Colorado Voters Are Canceling Their Registrations After Trump Request For Voter Data

Posted by $ nickursis 6 years, 8 months ago to Government
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I am not sure where I am on this, on one hand you have a right to privacy, on the other, the democrats have manipulated the voter rules, requirements and qualifications to the point that almost anyone can sign up some-where's with no proof they even have the right to vote. Of course whatever it is, it gets manipulated depending on what the news outlet wants you to believe...
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  • Posted by $ rainman0720 6 years, 8 months ago
    Not sure if I'll get blown up for this; wouldn't be the first time.

    I think states should be able to call the shots for all state and local elections. In general, those elections only affect the local population. The votes I cast for school board member and mayor and state legislator and governor in Indiana don't really affect anyone living in New York or California or Texas. The feds should absolutely keep their political noses out of them.

    But when I cast a vote for a Representative or Senator or President, then my vote does affect every person in New York and Texas and California and Puerto Rico and all 46 other states not named Indiana. I believe there needs to be some consistency when it comes to federal elections--both in registration and verification--since every vote cast affects every other person in the country.

    And if the feds believe there is voter fraud in a federal election--more votes cast in a congressional district than there are registered voters, for example--then they should be able to investigate for fraud and have access to whatever they need.

    But if there are 451 votes cast for a small town mayor for a town that only has 458 residents and 397 registered voters? Feds should not be able to get involved.

    The way I see it, there should be one consistent and universal method of registration and voter verification for federal elections.

    If the states choose to have different methods for either registration or verification or both, that's ok. More power to them in dealing with the aftermath. If I can sign my name on the inside of a gum wrapper and then I'll be allowed to vote for a county commissioner, fine.

    But the standards to vote in a federal election should be much higher and much more closely watched simply because every vote cast in a federal election affects 300 million other people.

    It's a purely personal perspective; if someone in another state is casting a vote that affects me, I think I have a reasonable expectation that his/her vote is legally cast. And I think the only way to do that is with federal election registration of some kind.

    Oh my God, I just argued in favor of federal oversight. Maybe I should get blown up.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 8 months ago
      No, your argument is perfectly valid in my view, as it is concurrent logically. The equal requirements means all 50 states have to have the same level of proof for an election impacting them, your "gum wrapper theory means that local area lives with their results (although when you have a state run by non citizens, that could become a Federal issue). The whole "you are preventing (insert special interest group her) from voting, is BS of a super chunky kind, as the requirements should be what is required to get on a plane. If I need 2 forms of ID to get on a plane, then I should to vote. Make the whole thing concurrent across the board and it would help. The issue gets worse when you start the "easy voter programs" like vote by mail, as they can never keep track of who is still alive or there. You need to have to have some positive form of control at each election, not just once. If you vote by mail, then you should have drop off places and prove who you are when you get you ballot dropped off.
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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 8 months ago
    These states are withholding the voter data because they KNOW they didnt do a good job in guaranteeing that only legitimate citizens voted. They are afraid of the result of an investigation. As far as I am concerned, if they want the elections to be viewed as legitimate, they have to release the data.
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  • Posted by TheOriginalBadBob 6 years, 8 months ago
    The right to privacy is a non-issue here. The only data requested is publically available data anyway. All resistance to providing it is irrational or indicative of some deception.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 8 months ago
    I bet the one's canceling their registrations are the dead, the illegals and the fictitious...oh, and probably some paranoid dopers...lot's of that goin around there now days.

    When I was at Fort Carson, I lived off base in a town called Manitou Springs...we called it: Marijuana Springs...even the town council and Mayer were dopers.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 8 months ago
      I would think anyone who is not legal would want their info scrubbed before the feds get it. That was part of my questioning "is this really real, or the people who shouldn't be voting, bailing out"?
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      • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 8 months ago
        I would go back to your statement about: depending on which news channel it came from.

        I was surprised to read this, I hadn't seen it in the 100+ news mails I get everyday.

        Post Script; different subject: Check out my new post...Global warming going down!...I think you'll like it.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 6 years, 8 months ago
    The thing that is hilarious is that all of the secretaries of state sell the voter data to political parties and campaigns for a negligible fee. There were a couple of things asked for that do not exist in the voter databases available to campaigns, but overall, it was a fair and normal request. Their stated purpose of use is the rub, not the acquisition of the data.
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  • Posted by NealS 6 years, 8 months ago
    Great, the fewer Colorado voters that actually vote, the better our government could get. Great job President Trump, can you find something that will work on the left and right coast? Seems we need a license these days to do almost anything, but apparently they don't need to legal or conform with the actual laws that require them. Somehow the left will turn this into another distraction from their real agenda.
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  • Posted by dukem 6 years, 8 months ago
    Yesterday I sent in my one sheet paper voter registration due to my moving from Oregon to New Mexico. (Yes, I know, frying pan to fire simile noted. Don't ask why I'm crazy.)

    That simple. I could be from Mars and still vote there. It explains a lot.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 8 months ago
      Exactly, voter records are pretty much whatever anyone wants them to be, just like voter registration. The fact no one even has touched in all this is some states had you able to register at the polls, and vote "provisionally" with the caveat "we will verify after the election". Right.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 6 years, 8 months ago
    What I find sadly not surprising is the RINOs and CINOs who think that the federal government is not over-reaching its powers on this. If the shoe were on the other foot... The Constitution plainly says that the States define qualifications for voting, even when the Constitution defines the qualifications for voting for federal office.

    Article I Section 2
    "... the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature." Could be you have to own at least two penguins, but it is not the business of the federal government.

    The same wording - "most numerous branch of the State Legislature" - appears also in the XVII Amendment.

    Article II Section 1 (The electoral college)
    Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct ... (and here in Texas you must own at least two penguins.)

    Article XIV Section 2
    (Again, federal issues, but the fundamentals remain with the states. The states can deny the right to vote and can grant it to those previously in rebellion, but must suffer a proportionate loss of representation in Congress.

    The XIX, XXIV and XXVI amendments (women, Poll Tax and 18-year old voters) all specify that this applies only to federalelections. And, in fact, the XXIV Amendment says that you cannot be denied your right to vote in a federal election just because you refuse to pay your taxes.

    I fail to see where the federal government gets the power to demand voter rolls and records -- unless they suspect that children under 18 who were in rebellion were voting...
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    • Posted by scojohnson 6 years, 8 months ago
      Generally, but I see this as a law enforcement issue, in terms of corruption in state governments overseeing the voter rolls.

      For example, the pilot test carried out in New York, 72% of the voters that cast ballots were known to be deceased at the time. (that is non-public information - I am only aware of that professionally).

      I don't personally think there are enough illegal immigrants voting to significantly change an election, as the vast majority are here to work and provide for their families out of desperation. The bigger problem has always been the cemetery turn-out, and deceased get-out-the-vote efforts, which the dems have mastered over the last 40+ years. There is a lot of speculation that JFK was only president because of the cemetery vote.

      Dual state registrations also happen, but it's in the range of 10s of thousands - not really ever thought of as being an impact, but when states are won or lost by maybe 20,000 votes, it can make a big impact. Most notable has been liberal San Francisco residents dual-registering in Placer County / Tahoe region as well as in Nevada - typically, they have a timeshare in the Lake Tahoe area and will use it as a voter registration address. Placer County and Nevada are both very "red" but have scant populations, so the 4000 for example that are registered at a a single timeshare address will make a big difference.
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    • Posted by Temlakos 6 years, 8 months ago
      They suspect that people are voting in primary and other elections for President and Vice-President, electors for President and Vice-President, and Senators and Representatives in Congress, either (a) when they are not citizens of the United States, hence have no right to vote, or (b) are voting in the names of the dead and the move-outs.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 8 months ago
      Basically, is not a person who is not a citizen, who is allowed by a state to register to vote (and that would include ALL elections, State and Federal), allowing people in rebellion to register? The Constitution did not envisage the problem, which is why a Convention of States is needed, as that is one issue on the table already.
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      • Posted by $ mpgmr 6 years, 8 months ago
        Nickursis,
        Please excuse my ignorance but in what ways does a 'Convention of States' differ from a 'Constitutional Convention'?
        Thank you.
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        • Posted by gpecaut 6 years, 8 months ago
          A Constitutional Convention is to write a new Constitution. A Convention of the States is to propose a or a number of Constitutional Amendments. A Convention of the States has no more power than Congress when it comes to what it propose. Anything passed by the Convention of the States still goes through the same procedure as any amendment passed by Congress. It is the Article 5 remedy for a non-productive or run away Congress guaranteed by our Constitution for the People to have control over an Aristocratic Government.
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          • Posted by $ 6 years, 8 months ago
            Exactly, although the real test will come AFTER the Convention, as I am sure the political machine will stop all attempts at passing the changes, because most of them will be very bad for them. But we must use the tools we have at hand....and try to make it work.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 8 months ago
      Does the executive branch have the power to investigate violations of federal law that the executive branch is responsible to uphold?
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      • Posted by term2 6 years, 8 months ago
        Illegals have undoubtedly voted, as have dead people. We should know the extent of it so that we all look at the elections as legit. This is more important than the stupid russian collusion investigation
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    • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 6 years, 8 months ago
      Hello Mike,
      Your citings are valid and I do not disagree.

      As I said in my own post below, the information being requested is essentially information the fedgov already has. The purpose of this request is to match whats in the governments record with what the state is showing up on voting rolls. Determining who is live and legit and who is fraudulent and a fantasy voter must be the first step in assuring the vote is accurate and fair, no? As stated in my post, there is no anonymity in voting for a variety of reasons. This whole matter is just a distraction.
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      • Posted by $ 6 years, 8 months ago
        The frustration people have is that Dumbocrap legislatures have allowed and gerrymandered the system to allow anyone with some form of ID, and in some cases none, to register and vote in the corrupt notion they will vote for them. This program and weakness of our system is one weapon the "Reconquer California, AZ and NM" groups are using.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconqu...

        The corruption at the local level is immense, AJ. They keep tweaking the system more and more to allow THEM to decide the outcome. It goes for both parties, as I saw a Republican election where a newcomer beat an incumbent for County Commissioner, by 512 votes, then, after several recounts, lost by 12. Really? You would trust any part of government, local or federal? The voter shenanigans have gone of for a LONG time, remember Dailey? "Vote Early and Often". There is not transparency, and the vote by mail thing is so corrupt as to not be funny anymore. Those "numbers" come from a poisoned well, so the "freely available" information is so suspect. I agree they are looking for what is already there, but crap is crap.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 6 years, 8 months ago
    I bet many if not most of the cancellations are by Democrats who have been convinced by the media that Trump is an evil fascist who is trying to target them. The left wing's paranoia is coming back to bite them big time!
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 6 years, 8 months ago
    My understanding is that the fedgov (not defending) is asking for information it already has obtained. The reason it wants conformation by the state voter rolls is to compare who is actually alive and a legitimate voter.

    This is a BS issue anyway. There is no privacy when voting.

    Consider:
    When one goes to vote you likely already have a voter ID card, you then sign in on a paper that already has your name which also has a number associated with the line your signing on and a line for the time of signing, each voting sheet already has a number assigned to it. So, they know when you walk in, who you are, which form you used, and what time you fed that form into the reader for tabulation. Does anyone really think those DOTs or LINES on that voting ballot aren't automatically read by the machine, that the ballot number isn't recorded with that information, and that all of that info isn't attached to your sign-in?

    This story is a distraction, nothing more.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 8 months ago
      Disagree, maybe in your state, but in Oregon, go to local office, register to vote with a piece of mail saying you have power and phone at an address. Get a ballot in mail. Do what you want, mark it up, mail it in with a signature. Mail ballots counted in dark room and results always seem to match whatever party owns that territory. Incredibly suspicious system and you will NEVER get to see proof of what happened beyond a computer printout.
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      • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 6 years, 8 months ago
        Hello Nickursis,
        I see your point. I know well how it works here in Arizona but not in every other state. There should be some basic uniformity in voting credentials common to all 50 states. Arizona is more right leaning and Constitutional, I sometimes forget that common sense isn't that common..
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        • Posted by $ 6 years, 8 months ago
          There you go AJ, right on target. The states with common sense see no issue overall with identifying yourself with something real, to vote, the Progressive states are the ones trying to muddy everything with "bring a note from mom and vote" policies.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 6 years, 8 months ago
    Well, good golly gee whiz, yawn, some hundreds of someone must have something to hide.
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    • Posted by slfisher 6 years, 8 months ago
      Is that what you say when the cops show up without a warrant or the government wants to tap your phone? "Oh, it's fine, because I have nothing to hide"?

      Sorry, if the government is demanding my personal information, I want to know what they want it for.
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 6 years, 8 months ago
        This is just too freaking obvious~
        I never committed voter fraud.
        Ta da! There, all done.
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        • Posted by slfisher 6 years, 8 months ago
          So as long as you believe you're innocent, you don't mind people searching your stuff? Interesting.
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          • Posted by $ allosaur 6 years, 8 months ago
            One thing I don't mind is presenting a picture ID every time I vote. Something crooked Eric Holder called racist.
            And more seriously routing out voter fraud is something I'd be more than happy to help out with.
            The idea of investigating voter fraud is the last thing the Jackass Party would care to consider for some obvious reason.
            I'd have a problem with people coming into my house and counting my guns.
            It's not the same thing as letting dead people and illegals vote for presidents.
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            • Posted by slfisher 6 years, 8 months ago
              In Idaho, we had a big outcry here when the government wanted to make people's gun and hunting records public. I see my voting data as at least as important as the data about my firearms.
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              • Posted by $ allosaur 6 years, 8 months ago
                Well, I don't.
                I vote only one time in one place.
                I'm more than happy to help isolate and identify fraudsters who vote more times and in more places than I do~
                ~as well as those who should not be voting at all such as ex-cons, illegals and the walking dead.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 6 years, 8 months ago
    Everything governmental is corrupt. Why would one think the election process is any different?

    I quit voting a long time ago. I equate it to a monkey pushing a button in a scientific experiment...only with less impact on society.
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  • Posted by chad 6 years, 8 months ago
    Voting and participating in a socialist communist democracy amounts to nothing when the leaders respond to those who write checks not those who write letters, complain (whine), and threaten to vote them out of office which almost never happens.
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  • Posted by slfisher 6 years, 8 months ago
    It's appalling that I'm forced to show a state-issued ID in order to exercise my right to vote.
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    • Posted by gpecaut 6 years, 8 months ago
      It s that showing of ID that protects your vote. Without it you can have one person voting 2 or more times in an electronic, or have someone else voting for you.
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      • Posted by slfisher 6 years, 8 months ago
        Oh, yes, forcing me to show my papers before I can exercise my rights is "protecting" me. Where have we heard that before?
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        • Posted by $ 6 years, 8 months ago
          Also, just to show how "hard" it is, and dysfunctional, I had to pay 55.00 to get a certified copy of my birth certificate, to get my drivers license in Oregon renewed. Yet they have provisions for "non white" people to use bill statements etc to get the same license. Their justification is that they may not be able to get a copy from another country. Really? That is why you should be happy there is at least some requirement. Although in Oregon, you can register once with a license, then they never, ever check on you again, it has been 20 years since I registered and they still send me ballots. I could have move to Florida 15 years ago and they would never know, since it is all vote by mail. I can easily see tens of thousands of "voters" voting here with no body attached to the pen.
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        • Posted by $ 6 years, 8 months ago
          Wait a minute here, why would you NOT want to have to prove your identity to vote?
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          • Posted by slfisher 6 years, 8 months ago
            Because I'm much more worried about my government restricting my ability to vote than the imaginary case of someone pretending to be me to vote. Everyone around here knows me anyway.
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            • Posted by gpecaut 6 years, 8 months ago
              Sorry, but 12 years ago when I went to vote, I was told I can't vote twice. You see, someone had already cast MY vote. I am absolutely for showing ID at the polls. After all, you have to have ID to buy a gun, and that is a right too.
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            • Posted by $ 6 years, 8 months ago
              How does the government restrict your ability to vote by requiring you to have an ID of some kind? I understand the issue of any ID requirement as anethema, but when you have a nation o such porous borders as ours, and the long history of "allowing" the poor people to become voters with no proof, they have now tainted the system to where anyone can vote with no citizenship at all. Might as well allow anyone on the world to vote in our elections then.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 8 months ago
    Article is quoting reports from Denver and Boulder, both heavily Democrat that went for Hitlery.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 8 months ago
      Yes, I know that, so their response is to be expected. But the Dumbocraps have a good hold on a LOT of local level things and they play games at that level. The Republicrats do as well (my own county is a perfect example). But Oregon is a good example of what you see : Local Republicrats in a lot of Counties, but for some reason, a Dumbocrap state level, with a death grip on the voters by owning the large population centers controlled by people with a vested interest in keeping them in power through PERS systems and giveaway programs. It becomes a dysfunctional mess, each party jiggering things for their own advantage, and voter rolls is a primary tool they mess with.
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