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Poll the Gulch – Who is more detrimental to our republic, the KKK or Antifa?

Posted by Mitch 6 years, 9 months ago to Politics
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Curious of what everyone thinks on this? Personally, I think the KKK and Antifa are two sides of the same coin of division. The KKK is ridiculous and only services to recruit the naive and dumb into its membership. They will never amount to a true threat, no one cares about their cause because it’s a moronic ideology to judge a whole based on skin color.

The Antifa which is short for Anti-fascist (I’m guessing here) which is anything but anti-fascist. Something about this has not made any sense to me, why here and why now? The KKK has existed for a long time and we just ignore them but now it’s a moral imperative that we fight? Are the ranks of the KKK growing at rates that I should take notice? Are they planning something else that has made this a necessity?

The Left is desperate for division so it can label people as it sees fit and to peg these idiots as “Far-Right” is idiotic. The KKK is closer to the far Left but they have been successful in labeling this group as far Right.

As for my poll question, its these Antifa because they want to oppress free-speech and change history, they seek to divide and not heal, they endeavor to sow the seeds of civil disobedience among the youth that has been brainwash in our public schools, they are the anti-capitalist and I just witnessed for the first time the thought police at Google (1984).

The Antifa is fascism…


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  • Posted by $ mpgmr 6 years, 9 months ago
    For the moment, Antifa, because they are better organized, financed, have media backing, espouse a philosophy which killed over 100 million in the 20th century while Fascism 'only' killed on a quarter of that, and humanity seems to identify evil more with Fascism than Socialism/Communism.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 9 months ago
    Antifa is the greatest threat, described as champagne socialist, muddied by political correctness and see racism everywhere but refuse to acknowledge reverse discrimination. They are as violent as BLM and seem to attract the millennial generation,
    All of that spells bad news.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 6 years, 9 months ago
    Definitely Antifa, IMHO. The real power of the KKK was broken back in the '60s and '70s and all that remains is a handful of copy cats and wannabes. I read a book a decade or two ago written by some retired FBI agents that worked on the teams that brought down the KKK. There will always be kooks that pretend to be KKK, but there will never be a real KKK as it was known in the past. An interesting quip I just heard on the radio is if all the KKK and white supremacists in America were gathered into the same town, it would be doubtful they could elect a dog catcher. Of course the left stream media would have us believe the 60 million supporters who voted for Trump are all card carrying members of such groups.

    Antifa, however, is just a different name for the same communists or communist directed useful idiots that are pressing the collectivization of the USA. They are winning.

    The clash in Charlottesville on the surface looks like a confrontation between Nazis and Communists during the fall of the Weimar Republic, but the Communists definitely have the upper hand and, as said elsewhere here, set this up to damage Trump who is serving to slow down their efforts.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Who do these idiots think they are?"
    I told you my guess, and you began with the word "wrong". I think they mean to pick up the slack for parents who don't have their act together, and the results is level of quality that's about what you'd expect from a gov't-provided service.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 6 years, 9 months ago
    different sides of the same fascist coin...easier for the media to label groups than deal with individualism
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  • Posted by 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The margins are so slim, it doesn’t take many to change the results.
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 6 years, 9 months ago
    The essence of what made America great was individual rights, limited government, and capitalism. Neither side in this debate thinks we should have any of the three. Indeed, they are so intent on erasing history or distorting it, that they blatantly tell lie after lie. Herewith is an excerpt of President Obama's 2011 speech in Kansas.

    "Now, just as there was in Teddy Roosevelt's time, there is a certain crowd in Washington who, for the last few decades, have said, let's respond to this economic challenge with the same old tune. "The market will take care of everything," they tell us. If we just cut more regulations and cut more taxes – especially for the wealthy – our economy will grow stronger. Sure, they say, there will be winners and losers. But if the winners do really well, then jobs and prosperity will eventually trickle down to everybody else. And, they argue, even if prosperity doesn't trickle down, well, that's the price of liberty.
    Now, it's a simple theory. And we have to admit, it's one that speaks to our rugged individualism and our healthy skepticism of too much government. That's in America's DNA. And that theory fits well on a bumper sticker. But here's the problem: It doesn't work. It has never worked. It didn't work when it was tried in the decade before the Great Depression. It's not what led to the incredible postwar booms of the 50s and 60s. And it didn't work when we tried it during the last decade. I mean, understand, it's not as if we haven't tried this theory..."

    You see government regulation and control works - capitalism doesn't. The full text of his speech can be found here:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/201...
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  • Posted by scojohnson 6 years, 9 months ago
    The KKK was the militant wing of the Southern Democrats for very, very long. Considering that the Republicans have always been very pro-freedoms and sovereign citizen, it seems like the KKK probably is more on the far left of the Democrats than the DNC would readily admit.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 6 years, 9 months ago
    Not much to pick between, racist bigoted skinheads (with ignorance as the common denominator in all of them) or thugs that burn cars, smash windows, loot private businesses, etc. Their common denominator is laziness and wishing the US economy was more like Central America or Europe where it's possible to just sit on the porch all day and subsist.

    I'm going to go with neither.
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  • Posted by EdGoldstein 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The antifa are bought and paid for by the Soros/ Clinton Leftists, as is BLM. These thugs are growing protected gangs.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    “But were the KKK, which was founded by the Democrats, has become pretty much ineffective and small in numbers, does not present the same danger to our republic that Antifa” - I think the far-left has repurposed the KKK and are using it to smear the Republicans. It’s amazing how effective they are…
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  • Posted by EdGoldstein 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The people who voted for Trump will not change their opinions, because they know the MSM is fake news. They have caught on to the propaganda machine and big lie methods.
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  • Posted by ycandrea 6 years, 9 months ago
    They are flip sides of the same coin. Both are prejudice and haters based on nothing.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Wrong -> “ I think the school is responding to the fact that some parents don't have their act together, and the school is trying for better or worse to pick up the slack. ”
    This has disenfranchised me from my parental rights to rise my children in the fashion I see fit. The government has no right to teach my child to be sexually promiscuous with others. Who do these idiots think they are?
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  • Posted by starznbarz 6 years, 9 months ago
    The DNC/MSM and their communist splinters are Americas true enemy. They are all OWS, under several different names, who have been and still are bankrolled by Soros & company and given political/legal cover by the American communist charters known as MSM & DNC. I covered the RNC convention in 2012 and spent some time in "Romneyville" the occupy camp in Tampa, the gatekeeper was an old leftist that had no problem telling me that the next few events out of state were pre-planned and staffed with bodies ready to go, public areas they could "occupy" were arranged and provisioned. This has always been an orchestrated, well funded tactic to oppose and destroy any candidate that was not prog/commie baptized. Sandbagging Bernie probably isn` t the only reason the DNC kept their servers from the FBI forensics. The RNC are mostly liars and power whores, the DNC has no problem creating chalk outlines on the pavement.
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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 9 months ago
    I think the KKK people are entitled to their opinions, as are the antifascists. HOWEVER, neither group should violate the rights of anyone in pursuit of their ideology. Neither should the leftists or conservatives for that matter.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "bus in hundreds, or thousands of counter loons,"
    I thought most of the primary loons came in from all over, albeit with a permit. What percentage of the counter-loons came from out of state?
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "These people should not be questioning your children on which of the 16 sexes available do you think you are?"
    That sounds weird. We haven't seen anything like that in our area. What we see is a lot of the school teaching things parents should teach. I think the school is responding to the fact that some parents don't have their act together, and the school is trying for better or worse to pick up the slack.

    Sending our kids to Baptist Camp has been very helpful. The kids know we're not religious. My 8 y/o challenged us if science and reason aren't actually another form of religion, the religion he's heard all his life before hearing the Baptists view. We explained why reason is not a religion. It's caused us to have discussions we never would have had otherwise. Sometimes their questions are beyond my knowledge, like how exactly some stories get tied to politics and then turn into mainstream religions but others turn into fairy tales.

    It's causing us to get less upset when their school teaches something we don't agree with. The biggest thing I don't agree with is the public school's obsession with safety. The Baptists, OTOH, have my view of safety, that kids should get out and take some reasonable risks. So their learning different people have different conclusions, and it's okay to work with them even if some of their conclusions are just out-and-out wrong.
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  • Posted by IndianaGary 6 years, 9 months ago
    They are both socialist organizations with the destruction of America on their agenda. They are two sides of the same coin. The KKK, however is far smaller that Antifa, which is spreading with the help of the MSM. I would say that, for now, Antifa is the more dangerous group.
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  • Posted by Riftsrunner 6 years, 9 months ago
    Antifa is the militant arm of the SJW movement. The Klan hasn't been a factor in almost 50 years. We have given way too much glory to the protesters of the sixties. So now we have these young kids who are being indoctrinated to believe that skin color and gender are important deliniators to what kind of life you have been dealt. And they think they can 'correct' all there perceived woes by staging protests which they are itching to do to believe they can pretend to be like the protesters from the sixties and make a difference. And I love the irony of the antifa movement using methods created by fascists.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 6 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Me dino recalls briefly viewing a photo of Antifa antifascist fascist fruitcake using some device to shoot a stream of fire at either a KKK klown or a Nazi nutcase.
    Can't remember which kind of racist was being targeted for being surprised at the sight of fire being used as a counter-protest weapon.
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  • Posted by wmiranda 6 years, 9 months ago
    I believe most people would initially think to answer they are both detrimental to our republic and suffer inadvertently into a PC syndrome. However, the wording of the question is distinct to ask "to our republic". To me, Antifa is more detrimental for the reasons you mention. The KKK and Antifa are both hate groups. But were the KKK, which was founded by the Democrats, has become pretty much ineffective and small in numbers, does not present the same danger to our republic that Antifa, (also created by the Democrats, and therefore can be called the "NEW KKK") presents to the republic. Antifa has globalist ideology, a hodgepodge of socialist/communist/pseudo science ideas , censorship of opposing views and contempt for 1st amendment, belief in dictatorial principles of confiscation regarding the 2nd amendment, control of mass media and who knows what else.

    Both these group are from the same cesspool. If you imagine a light bulb shape with the top being center, then right and left away from the top according to your ideology, the cesspool is the bottom, neither right nor left. That's where these two groups are, along with other groups and some individuals. An ideological cesspool.

    Cesspool residents, like KKK and Antifa, are the kind of people that will ask you to give them $10.00 and if you do, they insult you and demand 2 $5.00 bills.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 6 years, 9 months ago
    This is like asking if I'd rather take arsenic or cyanide.

    Both groups are either mostly or all fakes, for the purpose of smearing the Right. The best defense is to laugh and point this out, while never saying anything that could help the lying media smear us by association with the thugs.
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