea party and the NRA." Take the point from (1) and expand it to include any member of the NRA or anyone who supports anything the NRA does, we'd get most republicans. Being generous, let's say it's not actually half but only a third of the voting citizens.... a THIRD? Surely this sentence is only highlighting the ridiculous logic seen at universities regarding the banning of "controversial" speakers (i.e., anyone who doesn't espouse the correct opinion, though that opinion may be vehemently opposed by ~50% of the population, including the banned speaker). It cannot be serious... can it?

    (3)"LGBTQQI2SAA." I guess someone may be willing to type it out in a printed publication... but even the most long-winded and in-your-face Fa (aka "anti"fa) supporters I know would only say LGBTQIA.

    (4) "Veterans should be allowed to attend trade schools, or maybe even community college." This doesn't make sense to me -- if the concern is the white supremacist culture that's the same in military culture, why allow any non-Fa to get any education (i.e., to allow those who have been "permanently tainted" to exist ANYWHERE would allow them to "taint" something)?

    Anyway, if it is serious, at least we're seeing what's supposed to happen when bad ideas come to light: people rejecting the idea as horrible rather than physically attacking someone who dared to articulate a minority opinion but expressed it in a safe, unconfrontational, and constitutionally protected manner and forum.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 8 years, 6 months ago
    Sorry, but...

    The referenced reads like a typical Newsertainment story, using riot and racism to get the reader wound up and irate, and doing so hold you with their barbed hooks to addict you to their blather (and dump ads in front of you...)

    To me, it's a symptom of the fatal disease that exposes the loss of intelligence and ability to critically discern that plagues the "first world" populace, and especially those here in the USA.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 8 years, 6 months ago
    Why is it that conservatives are surprised when liberals fail to think rationally? Liberals are illogical for the same reason that the scorpion stings the frog. It's just part of their nature and is part of what makes them liberals.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agreed, it is a baseless claim made to agitate and I am thinking, offer yet another rally cry for the snowflakes.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 6 months ago
    This is their "first issue" of the newsletter. It sounds like they went for something stupid in a morbidly curious way to draw attention and get readers before they run out of runway. "Clickbait"-style claims are a hallmark of our time.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 6 months ago
    Gee jumping Judas goats! I didn't know all those black people in the armed services are white supremacists.
    Drafted Bama boy me will never forget my first Parris Island shower back in 1969. Due to my segregated schooling, being surrounded by so much naked black skin was a bit of a shock.
    Maybe me dino should look some of those fellow Marines up because we were trained to only be the color green, ya know.
    All of us green white supremacists could dress up in assorted white racist costumes, surround a Confederate statue to sing "Dixie" and then form up to goosestep around it while singing "Das Deutschlanied."
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agreed. I used it too, The sick part is how anyone could equate being a veteran with being a racist or white supremacist. The telling thing that this was snowflake drivel was:

    "Second, many students are frightened by the presence of veterans in their classrooms. Veterans usually have an overwhelming presence in the classroom, which can distract other students. This is usually true for vulnerable individual such as LGBTQQI2SAA, who have been known to be the butt of insensitive jokes made by veterans."

    The more I see this stuff the more I think it is just another brick in the wall of whoever is morphing our society into the complete useless corrupt mess it is heading too. The person can't be found and they sputter all the classic liberal BS and blame and use such precise language as "many", and "everyone", indicating they have no real clue at all to what they are saying, they are just encasing a propaganda message, to generate a response.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 6 months ago
    Interesting...those GI bill dollars (which I used myself) won't be coming in and, I would think, any federal financial aid should be withheld, since it comes essentially from the same government paying the veterans GI bills.

    I'm sick of this time I'm living in.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 6 months ago
    So, it does appear it is hard copy paper being posted on bulletin boards around the campus:

    "The news station adds that every single student they interviewed disagreed with the flyer’s sentiments, and students have also been taking them down."

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/35...
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, my point is, how is this free speech, yet colleges across the country limit things such as staues, rallies, and (KKK/White Supremacists) rallies. It is all one mix, and to attach a label to a group you neither know, nor can factually prove are some "thing" you do not like, and there fore must be barred, is disingenuous and hypocritical. As far as a privilege, my meaning was to have to earn the right to attend, vice it being given. College is not a free market system, it is far from that, it is one of the biggest beggaries, as well as thefts from taxpayers, as well as rigged fees that are the same model as the medical scams. Since you get student loans the government guarantees, you can borrow 40-60 k to blow on 4 years, and then refuse to pay it back. Free market would end all taxpayer funding of schools, all student loans, all aid of any kind and make it an individual thing. If you wanted to borrow money, go to a business that is willing to take the risk. I would not have a problem with this if they posted a white supremacist manifesto, or some other equally disturbing document, just to prove both sides of the coin are played. The other issue is what constitutes " the posting of a flyer denigrating student veterans.", was it stapled to a telephone pole? There have been numerous instances of conservative groups having their materials torn down, their gatherings invaded and speakers forced to either abandon their engagement or deal with a riot. All this just adds up to a picture of an institution playing lip service to stay out of trouble.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 6 months ago
    College should not be a "privilege", it should be a free-market enterprise. Ditto for student loans. I don't mind the dissemination of viewpoints such as this one, since they undermine the "progressive" movement by alienating most of the students it hopes to attract. As the article states, "All of the students 11 News interviewed on campus disagreed with the stance the letter takes."
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