Aerosols to reduce global warming?

Posted by rbroberg 3 years, 3 months ago to Science
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Since global warming is the tag in the summer and climate change is in the winter, and since science has not followed its own rules of observation and rigorous experimentation regarding climate change, we can safely say that the following prediction made by Rand in "What Is Capitalism?" is reaching its maturity:

"The disintegration of philosophy in the nineteenth century and its collapse in the twentieth have led to a similar, though much slower and less obvious, process in the course of modern science.

Today’s frantic development in the field of technology has a quality reminiscent of the days preceding the economic crash of 1929: riding on the momentum of the past, on the unacknowledged remnants of an Aristotelian epistemology, it is a hectic, feverish expansion, heedless of the fact that its theoretical account is long since overdrawn—that in the field of scientific theory, unable to integrate or interpret their own data, scientists are abetting the resurgence of a primitive mysticism. In the humanities, however, the crash is past, the depression has set in, and the collapse of science is all but complete.

The clearest evidence of it may be seen in such comparatively young sciences as psychology and political economy [and climate science?]. In psychology, one may observe the attempt to study human behavior without reference to the fact that man is conscious. In political economy, one may observe the attempt to study and to devise social systems without reference to man. [In climate science, one may observe the attempt to rationalize outcomes without appealing to evidence, that is, without reducibility to the data of the senses.]

It is philosophy that defines and establishes the epistemological criteria to guide human knowledge in general and specific sciences in particular."

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  • Posted by Herb7734 3 years, 2 months ago
    What a good post..
    21st century science is trying to pick the fruit without knowing how to seed more plants. Do we need a revision of scientific method in order to incorporate a greater philosophic input which is based on logic and rationality? In the past, that was a given. Today - not so much.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 3 years, 3 months ago
    The climate warming creatures definitely have some sort of blockage in their brains. The problem with specialized science is its lack of integration with vital information from observations and other sciences.

    Climate: we are already on a Grand Solar Minimum climate journey in which we will naturally have more than an abundance of cloud cover; Mother nature seems to have that covered with it's own Aerosols and cosmic rays that will create more than enough clouds to block out sunlight, cool down the troposphere, making growing food difficult and risky and providing a reason for civilizations to collapse just as it has every 400 years since our planet and solar system came on line. (truth with a bit of sarcasm).

    Besides an off kilter scientific philosophy, some (politically and financially motivated) scientist have chosen to ignore the natural cycles known to even, non-conscious bicameral man for 100's of thousands of years.

    Liberal progressive parasitical humanoids do the strangest they not?
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  • Posted by $ Dobrien 3 years, 2 months ago
    From two ice floes, skyceptic "To fully understand the changes to our climate we must know our true solar history (something which has been deliberately kept from us) what is presently happening within our solar system and, perhaps more important, with our sun. If we fail to do so we will remain deeply confused, which leads directly to false trails down dead end rabbit holes. In chapter three you will find trusted information sources that can help you acquire this knowledge.

    There are a number of theories that purport to explain the geoengineering and aerosol programs, some of which are likely organic while others are intentionally developed and planted to keep us confused and away from the truth. Regardless, each of them needs to be considered in light of all of the facts we have and viewed through the revealing lens of psyops. Remember, what is not talked about is often far more important than what is actually discussed. While some theories may be true or even part of larger operations or programs, others can be easily disproven as false, uninformed or intentional disinformation.

    In chapter two we will examine some of these theories and poke holes in them where appropriate. In addition, we need to further explore the use and abuse of the word ‘Chemtrails’, a very broad and indistinct term commonly used to describe all we observe visually and chemically. It may be vitally important to publically abandon the use of this word and use persistent aerosols and non-persistent aerosols instead. The distinction is relevant and will be parsed further in chapter two."
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  • Posted by $ Dobrien 3 years, 3 months ago
    These ignorant geoengineering criminals have been at this for some time now. It is my atmosphere too, leave it the F... Alone. NASA NOAA and the rest have repeatedly change data to show a warming
    When it is not happening.
    The warm up from mid 70's to
    98 occurred at the same time the sunspot activity as very frequent. Now we have a quiet sun and global cooling.See GSM and the Maunder Minimum. Wait till the volcanic activity picks up and we will all long for warming.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 3 years, 3 months ago
    Why am I thinking of Jurassic Park, The Fly and Mary Shelly's Frankenstein?
    I know those are works of fiction but all contain the same "what you can do maybe you shouldn't do" message.
    Or maybe I should also reveal me dino's initial reactionary thought, which was "Using aerosols to reduce global warming strikes me as kinda air-headed."
    Consider how much air there is surrounding this planet.
    Me dino remembers when aerosols were blamed at least in part for global warming.
    I recall a cartoon that shows a group of EcoNazis protesting the exhaust fumes of a farmer's tractor, though it's pulling a plow assembly..
    The defiant farmer stands up on the tractor and lifts high a can of some aerosol product which goes "PSST! PSST!" upward into the air.
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 3 years, 3 months ago
      "Me dino remembers when aerosols were blamed at least in part for global warming."
      I think you're thinking of when propellants used with aersols contributed to a decrease in O3 at the poles. This was not related to global warming. The propellants were changed an the problem went away.

      "Consider how much air there is surrounding this planet."
      Most astronauts only go to low earth orbit, where the earth stretches out below them, still to close to be a sphere. I have heard seeing that thin layer of atmosphere juxtaposed with the size of the earth and vastness of space is striking.

      "The defiant farmer stands up on the tractor and lifts high a can of some aerosol product which goes "PSST! PSST!" upward into the air."
      A defiant world solved the problem, but no matter what throughout history people crop up who trash stuff to make a token statement in favor of vandalism, to provoke a reaction, or for no good reason.
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  • Posted by 1musictime 3 years, 2 months ago
    Climate change is from a cause of Andrew Jackson, the mayor of the planet Pluto. Also getting assitance from the loud voice of Al Gore proclaiming Earth is "our" home. No. Pluto, too, will not accept him.It's okay he's not to attempt The Oort Clouds either.Farther away the greater. He's after to get at home in an alternate universe. It's a world where their words
    "ring" correct.They can attempt to perform banjoes all day.Then their vices can get a meeting with succulent nonsense.The planet Nonsense welcomes them. It's their new home.They can shout "climate change" all day. The laws of physics will cater to their whims there.They can spread their blankets of cheating reality on trains which get from shelters where they conduct their revolts against smartness.Their flags can wave in the neophonic sounds of maelstroms.Their tones ot with their hatred of Earth can cause the winds to carry their words to the depths of their nonsenses and nonsensical refrains of attempts at versions of meteorological democracy.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 3 years, 2 months ago
    Amazing, a solution to a non-problem. Actually, one of my minors years ago included Earth Science. I was asked to change my major to science, because I could my grades were the highest, and the dept. head said I could explain in words what we had studied. In other words, I understood what I had studied! Sadly, I was told most of the majors in the field were unable to do the same. Now, they are running the field, clueless as ever. When they udged the global warming data, and then tried to blames humans, with no mention of what our country and many others were doing to change the ionosphere and jetstream, how can you have a serious discussion with them. I stuck with my English and Philosophy majors, although I do love science - when done right.
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  • Posted by chad 3 years, 2 months ago
    Interesting dichotomy about the human being. He knows instinctively that understanding reality (truth) is important to his survival and learning how to accomplish his needed tasks with the most efficiency will increase his happiness by allowing the use of time not needed for survival to discover other interests that are enjoyable. Yet most men are easily deceived to believing there is an easy (lazy) way to accomplish his goals without effort or at the expense of others as long as he can morally equivocate his actions in the belief that stealing from others is helpful to them.
    Viewing the history of man and projecting forward watching his current attempts at betraying reality and expecting results perhaps the best way to live free is to live unobserved by the masses.
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 3 years, 3 months ago
    I think geoengineering is coming one way or another. Little changes in climate have huge costs and benefits. If, contrary to current understanding we found the human activities were not affecting the climate or were affecting it in beneficial ways, it would still be good to have more understanding a control over the earth.

    It gives me an ancient feeling of Agamemnon walking on the sacred carpet, but I ignore it. There are no gods to displease. We have only our human observations, reason, and abilities.
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    • Posted by 3 years, 3 months ago
      I agree about climate control benefitting humanity. The question is rather one of eminent domain. For example, who has the right to propagate climate effects outside of his sphere of ownership? Just a thought.
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      • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 3 years, 2 months ago
        Not when it's getting cooler and they geoengineer even more coolness duplicating what nature and the cycles are already doing...that's just plain stupidity or outright complicity.
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        Posted by CircuitGuy 3 years, 3 months ago
        "For example, who has the right to propagate climate effects outside of his sphere of ownership? "
        I wonder if there are any models where if we people own land around lake and someone wants to use fertilizer on his grass the runs off into the lake that increases algae making it unsafe to swim in the lake. Other land owners want to do some treatment to reduce algae, counteracting the effects of the fertilizer runoff and making it even better for swimming than it would be without the runoff. The person deploying the fertilizer should have to pay for an amount equal to how much of the cost to others he caused. Whatever system there is for this, it's a prime candidate for gov't to get involved and milk the problem.
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