yes, sorry, shoe. It was stupid, and that was the straw that broke the back. I realized just how screwed the system was and why. I hard Atlas Shrugged several years later and realized AR was a prophet, who understood how bad people can really get....

Did you mean that a kid threw a shoe at your son?
(Was there a typo?)
"A pretty bad school system"? As a matter of
fact, I am friends with my former 8th grade English(not math) teacher; I have talked to her on the phone about things in my old elementary
school (which went through the 7th grade), and she asked me if that school were not Crimora
(which closed a considerable number of years
ago). I suspected from what she said that that
particular school was somewhat notorious in the
profession. When I was 15, I heard (I think it was
in the summer), that my 5th-grade teacher was
getting fired. My mother said it was because she
didn't have a college education, and that there was no reason a 5th-grade teacher should have to have a college education. But I have read that it is very hard to fire a public-school teacher; if that is the case, maybe they were just looking for any excuse they could find. (As to private schools, I don't know one way or the other). But
I was looked upon as a good reader; my 2nd-
grade teacher (the ogre) thought it was amazing
that I could read the library books in the bookcase at the back of the room. (This school had no library of its own when I was a pupil there;each class had its own "library", a collection of books). I could read easily because my mother,
(who happened to be a high-school dropout) had
taught me phonics before I went to school.

Congratulations to you for doing what was
good for your son, and getting him out of that hole.

I would not expect anyone to provide sympathy for a teacher who got beat up, I would need more data and it has been hard to find much on this story beyond what is posted. I would say it sounds like a pretty bad school system you were in, and I have had some teachers that were dumber that dirt and committed to their weird social algoritims, like one class my son was in, who had a kid throw a show at him, and the kid said he did it because he wanted to, and the school admin told me they could not punish the kid because he was special ed and they got double money for him and the state will not pay if they get in trouble. I removed my kid and homeschooled him.

Oh yes, they have, you'd better believe it. I accepted school, and liked it, in the first grade; I had
an ogre for the second, but was willing to pass that
off as a bad experience (I believe that she had been
there a long time; she was old; when I returned in third grade, she was gone;) I found third grade all right; in fourth grade, my interest began to pall; but fifth grade was what ruined it permanently for me. Previously, I had thought that you were supposed to learn your lessons in school, and then later to supplement what you had learned by doing some homework at home, a reasonable amount. But she turned the place into a homework station, where you went to dump your homework, and check it, and get more. After I got home, I would start to do home
work at some time after supper, and (although I
had previously regretted going to bed, wanting to watch TV, or read--I think I had been sent to bed
about 8:30), I might, as I recall, be up until about
10:00, wishing I could go to bed. And I don't re-
call that the work was especially hard, mentally;
it was time-wasting; copy this, copy that....So I
started just doing part of the work, just to have something to hand in; chances were I could pass
the next test all right. I did not see what right any-
body had to turn me into a slave. And I still don't.
By the time I finished fifth grade, I felt that they were the enemy, and their intent was to enslave
us, and my attitude was like "Give them an inch,
and they'll take a yard." Still, my grades were
generally pretty good.

The 8th grade math teacher wouldn't let me
explain how I had gotten my (wrong) answer. I
never believed that my answer was right and hers wrong; I just needed to know why, so I could avoid making the same mistake next time. She would interrupt, saying "[Name], there are some things you have to take on faith." What con-
temptible garbage. If my answer was right, (which it most likely was not), she should have let me explain why. If her answer was right but she couldn't explain why, then she was unfit for her job, and shouldn't have been allowed to teach. I suppose you can't run a school where the kids can beat up the teachers and get away with it, since there would be no order. But don't
expect me to automatically have any sympathy with a public school teacher who gets beat up in the class.)

I cannot really argue the facts you have, I just conjecture it possibly may also be that Harvard was being run by a bunch of elitists who arrogantly looked down on their lesser beings. Arrogant ahole seems to have been a qualifier for a lot of teachers, and ( I am out on a limb) the vast majority of politicians....

Not necessarily, when people "self report" their identity. Some may think Asian is a better choice than whatever.

"Most of the women on welfare are White,"
I question the basis of your statement.
According to this report (allegedly from the US Commerce Dept):
Welfare Demographics -----------------------------------------Percent --------Total Number
Percent of welfare recipients who are white / caucasian ...16.8 % ........ 11,405,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are black .................... 39.6 % ........ 26,884,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are Hispanic ............... 21.2 % ....... 14,392,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are Asian/Pac.Islander 18 % ........ 12,220,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are Other / Mixed ......... 4.4 % ......... 2,987,000

http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare...

I wonder about these stats, too. The Asian/Pac.Islander number is larger than I would have expected.

Sorry, wrong Adams failure. It was John Adams II, son of John Quincy. Thanks for making me dig. I love research.
"John 2d entered Harvard in August 1819. His academic career was marked by mediocre work and participation in student rebellions. The most serious of these occurred in 1823, shortly before he would have graduated. Along with more than half the members of his class, he was expelled."
https://www.masshist.org/adams/biogra...

Allow me to still use the example. Was this student riot an example of "Puritan on Puritan violence" that no one wanted to talk about? Was it a result of the "culture of violence" with bred during the Revolution? They had gangs such as the "Sons of Liberty" who dressed up as Indians and destroyed private property for a so-called "protest" if we want to interpret it that way.

What if half the graduating class at an urban high school rioted and were expelled? Again, Charles Adams dies an alcoholic and John 2nd is expelled for violence -- and from those headlines, we build a narrative about someone else's "culture."

Most of the women on welfare are White, and I am not sure what that says about "White culture."

That is true, sir. Thanks.

I don't know that experience, I never felt that school was a prison, more of something to just do, and try to do as good as you could. I am sure bad teachers have left their marks across many generations, and that is probably part of the whole equation.

Excuse me, I regarded school as a sort of prison. I
think I would have been justified in beating up my
8th grade math teacher (the old b****). Perhaps the
boy was wrong, but before agreeing, I would need to know more of the facts of the case.

Again, I would say that there is a distinct issue with how things are reported, and here is an example:
In an article where a food writer gets weirded out because people gave him feedback on an article about "Black Restaurant Week" in Detroit:

And while none of my new pen pals will likely be joining the Nazis with their cheap tiki torches ablaze as they huddle around monuments of America's racist past, there is a troubling through-line that begins with “I just don’t want them to take anything away from me,” and ends with “You will not replace us.”

" Huddling around monuments of America's racist past" means what exactly? Anyone who is not protesting the "right stuff" is a racist, their monuments racist, their lives racist? This is the propaganda that seeps even into a damn food idiot article. Yet black kid beating up teacher in class, no big deal...lets talk Trump and Russians and racist statues....

http://www.freep.com/story/entertainm...

And yet part of the propaganda and machinations: "Why do so many white people see any display of black solidarity or black excellence as a threat to white people?"

Yet reword it:" Why do so many black people see any display of white solidarity or white excellence as a threat to black people? " Your house is burned down.

This is the illogic of pure emotional, factless politics and emotionalism. And yet the real funny thing about this is there are so, so many other potential propaganda subjects they have yet to even recognize, such as the Spanish torture and total destruction of the South and Central American Indian nations, the oppression and destruction of our own Native Americans by Portuguese and British, just for a couple. As long as some historical issue is used to justify the present, this will go own and on forever, only maybe it will just flip 180 for a while and white kids will be beating up teachers (I am sure there all ready oodles).

That would be an excellent way to do it, we just have to lock up all the people who think that providing all kinds of things that they do not own or pay for to all kinds of people who do not deserve it, makes them feel so good inside, for a few minutes or so...

Well, it seems there are a lot of them around, some are just more formally labeled after getting caught...others are still waiting..

If part of the consequences of walking away were PERMANENTLY blocking them from any Governmental assistance it migjt work. Otherwise they walk and get rewarded with a check to boot.

The nice thing is that rarely do more than 1 at a time have to get tased. Normally it is over the course of the year. They talk and things settle down for the whole school for a month or so. Then you get a new bunch of hard heads and it starts over.

The kids are at my school are all criminals but thats why they get sent there.

Mike, so you are saying that this incident received the same level of "angst" as Charlottville? Also the reports I saw were pretty much: "See video of kid attacking teacher" Mainly pandering the story as some kind of sport event. I did not see the intense discussion, the investigation as to why this kid whomped on said teacher, not or the whole background of why kids are doing this in classrooms across the country. My point being that there is always this readiness to scrutenize and castigate the people they WANT to do so to, and NEVER is there a similar effort to root cause it in all situations. The Charlottville thing has become a national excuse factory fro everything from why Hillary lost the elction to Trumps utter failure as a human, to why there ar no bigfeet in Georgia. Just the same way as Ferguson was used to get 2 years of freebies from guilt ridden people in government and out of it, yet here is what Wiki says about that deal:

In response to the shooting and subsequent unrest, the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) conducted an investigation into the policing practices of the Ferguson Police Department (FPD).[18][19] In March 2015, the DOJ announced that they had determined that the FPD had engaged in misconduct against the citizenry of Ferguson by among other things discriminating against African-Americans and applying racial stereotypes, in a "pattern or practice of unlawful conduct."[20][21] The DOJ also found that Ferguson depended on fines and other charges generated by police.[22] However, a separate DOJ report focused on the shooting itself was supportive of Officer Wilson and his version of events.[23]

The DOJ was supportive of Officer Wilson. Yet all from the start to months later, the cry was all about the evil done by the cop, he murdered the black kid, and was an excuse for doing whatever they wanted, riot, theft, looting.

This kid is doing the same thing. He has no respect for anyone but his gang bros, everyone else is a target. You keep him happy or he will attack you (usually with his stolen gun) or beat the crap out of you if he has a chance. The teacher looked shocked when the kid punched him, and then he gets on top and keeps hitting him, while the other kids were laughing. This was pure ghetto culture, black on black violence, that no one will ever admit to except when they wasnt to use it as "the failure of the system" or "they need more money " and all of it never change one damn thing.

Sorry, but I am not getting that from Wiki, his son dies at age 30, and all I found was:
At the age of nine, he traveled with his father and older brother John Quincy to Europe, studied briefly in Passy, Amsterdam, and Leiden. He matriculated in Leiden January 29, 1781.[2][3]

In December 1781, Charles returned to America unaccompanied by family members. After graduating from Harvard University in 1789, he moved to New York City, where plans had been made for him to work in the legal office of Alexander Hamilton. Shortly after, however, Hamilton was named secretary of the treasury and Adams moved to the law office of John Laurance to continue his studies.[4]

On August 29, 1795, Adams married Sarah "Sally" Smith (1769–1828), the sister of his brother-in-law, William Stephens Smith. They had two daughters, Susanna Boylston (1796–1884) and Abigail Louisa Smith (1798–1836). Abigail married the banker and philosopher Alexander Bryan Johnson; their son Alexander Smith Johnson would become a judge. At the age of 37, Abigail Louisa died of uterine cancer.[5]

After struggling with alcoholism for many years, he died in New York City of cirrhosis of the liver on November 30, 1800.[6]. Adams was buried at First Presbyterian Church in Manhattan.

Bottom line is: All children learn from some role model or another. If a child is left with no male role model, then he will gravitate to whatever is available, and hence the "gang mentality".

I would disagree, I would say it is more of the irresponsible behavior of both males and females in black community's, where females learned to breed for more welfare, males didn't care who they bred with, as no one wanted, or got support money. You have generations of pregnant women, who then have generations of boys with no father figures, or intact families. They then gravitate to the gang as a substitute family and follow their ethical and behavioral codes. It becomes an entrenched culture that is then appropriated as needed by industry for clothes, music, and entertainment. Whitney Houston is an excellent example of that scenario and the destruction it causes. Bill Cosby spoke of it often, and chastised black men for irresponsibility and poor role modeling, and after he did that, magically, a herd of women show up accusing him of rape and pillage from 30 years ago.

Uh, my guess is Robert Lee of ESPN. No matter all is BS at this point in that regard, it is a form of insanity, to ever associate a name from a dead person to a live one and ascribe attributes.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/23/media...

An echo chamber is bad, but having a reinforcement of one's thoughts and ideas is good. Critical analysis and acceptance of criticism is required for continued mental health.

Do you mean Robert C. T. Lee, the Chinese-American veterinarian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_...) or Robert B. Lee the Chinese-American atmospheric physicist (http://science.hamptonu.edu/aps/annou... The key problem with these chat rooms is that they become echo chambers.

That easy generality fails to address the other aspects of matriarchal homes. It also begs an analysis of the "nuclear family" of the 1950s in contrast to the larger and extended rural structures of the previous half-century.

"Good night, John Boy..." on the one hand versus kids you do not want to be like such as Eddie Haskell and Clarence "Lumpy" Rutherford - whose father was always lusting after June - and poor Larry Mondello whose father was a soldier killed in a war.

The "gang/macho thing" you mention is common in African-American culture because they inherited it from their White Southern masters. It is the culture of honor that allowed duels into the 19th century and brings disproportionate numbers of White Southerners into the military.

The context is complicated because culture is complicated. The easy generalities posted here do not address the depth of the problems.