Wait a minute here, why would you NOT want to have to prove your identity to vote?

Thank you.

Exactly, voter records are pretty much whatever anyone wants them to be, just like voter registration. The fact no one even has touched in all this is some states had you able to register at the polls, and vote "provisionally" with the caveat "we will verify after the election". Right.

The real question is how many times are these "voters" allowed to cancel?

Oh, yes, forcing me to show my papers before I can exercise my rights is "protecting" me. Where have we heard that before?

Generally, but I see this as a law enforcement issue, in terms of corruption in state governments overseeing the voter rolls.

For example, the pilot test carried out in New York, 72% of the voters that cast ballots were known to be deceased at the time. (that is non-public information - I am only aware of that professionally).

I don't personally think there are enough illegal immigrants voting to significantly change an election, as the vast majority are here to work and provide for their families out of desperation. The bigger problem has always been the cemetery turn-out, and deceased get-out-the-vote efforts, which the dems have mastered over the last 40+ years. There is a lot of speculation that JFK was only president because of the cemetery vote.

Dual state registrations also happen, but it's in the range of 10s of thousands - not really ever thought of as being an impact, but when states are won or lost by maybe 20,000 votes, it can make a big impact. Most notable has been liberal San Francisco residents dual-registering in Placer County / Tahoe region as well as in Nevada - typically, they have a timeshare in the Lake Tahoe area and will use it as a voter registration address. Placer County and Nevada are both very "red" but have scant populations, so the 4000 for example that are registered at a a single timeshare address will make a big difference.

The thing that is hilarious is that all of the secretaries of state sell the voter data to political parties and campaigns for a negligible fee. There were a couple of things asked for that do not exist in the voter databases available to campaigns, but overall, it was a fair and normal request. Their stated purpose of use is the rub, not the acquisition of the data.

It s that showing of ID that protects your vote. Without it you can have one person voting 2 or more times in an electronic, or have someone else voting for you.

Illegals have undoubtedly voted, as have dead people. We should know the extent of it so that we all look at the elections as legit. This is more important than the stupid russian collusion investigation

These states are withholding the voter data because they KNOW they didnt do a good job in guaranteeing that only legitimate citizens voted. They are afraid of the result of an investigation. As far as I am concerned, if they want the elections to be viewed as legitimate, they have to release the data.

A Constitutional Convention is to write a new Constitution. A Convention of the States is to propose a or a number of Constitutional Amendments. A Convention of the States has no more power than Congress when it comes to what it propose. Anything passed by the Convention of the States still goes through the same procedure as any amendment passed by Congress. It is the Article 5 remedy for a non-productive or run away Congress guaranteed by our Constitution for the People to have control over an Aristocratic Government.

They are cancelling because they don't want the administration to see that they are registered multiple times!

Not sure if I'll get blown up for this; wouldn't be the first time.

I think states should be able to call the shots for all state and local elections. In general, those elections only affect the local population. The votes I cast for school board member and mayor and state legislator and governor in Indiana don't really affect anyone living in New York or California or Texas. The feds should absolutely keep their political noses out of them.

But when I cast a vote for a Representative or Senator or President, then my vote does affect every person in New York and Texas and California and Puerto Rico and all 46 other states not named Indiana. I believe there needs to be some consistency when it comes to federal elections--both in registration and verification--since every vote cast affects every other person in the country.

And if the feds believe there is voter fraud in a federal election--more votes cast in a congressional district than there are registered voters, for example--then they should be able to investigate for fraud and have access to whatever they need.

But if there are 451 votes cast for a small town mayor for a town that only has 458 residents and 397 registered voters? Feds should not be able to get involved.

The way I see it, there should be one consistent and universal method of registration and voter verification for federal elections.

If the states choose to have different methods for either registration or verification or both, that's ok. More power to them in dealing with the aftermath. If I can sign my name on the inside of a gum wrapper and then I'll be allowed to vote for a county commissioner, fine.

But the standards to vote in a federal election should be much higher and much more closely watched simply because every vote cast in a federal election affects 300 million other people.

It's a purely personal perspective; if someone in another state is casting a vote that affects me, I think I have a reasonable expectation that his/her vote is legally cast. And I think the only way to do that is with federal election registration of some kind.

Oh my God, I just argued in favor of federal oversight. Maybe I should get blown up.

Nickursis,
Please excuse my ignorance but in what ways does a 'Convention of States' differ from a 'Constitutional Convention'?
Thank you.

Yesterday I sent in my one sheet paper voter registration due to my moving from Oregon to New Mexico. (Yes, I know, frying pan to fire simile noted. Don't ask why I'm crazy.)

That simple. I could be from Mars and still vote there. It explains a lot.

They suspect that people are voting in primary and other elections for President and Vice-President, electors for President and Vice-President, and Senators and Representatives in Congress, either (a) when they are not citizens of the United States, hence have no right to vote, or (b) are voting in the names of the dead and the move-outs.

The right to privacy is a non-issue here. The only data requested is publically available data anyway. All resistance to providing it is irrational or indicative of some deception.

It's appalling that I'm forced to show a state-issued ID in order to exercise my right to vote.

Disagree, maybe in your state, but in Oregon, go to local office, register to vote with a piece of mail saying you have power and phone at an address. Get a ballot in mail. Do what you want, mark it up, mail it in with a signature. Mail ballots counted in dark room and results always seem to match whatever party owns that territory. Incredibly suspicious system and you will NEVER get to see proof of what happened beyond a computer printout.

Yes, I know that, so their response is to be expected. But the Dumbocraps have a good hold on a LOT of local level things and they play games at that level. The Republicrats do as well (my own county is a perfect example). But Oregon is a good example of what you see : Local Republicrats in a lot of Counties, but for some reason, a Dumbocrap state level, with a death grip on the voters by owning the large population centers controlled by people with a vested interest in keeping them in power through PERS systems and giveaway programs. It becomes a dysfunctional mess, each party jiggering things for their own advantage, and voter rolls is a primary tool they mess with.

The frustration people have is that Dumbocrap legislatures have allowed and gerrymandered the system to allow anyone with some form of ID, and in some cases none, to register and vote in the corrupt notion they will vote for them. This program and weakness of our system is one weapon the "Reconquer California, AZ and NM" groups are using.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconqu...

The corruption at the local level is immense, AJ. They keep tweaking the system more and more to allow THEM to decide the outcome. It goes for both parties, as I saw a Republican election where a newcomer beat an incumbent for County Commissioner, by 512 votes, then, after several recounts, lost by 12. Really? You would trust any part of government, local or federal? The voter shenanigans have gone of for a LONG time, remember Dailey? "Vote Early and Often". There is not transparency, and the vote by mail thing is so corrupt as to not be funny anymore. Those "numbers" come from a poisoned well, so the "freely available" information is so suspect. I agree they are looking for what is already there, but crap is crap.

Basically, is not a person who is not a citizen, who is allowed by a state to register to vote (and that would include ALL elections, State and Federal), allowing people in rebellion to register? The Constitution did not envisage the problem, which is why a Convention of States is needed, as that is one issue on the table already.

Does the executive branch have the power to investigate violations of federal law that the executive branch is responsible to uphold?

Hello Mike,
Your citings are valid and I do not disagree.

As I said in my own post below, the information being requested is essentially information the fedgov already has. The purpose of this request is to match whats in the governments record with what the state is showing up on voting rolls. Determining who is live and legit and who is fraudulent and a fantasy voter must be the first step in assuring the vote is accurate and fair, no? As stated in my post, there is no anonymity in voting for a variety of reasons. This whole matter is just a distraction.

What I find sadly not surprising is the RINOs and CINOs who think that the federal government is not over-reaching its powers on this. If the shoe were on the other foot... The Constitution plainly says that the States define qualifications for voting, even when the Constitution defines the qualifications for voting for federal office.

Article I Section 2
"... the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature." Could be you have to own at least two penguins, but it is not the business of the federal government.

The same wording - "most numerous branch of the State Legislature" - appears also in the XVII Amendment.

Article II Section 1 (The electoral college)
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct ... (and here in Texas you must own at least two penguins.)

Article XIV Section 2
(Again, federal issues, but the fundamentals remain with the states. The states can deny the right to vote and can grant it to those previously in rebellion, but must suffer a proportionate loss of representation in Congress.

The XIX, XXIV and XXVI amendments (women, Poll Tax and 18-year old voters) all specify that this applies only to federalelections. And, in fact, the XXIV Amendment says that you cannot be denied your right to vote in a federal election just because you refuse to pay your taxes.

I fail to see where the federal government gets the power to demand voter rolls and records -- unless they suspect that children under 18 who were in rebellion were voting...