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  • Posted by Herb7734 3 years, 2 months ago
    I just heard that they arrested the entire opposition party that they could lay their hands on. I don't think we'll be hearing much on social media from those folks.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 3 years, 2 months ago
    Now let us NOT go bail them out. Let the world see what the result (consequences) of their voting in socialism in the first place.
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    • Posted by jdg 3 years, 2 months ago
      If they manage the necessary regime change, the new leader's first act will be to invite some outside company to get the oil fields producing again. Which is what they should do, but I hope that company is on guard against another confiscation once it has succeeded.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 3 years, 2 months ago
    "They have packed the courts with loyalists, blocked opposition lawmakers ..., overturned laws that the president opposed"

    Sounds like the Dark Center.
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    • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 3 years, 2 months ago
      Sounds like the oministration the last 8 years.
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      • Posted by edweaver 3 years, 2 months ago
        I would argue it's been a lot longer than 8 years and is still going on.
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        • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 3 years, 2 months ago
          It takes awareness, time and conviction to untie the knots. I've yet to see this conviction, I do hear lip service, and without conviction the clock hasn't even begun to wind down.
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          • Posted by edweaver 3 years, 2 months ago
            I assume you mean Trump. It's the rest of our government that's headed down the path. They are the ones that will open the door in America to what is happening in Venezuela. Not really any different than what happened to Venezuela.
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            • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 3 years, 2 months ago
              Personally, and I was never pro-trump or anti-trump, I think he's doing what he can and what he's able. Even so, the problem is so widespread into every aspect of government (all three branches) that it will take a lot of people in a lot of places to have a lot of conviction to recognize and address the issues. I do think this may be why we are seeing a turn-style system in some of the Trump Administration's appointments, not all can resist the promise of power simply to tow the line. I do think DT has the conviction and that he see's the problems as they are but I also think he's not a fool who is going to crucify his and his family's future well being. He was never a conservative so I don't expect him to act as one.
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              • Posted by freedomforall 3 years, 2 months ago
                "I also think he's not a fool who is going to crucify his and his family's future"
                Sounds like Ross Perot.
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                • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 3 years, 2 months ago
                  Yeah, Perot was he right guy at a pivotal time. And here we are.
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                  • Posted by term2 3 years, 2 months ago
                    I voted for Perot too. I feel terrible for trump and his uphill battle to drain the swamp. We won’t get repeal of Obamacare and maybe we will get tax relief and a slowing of the march to socialism
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                    • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 3 years, 2 months ago
                      DT is a NY Moderate. The redeeming factor he holds is that he's a business man and knows how to manage, cut the dead weight and turn a profit. His opportunism concerns me but, so far, I haven't seen him do anything I'd get livid over, though a few things do highlight his lack of conservatism. .
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                      • Posted by term2 3 years, 2 months ago
                        I liked the “repeal” part of heath care position, but I was not in favor of “replace” at all. I think there just were not enough votes for fepeal and they mistakenly thought they could do a better government job than Obamacare. Stupid idea. In the end all we will get is Medicaid free for everyone if you can find actual good care anywhere, and huge taxes. Trump is quietly removing a lot of regulations and cutting down on immigration of people who don’t add to our country. I do think the constant pounding by the establishment is. Having the desired effect on trump. He is becoming more politically correct and this whole anti Russian thing has destroyed any possible improvement in relations with Russia. Trump should never have signed that sanctions bill against Russia. The democrats are trying everything to destroy him and his ability to get things done, and in the end the republican establishment wants him out too. He has veto power and not a lot more except exec orders that can survive the democratically appointed courts
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                  • Posted by freedomforall 3 years, 2 months ago
                    I don't recall Perot having any bankruptcies either.
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                    • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 3 years, 2 months ago
                      Honestly I wouldn't know. However Bankruptcy is legal tool to get out of debt and to restructure debt. I don't hold it against anyone or any business for using that tool to save their company or themselves. That said, to go bankrupt to deliberately erase debt at the expense of your shareholders is diabolical (I took a serious hit on global crossing and auto trade center). I'd have to look more closes at DT's bankruptcies to see what type they were and what he did afterward before I pass judgement.
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    • Posted by $ splumb 3 years, 2 months ago
      Yep, plus disappearing the opposition, and late-night murder in their beds.
      Next come the gulags, if they haven't been built already, and calling in the tanks on the protesters.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 3 years, 2 months ago
    Time to ban import of Venezuela's oil. That's a sanction with real teeth, and will cause the collapse of the country's economy. We have an oversupply of shale oil that can more than fill the void. I suspect the CIA already has plans for supplying the opposition with arms and ammunition.
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    • Posted by Ben_C 3 years, 2 months ago
      Wonder what George Sorros has to say about this. As I understand he is heavy into off shore oil in Venezuela. Perhaps he is getting what he asked for and assumed the US would continue to import oil. Drill baby drill in the US and say good by to Venezuela. oil.
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    • Posted by jdg 3 years, 2 months ago
      Didn't their oil operation collapse internally (to the point of halting all production) even before Chavez died? I would be surprised if they revived it while Maduro is still in power.
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 3 years, 2 months ago
        Chavez kicked all the foreign companies out, and now they're having trouble because their indigenous oil workers don't have the parts to maintain the wells and pumping systems. Considering the tremendous reserves Venezuela has, their production is pathetic, and the low oil prices have made the situation worse.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 3 years, 2 months ago
    As I've mentioned here before, I know two families who escaped that mess. "Escaped" is the appropriate word. The second family (friends with the first) literally had to lie to their own parents about how they were taking a short trip and would be back soon, before sneaking out at midnight. The masses there have drank the cool aid so much that family members are turning each other in. They still keep the faith. Side note - these women are both beautiful. I'd assume, and have heard, that Venezuela is the land of many beautiful ladies.

    Every time I see these families at our social gatherings it always includes us having very long, in-depth conversations about the place and their escape from it. They seem so excited to know an American who knows...
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    • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 3 years, 2 months ago
      I knew one college kid whose family had the resources to send him to California for his education. While he was here, and still may be for all I know, Chavez took power. His ancestral farmlands and all their equipment was seized by Chavez, he was prevent from returning home, and his father was denied travel to the US for surgery. Its been some years since we've spoken. I don't know whats become of him.
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    • Posted by 3 years, 2 months ago
      "'Escaped' is the appropriate word. "
      [Sarcasm]Where did they escape to?[/Sarcasm] Some people say the US is just as bad. Of course that's complete nonsense. I agree with you that escape is the right word. US is a utopian land of opportunity compared to what Venezuela is.

      I knew someone from Venezuela 10 years ago. He told me how bad it was, how their election had been unfair, and how the country was heading toward the ruin it's experiencing now. I didn't think it would happen, but his exactly nightmare prediction is coming true.
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      • Posted by $ Abaco 3 years, 2 months ago
        Yeah, when you hear their stories it's very clear that they were in danger. Hence..."escaped". Oh, we're in danger here, too. Just this weekend I went to Reno and when I saw a guy chasing another one down the street with a bat I said, "Well, we're in Reno."
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  • Posted by term2 3 years, 2 months ago
    Reminds me of the passage in AS about the coal fired locomotive in the tunnel. That’s what happened in Venezuela. The USA is following this path and our freedom loving group should study Venezuela closely to see how the collapse and the eventual rebirth unfolds (and how it’s likely to unfold here)
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  • Posted by NealS 3 years, 2 months ago
    Preaching socialism should be a crime, maybe a hate crime. Any of our city Mayors or State Governors that are acting like they love socialism, should be tried, convicted, and sentenced to move to Venezuela (with their family and all their wealth, for a least 5 years. If they want it, give it to them but leave our land here.
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    Posted by 3 years, 2 months ago
    Saying some variant of "a US politician I don't like is creating the same conditions in the US" is worse than sounding a false fire alarm. It's not treason, but it's an insult to people fighting for their freedom in Venezuela and it's on the road to treason against he US. What words will we have in the unlikely event liberty should decay to this state in the US?

    There are people I know and seem reasonable say this same crap on social media.

    The US is a utopian model of a constitutional democratic republic compared to Venezuela. Sadly, even though US served as a model for modern democratic republics, it's not the best when it comes to corruption and liberty. I get why that's a shame. I take some comfort in the fact that rights are no longer limited by sex and race. Even if US isn't the best, in some areas things improved overall. But I don't like that the US is letting liberty go, taking for granted there's no danger, seeing the Constitution as a window into history that doesn't apply to modern life. It's unfortunate and dangerous.

    I do not get people equating US with Venezuela or other notorious totalitarian gov'ts. Maybe it's word "inflation" like how "very" is becoming closer to "rather" or how the F-word isn't as profane. In this case, I should just translate it into 80s language, "Policy XYZ is bad for the country, a step backward for liberty." I don't accept that. If hyperbolic nonsense is the only way to express disapproval, what do you say to describe Venezuela? I can't imagine how incensed I would be to read this crap if I were trapped in a country like Venezuela trying to decide at what point it's worth it to take which personal risks for freedom.
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    • Posted by ewv 3 years, 2 months ago
      To denounce those who recognize and experience the actions of politicians as tyrannical in this country is an insult to us. You seem to lack understanding that government actions against us are real, not an academic exercise in emotional word games.

      There is plenty of anti-intellectual rhetoric accusing people of being "Hitler" incarnate, etc. But most of us recognize that we and others have been and are being hurt by dictatorial politicians like Obama, etc. His health care controls, land use controls, regulatory strangling of industries such as coal, and National Monument decrees are only a few of examples of his legacy -- and they would have been progressively much worse much sooner under Clinton. We don't call politicians we "don't like" tyrants, we "don't like" them because of what they are, what they are doing to us, and what they threaten as they increase their power.

      Ayn Rand was similarly denounced for calling the Kennedy administration the "Fascist New Frontier". She identified the overt principles driving government policy, emphasizing the nature of the Kennedy Democrat mentality because they were hurting people (such as threatening to jail businessmen under arbitrary rules), and promised much worse when more fully. She saw the consequences -- then and in the future -- of philosophy on people in the real world. She did not say that John was a full Adolph and it didn't insult the victims of the German National Socialists. It's about principles and their specific consequences in action, not "word inflation".

      Today the statism in this country is much worse and the progressives are even more open about their egalitarian nihilism and collectivist demands as they ratchet up the controls. Everyone is harmed by this right now, but the intensity of the destructive impacts are not uniform. A successful liberal engineer enjoying a high standard of living with a safe job within one still thriving segment of the economy typically knows nothing about what it is like to personally experience corrupt government elsewhere in the country -- or what it is like to be personally targeted by unaccountable government bureaucrats making up their own rules under non-objective law: such as persecution for years by tax agency officials out to "get" someone, asset forfeiture seizures, politically correct demands on small businesses like even bakeries, regulatory harassment of farmers or loggers, or viro land agencies like the National Park Service seizing control of rural private property.

      These aren't just abuses. They are sustained, entrenched abuse with no recourse and no end in sight. That is tyranny, not just "a shame". It's no wonder people are so frustrated and angry, with insult added to injury by condescending 'elitists' looking down on us denouncing us as nothing but rhetorical extremists. "Venezuela" is not a reason to sink into depression and abandon your career in the name of "shrugging" if these things aren't hitting you now, and neither was the even worse Soviet Union when Ayn Rand was writing, but don't minimize and trivialize what is being done to us just because it isn't (yet) the Soviet Union or Venezuela.
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