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Newsletter on UCCS: 'Veterans should be banned from four-year universities'

Posted by  $  nickursis 2 months, 3 weeks ago to Culture
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So, this leads me to wonder, if this is free speech, how does it differ from a KKK ralley, or a BLM rally? All would be considered free speech yet only those they despise get castigated. Hate is obviously a one sided affair, which goes back to what philosophical roots got so screwed up in our past that bad is good and good is bad. and transference of characteristics is passed by one group to another. "All military are white supremacists and racists" seems so utterly false as to be babble. Yet they will ban them and allow their freeloading 18yo HS grads to come get a free ride on student loans they refuse to repay, and that is all moral and good. I am rapidly heading to Heinlein' philosophy of requiring 4 year service for citizenship and privileges like college....
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  • Posted by Joseph23006 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    The chancellor's comments made sense up to the point where in the interview it was noted that neither the publication nor the writer had a connection with the university, in other words, it was outside influences trying to stir up trouble. One thing about veterans on campus would be the experience they bring from the outside, they will not be intimidated into accepting the propaganda so prevalent in many classes by liberal instructors. Considering that the author could not be reached or located, there is a slim possibility that this was done by a liberal professor who fears all the things I have cited, he could be challenged in the classroom by some one who has dodged bullets and even death so he won't be intimidated by words.
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    • Posted by  $  2 months, 3 weeks ago
      Indeed, it was clearly someone who knows nothing factual about vets, but is just driveling for attention, which works after one gets so fed up with snowflake drivel being accepted and a sermon from God. Maybe a better way to handle it would have been to just rip them down as they appeared and note that they were not from a person affiliated with the university, and as such has no right to post in their domain. Go staple them to telephone poles with the garage sale ads....
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  • Posted by  $  allosaur 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    Gee jumping Judas goats! I didn't know all those black people in the armed services are white supremacists.
    Drafted Bama boy me will never forget my first Parris Island shower back in 1969. Due to my segregated schooling, being surrounded by so much naked black skin was a bit of a shock.
    Maybe me dino should look some of those fellow Marines up because we were trained to only be the color green, ya know.
    All of us green white supremacists could dress up in assorted white racist costumes, surround a Confederate statue to sing "Dixie" and then form up to goosestep around it while singing "Das Deutschlanied."
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  • Posted by  $  AJAshinoff 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    Interesting...those GI bill dollars (which I used myself) won't be coming in and, I would think, any federal financial aid should be withheld, since it comes essentially from the same government paying the veterans GI bills.

    I'm sick of this time I'm living in.
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    • Posted by  $  2 months, 3 weeks ago
      Agreed. I used it too, The sick part is how anyone could equate being a veteran with being a racist or white supremacist. The telling thing that this was snowflake drivel was:

      "Second, many students are frightened by the presence of veterans in their classrooms. Veterans usually have an overwhelming presence in the classroom, which can distract other students. This is usually true for vulnerable individual such as LGBTQQI2SAA, who have been known to be the butt of insensitive jokes made by veterans."

      The more I see this stuff the more I think it is just another brick in the wall of whoever is morphing our society into the complete useless corrupt mess it is heading too. The person can't be found and they sputter all the classic liberal BS and blame and use such precise language as "many", and "everyone", indicating they have no real clue at all to what they are saying, they are just encasing a propaganda message, to generate a response.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    I haven't liked growing "old". I don't like it that it is
    now much harder to get a job.
    But I have a similar feeling to something Ayn Rand once said, that she was glad to be old, not to
    have to be around to see certain things. And it is
    tempting to get into the same mood, because of seeing the attitudes that are getting so widespread.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    The thing that I find utterly idiotic about them wanting to bann vetrans from higher education, is that from my personal experience as a white vetran, very large numbers of service personal are minorities. I won't go into specific numbers but I can unequivocally state that minorities are at much higher ratios when compared to national ratios. Therefore this policy if it were to be enforced would be more detrimental to to the very ones they wish to protect.
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    • Posted by  $  2 months, 3 weeks ago
      Indeed true, especially the Army. However the 2015 DOOD report sates:

      This pie chart presents the race of Active Duty and Selected Reserve members across the DoD. Members who report themselves as White represent the largest proportion of the total DoD force (70.7%), while Black or African American members represent 17.0 percent. Asian, American Indian or Alaska Native, and Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander members make up 4.0 percent, 1.1 percent, and 0.9 percent, respectively. Over two percent (2.5%) of members report themselves as Multi-racial.

      download.militaryonesource.mil/12038/...
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  • Posted by JuliBMe 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    I don't know where I heard or read this, (was it here on another thread????) but I like it and will pass it on here. Someone suggested that all older people aware of what's going on in our colleges take a class or two and start politely raising their hands and question the disinformation being "taught" in the classrooms. Bring a smart phone to record and watch the Marxist professors heads explode. This will also expose the other "skulls full of mush" with actual true and common sense information that they can remember.

    The person who suggested it said that some of the kids came to him for more information. I imagine the "teacher" would not call on you more than once, but that once could be very interesting and helpful to others.
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    • Posted by  $  2 months, 3 weeks ago
      One of the problems is, a) you have to go get enrolled in a college, which is a HUGE PITA, as they have all kinds of little filters to keep out the undesirables, like "older people". Like certain classes as a prereq that older people may not have. and b) It's damn expensive, just like the health care costs, free money lying around for college, and easy to get loans have allowed colleges to raise tuition as fast as possible. I was taking online classes at University of Phoenix and one 8 week class was 1800.00. Not worth it to go try to stem the tide of stupidity, arrogance and factual fantasy that passes for college today.... nice idea, just not practical..
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      • Posted by JuliBMe 2 months, 3 weeks ago
        Well, obviously, you've got to have the time and the money, not to mention be willing to put yourself out there. For some, the good that could be accomplished might outweigh those objections. Practicality is an individual standard.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    What amazes me is that so many people today are willing to accept outright lies from the media and politicians as truth. Joe Biden is running around claiming that Trump praised the white supremacists in Charlottesville (blatantly false). These lies get propagated widely, and become an unshakable belief to a significant segment of the public.

    Not even part of the Vietnam conflict (I was a spook), as an Air Force officer I was accused of being a baby killer by long haired draft dodgers, who only dimly understood the American military. Going to an all volunteer military has only further distanced a largely inexperienced public from service members. We're more efficient, but at what social cost?

    Nick, like you, I'm beginning to lean toward Heinlein's idea of mandatory service before voting rights are granted.
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    • Posted by  $  2 months, 3 weeks ago
      I believe that it is maybe the only way to teach responsibility for self, and working as a group, that is left. Although the rumors I get from acquaintances and my sons says it is decaying pretty bad inside along the same lines.
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  • Posted by  $  rainman0720 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    "LGBTQQI2SAA"?

    I'd started to wonder if the author got a Scrabble game for Christmas, but then I realized two things.

    One, there's only one 'Q' and no numbers in a Scrabble set (although there are blank tiles).

    Two, he couldn't have gotten it as a Christmas present because he probably is among those who sue people and companies when they wish the world a Merry Christmas.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    Why is it that conservatives are surprised when liberals fail to think rationally? Liberals are illogical for the same reason that the scorpion stings the frog. It's just part of their nature and is part of what makes them liberals.
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    • Posted by CarrieAnneJD 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      I am always shocked by people flat-out refusing to use logic. I had an insurance company (adverse party) flat-out tell me that even though [statute I cited] specifically requires them to do what I'd requested, they weren't going to do it without a Court order. Mind you, we hadn't even started a lawsuit yet. Just... BE LESS STUPID, people. Come on.
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      • Posted by  $  2 months, 3 weeks ago
        Carrie, that is called "cost reduction and avoidance" where they just say "no" to a legal responsibility, because they know how much it will cost you to force them, and they have their own lawyer or 2 on staff, so you go broke trying to get them to do what they are required to do, and in the end, you may spend 10 grand to get them to do 2 grand of work. Who loses? That is the system that has been crafted over the last 60-80 years....
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        • Posted by CarrieAnneJD 2 months, 3 weeks ago
          Very true. Oh how I wish I could make idiots pay for our costs and fees when they make us hold their feet to the fire to follow the law. Instead, it comes out of our client's share, which is usually capped below even their actual damages anyway... but I digress.
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  • Posted by CarrieAnneJD 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    The flyer has to be satire, doesn't it? I have no basis for this other than the content of the article, but it seems to be satire because of the word choice. Although this perspective is being glamorized and portrayed as the moral absolute, I strongly suspect no one would ever phrase it this way, specifically:

    (1) "In order to provide a safe place for all students, extremist right-wing groups must be suppressed on campus." Using the word "suppressed" gives it away, for me. The argument is normally phrased "intolerance will not be allowed," which leads to the criticism of "intolerant of intolerance" and the pushback against phrasing it even that way. The preferred artiulation of this perspective presents it as a negative or something good (like "not okay"
    versus "bad") rather than "positive action taken to silence you" (which admits the use-force-to-silence reality that the supporters deny).

    (2) Similarly, the sentence right before that one: "Finally, veterans usually are associated with extremists right-wing groups such as the tea party and the NRA." Take the point from (1) and expand it to include any member of the NRA or anyone who supports anything the NRA does, we'd get most republicans. Being generous, let's say it's not actually half but only a third of the voting citizens.... a THIRD? Surely this sentence is only highlighting the ridiculous logic seen at universities regarding the banning of "controversial" speakers (i.e., anyone who doesn't espouse the correct opinion, though that opinion may be vehemently opposed by ~50% of the population, including the banned speaker). It cannot be serious... can it?

    (3)"LGBTQQI2SAA." I guess someone may be willing to type it out in a printed publication... but even the most long-winded and in-your-face Fa (aka "anti"fa) supporters I know would only say LGBTQIA.

    (4) "Veterans should be allowed to attend trade schools, or maybe even community college." This doesn't make sense to me -- if the concern is the white supremacist culture that's the same in military culture, why allow any non-Fa to get any education (i.e., to allow those who have been "permanently tainted" to exist ANYWHERE would allow them to "taint" something)?

    Anyway, if it is serious, at least we're seeing what's supposed to happen when bad ideas come to light: people rejecting the idea as horrible rather than physically attacking someone who dared to articulate a minority opinion but expressed it in a safe, unconfrontational, and constitutionally protected manner and forum.
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  • Posted by  $  Susanne 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    Sorry, but...

    The referenced reads like a typical Newsertainment story, using riot and racism to get the reader wound up and irate, and doing so hold you with their barbed hooks to addict you to their blather (and dump ads in front of you...)

    To me, it's a symptom of the fatal disease that exposes the loss of intelligence and ability to critically discern that plagues the "first world" populace, and especially those here in the USA.
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  • Posted by  $  CBJ 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    College should not be a "privilege", it should be a free-market enterprise. Ditto for student loans. I don't mind the dissemination of viewpoints such as this one, since they undermine the "progressive" movement by alienating most of the students it hopes to attract. As the article states, "All of the students 11 News interviewed on campus disagreed with the stance the letter takes."
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    • Posted by  $  2 months, 3 weeks ago
      Yes, my point is, how is this free speech, yet colleges across the country limit things such as staues, rallies, and (KKK/White Supremacists) rallies. It is all one mix, and to attach a label to a group you neither know, nor can factually prove are some "thing" you do not like, and there fore must be barred, is disingenuous and hypocritical. As far as a privilege, my meaning was to have to earn the right to attend, vice it being given. College is not a free market system, it is far from that, it is one of the biggest beggaries, as well as thefts from taxpayers, as well as rigged fees that are the same model as the medical scams. Since you get student loans the government guarantees, you can borrow 40-60 k to blow on 4 years, and then refuse to pay it back. Free market would end all taxpayer funding of schools, all student loans, all aid of any kind and make it an individual thing. If you wanted to borrow money, go to a business that is willing to take the risk. I would not have a problem with this if they posted a white supremacist manifesto, or some other equally disturbing document, just to prove both sides of the coin are played. The other issue is what constitutes " the posting of a flyer denigrating student veterans.", was it stapled to a telephone pole? There have been numerous instances of conservative groups having their materials torn down, their gatherings invaded and speakers forced to either abandon their engagement or deal with a riot. All this just adds up to a picture of an institution playing lip service to stay out of trouble.
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  • Posted by a59430802sojourner 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    I too am a resident of Colorado; and i live in Colorado Springs about three miles from this campus. Unfortunately most of this has started in the last few years under the leadership of our 'illustrious' our governor Hickenlooper. How's that for a name?
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  • Posted by Herb7734 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    Another one of those pushung the envelope from the far left in order to see how much they can stir up and who they can stir up. As a pre-teen, I had never seen a naked black man until I was at a beach where anyone who needed a place to change into swimming trunks was in one big room with showers and urinals. Standing within a few feet of me was a black teen.who was changing into a bathing suit and I was surprised to note he was pretty much like me except that the hormones were at work. I don't know what I expected to see, but I was gratified that he was human. I did admire his extremities and I realized for the first time, what certain sexual prowess remarks were about. Rather than be fearful of him (no tentacles)..
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    This is their "first issue" of the newsletter. It sounds like they went for something stupid in a morbidly curious way to draw attention and get readers before they run out of runway. "Clickbait"-style claims are a hallmark of our time.
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    • Posted by NealS 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      I spent a year of getting shot at, mortared, and rocketed for that kind of treatment. It made me recall the treatment veterans got on their way home, nothing's changed. That kind of comment is more than "Clickbait" to me and cannot be retracted. Sometimes I feel like we should just give them what they want, the same as they dish out, but I can't break the thought that it would be wrong. I really have doubts that there are many, if any, veterans connected to these outbreaks, ignorant comments and suggestions. Maybe actually becoming a veteran should be required of everyone.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 months, 3 weeks ago
        You got shot at and faced real risk of dying. They're trying to generate buzz for a magazine.
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        • Posted by NealS 2 months, 3 weeks ago
          Exactly, however seeing these creeps physically attacking innocent people without provocation, a combat vets response, at least in his mind, would be to simply to kill them. If the people that are being attacked could fight back it might end, but it's hard for one individual or even a few to fight a crowd. Combat veterans usually know what battle they will win or lose. My inclination would be to put snipers on the roofs and announce that anyone that physically attacks someone else will be shot. So they are right about fearing veterans, it's just that it's going to take a little more provocation before veterans organize and do something to stop these freaks in our society. They are right about fearing veterans but it is going to take a little more than buzz to actually set them off. Most combat veterans do not want to fight anyone anymore, but there might be some that would. Sometimes I feel we should prove them right and just kick their butts.
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      • Posted by  $  2 months, 3 weeks ago
        Exactly why Heinlein's theory had so much validity, he believed when you serve, you have to place yourself in the position of defending your country, you were serving something higher than self, although he never lost sight of the "take care of yourself along the way".
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