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Solar Minimum: The Sun Is Getting Quieter and Is Displaying Some Very Weird Behavior

Posted by $ nickursis 8 years ago to Science
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Several people in the Gulch hve mentioned this, and a whole slew of You Tubers have videos on it going back a few years. I gues the question is: does it impact climate change? Is the increased variations in solar output to blame, maybe there has been a small increase in output not identified? These are all things I would like to see addressed before I would jump in on the greenhouse bandwagon, along with a complete explanation of why, if CO2 is climing to huge levels, are certain nations allowed to destroy some of the great CO2 absorption machines (like the Amazon rainforest) with nothng being said, no action taken, but "evil" man always the culprit for producing it? Maybe I am too simplistic but...


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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I believe you are covering the Maunder Minimum:

    The Maunder Minimum, also known as the "prolonged sunspot minimum", is the name used for the period starting in about 1645 and continuing to about 1715 when sunspots became exceedingly rare, as noted by solar observers of the time.

    The term was introduced after John A. Eddy[1] published a landmark 1976 paper in Science.[2] Astronomers before Eddy had also named the period after the solar astronomers Annie Russell Maunder (1868–1947) and E. Walter Maunder (1851–1928), who studied how sunspot latitudes changed with time.[3] The period which the husband and wife team examined included the second half of the 17th century.

    Two papers were published in Edward Maunder's name in 1890[4] and 1894,[5] and he cited earlier papers written by Gustav Spörer.[6] Because Annie Maunder had not received a university degree (due to restrictions at the time), her contribution was not then publicly recognized.[7]

    Spörer noted that, during a 28-year period (1672–1699) within the Maunder Minimum, observations revealed fewer than 50 sunspots. This contrasts with the typical 40,000–50,000 sunspots seen in modern times.[8]

    Like the Dalton Minimum and Spörer Minimum, the Maunder Minimum coincided with a period of lower-than-average European temperatures.

    Ref:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder...
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    At present, the only thing coming in from the left is obfuscation.
    And you know how I eschew obfuscation.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Really like that last part, "snowflakes/snowplows"...perfectly poignant!
    Which brings about the reality ignored and promulgated by the left as a distraction from that reality.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Old guys like me tend to shrug the problems off. The USA has the least to worry about, but people panic easily nowadays. Too many snowflakes, not enough snowplows.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Flaring sunspots in our direction have a tendency to block cosmic radiation, so we have less clouding that affords heat transfer.

    Here is an interesting point CG; The sun is still producing sunspots and they still flair...just not in our direction. The position of Jupiter and Saturn seem to play a role in this cycle, perhaps together, providing a stronger electromagnetic pull upon the sun than our relationship with the sun.
    I am thinking that these events are instigated by an occultation of normal relationships or the addition of a new or re-occurring cyclical relationships as we make our way around the Milky way in procession. It's likely that because everything is moving at different rates dependent upon position in the galaxy our system aligns with different entities from time to time.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The influx of cosmic radiation, electron bombardments, magnetic shield and atmospheric compression events seem to play havoc with the brains of the unaware. That is not to say that Conscious humans don't have a tough time as well, especially with physical health issues but Conscious folk, have access to a mind that helps control the temptations of the bicameral brain.
    We can look back in history and find a lot of bizarre stuff going on with humanity and humanoids during these events.
    The biggest problems are food production which has played a major role in the collapse of civilizations and societies in the past.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My most humble apologies, Master! I shall never speak to Master again in such a presumptuous manner! Please accept this whip with which to beat me for this insolence!
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  • Posted by $ Suzanne43 7 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Mmm, April Fool's Day. Leave it to you, Dino and Henny Penny to figure the exact time. Thanks for the advance notice...
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  • Posted by fosterj717 7 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I see that Nickursus has provided backup information for you. This is a great place to start and there will be much more I am sure!
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  • Posted by fosterj717 7 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agreed! Just trying to be a little less confrontational about the presentation of facts regarding the science.....You are absolutely correct however that this is agenda driven ploy that is designed to destroy the industrial democracies (Antonio Gramsci). It is also just a tool that the hard left is using to confuse and frighten a basically naive and "under educated" world population so that control can be grabbed in the name of the public good (and the redistribution of wealth can continue unabated).......
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    For the last, it would seem precession does play a part, if just because it does change the angle of sun exposure over time. As far as clouds go, that does seem somewhat off, as they do restrict radiational cooling, but also reflect (the albedo effect) sunlight, but as someone pointed out, in a specific bandwidth. The Venus theory also has seen some changes, as I saw some research that blamed it's condition not on it's CO2 content, but on it's inability to produce O2 enough to offset it, and they pointed to the fact that organic life was the only thing that saved earth from a similar peril. Bottom line I think is that there is such a complex relationship between all the factors, that one thing may tip the scales in one direction or another, like the proverbial horseshoe nail.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The heat retained by the clouds is not going to make up for the cooling from clouds.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "They had to dance around the announcement for fear of attracting the ire of the global warming thought police."
    Is science really that politicized? Is there some other political "police" who represent everyone who wants to live an industrial lifestyle and wishes the anthropogenic portion of global warming were insignificant or zero? Do you suspect there is similar politics in other areas, like studying the merits of aggressively treating high cholesterol and high blood pressure. It would hurt drug companies if it were found a third factor causes those conditions so just treating the symptom has less effect. Am I naive to think most scientists would love to find something that upends the current understanding?

    "more clouds, increasing reflectivity. Makes for cooler planet "
    I thought the increased albedo was offset by decreased radiational cooling at night, so more clouds meant a step closer to Venus-like conditions.

    " I haven't seen any good theories as to why we have periodic ice ages."
    That's surprising. I thought it was because precession changed the phase difference between the summer solstice in the hemisphere with most land mass (currently the Northern) and the earth's orbit's perigee. I figured that was simplistic but the basically the primary cause. If scientists don't have a good model for the ice ages or the glacial maxima/minima with the current ice age, that's surprising.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The procession of the equinox is a result of the movement of the earth in the galactic plane and ties in with many, many ancient sites, and societies. The temples placed in many places on the earth thousands of years ago were usually aligned with various points at specific times of the year to allow for calendar keeping and knowing when the climate would change. The Maya were incredibly well versed in their science and calendar. IT does all tie together over a long time of various cultures. So where did all that come from is the question.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well the solar position in precession is also discussed in Graham Hancocks work and he also brings up some of the other impacts on the environment as well. Issues seem to have been documented in stone going back thousands of years.
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