Christiana Figueres Climate Manifesto

Posted by $ Temlakos 4 years, 5 months ago to Politics
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Christiana Figueres, writing in Nature, delivered her manifesto--and declaration of emergency. Within three years, says she, if carbon emissions do not start to trend negative, the world will then be beyond all help. But--as usual--she gives no specifics on what people ought to do. That leaves us wide-open to any draconian "emergency measure" she cares to decree.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 4 years, 5 months ago
    Whose resources pay her salary and others trying to destroy free markets and individual liberty?
    When do we stop supporting our enemies' efforts to enslave us?
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    • Posted by $ 4 years, 5 months ago
      Those are your UN dues at work. The more reason to withdraw from it.
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      • Posted by $ Dobrien 4 years, 5 months ago
        ”Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”
        Maurice Strong,
        Founder of the UN Environmental Fund
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        • Posted by $ 4 years, 5 months ago
          Hoooo, boy. If you could scare up a supporting link for that quote, you would advance the cause of liberty immensely. We have more at stake than a personality cult based on Christiana Figueres, Rajendra Pachauri, or anyone else. A quote like this shows the very high prevalence of the disease of "we don't want to live; we want you to die" collectivism.
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          • Posted by $ Dobrien 4 years, 5 months ago
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            • Posted by JimboWriter 4 years, 5 months ago
              Nice set of scary quotes, thanks!
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              • Posted by ewv 4 years, 5 months ago
                Understanding him takes more than 'scary quotes' from searching that turns up out of context and unsourced quotes and opinion on conservative sites.
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                • Posted by $ Dobrien 4 years, 5 months ago
                  From his web site and his address in Rio 1992

                  We also need new ways of financing environment and development objectives. For example, emission permits that are tradeable internationally offer a means of making the most cost-effective use of funds devoted to pollution control while at the same time providing a non-budgetary means of effecting resource transfers. Taxes on polluting products or activities, like the C02 taxes now being levied or proposed by a number of countries, could also be devoted to financing of international environment and development measures. While none of these promising measures may be ripe for definitive action at this Conference, I would urge the Conference to put them on the priority agenda for the early post-Rio period.


                  Poverty
                  The devastating drought in southern Africa and the continuing plight of the victims of conflict and poverty in so many African countries are a grim reminder of the need for the world community to give special priority to the needs of Africa and to the least-developed countries everywhere. The tragedy is that poverty and hunger persist in a world never better able to eliminate them. This is surely a denial of the moral and ethical basis of our civilization as well as a threat to its survival.

                  Is this your philosophy as well EWV?
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                  • Posted by ewv 4 years, 5 months ago
                    Is it yours? Stop making stupid insinuations. You lack objectivity.
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                    • Posted by $ Dobrien 4 years, 5 months ago
                      Weak answer. You state that understanding him is more than an out of context quotes. My response was this former kakistratic UNGlobalist self proclaimed socialists speech in Rio 92. Shows the looting and how he intended to collect in addition to the desire to compel all to support Africa's disasters.
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                      • Posted by ewv 4 years, 5 months ago
                        You said "Is this your philosophy?" You know very well that it isn't. Control your rhetoric. The out of context quotes on hysterical conservative blogs do not demonstrate that he wants to destroy all of industrial civilization. That is not a "weak answer".
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                        • Posted by $ Dobrien 4 years, 5 months ago
                          Funny you said this on a post that included Strongs Qoute
                          Posted by ewv 5 months, 2 weeks ago
                          It isn't just fools with dysfunctional brains. They are spreading an evil, misanthropic philosophy attributing intrinsic value to nature, to be regarded as superior to man. That is much worse than just being fools. It's deliberate. To imply that they have poorly functioning brains lets them off the hook for responsibility for what they are doing. Cognitive determinism is not causing this.
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                          You responded over twenty times and not once did you complain about out of context quotes.
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                • Posted by $ 4 years, 5 months ago
                  All right, then, suppose you explain it.

                  Are you trying to make the case that the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is a Tragedy of the Commons on a grand scale?

                  Or just what case are you trying to make?
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                  • Posted by ewv 4 years, 5 months ago
                    He's an envirochondriac and a welfare state socialist. He didn't say that he wants all of industrial civilization to collapse. The controls they want out of fear could very likely lead to that if pursued consistently, but understanding what they are after and why does not come from hysterical conservative blogs with "scary" out of context quotes and fictional descriptions.
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        • Posted by Lucky 4 years, 5 months ago
          Dobrien and ewv-
          A quick internet search of the usual sources brings up the following two quotes of Maurice Strong,

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          1. What if a small group of world leaders were to conclude that the principal
          risk to the Earth comes from the actions of the rich countries? And if the world
          is to survive, those rich countries would have to sign an agreement reducing
          their impact on the environment. Will they do it? The group's conclusion is 'no'.
          The rich countries won't do it. They won't change. So, in order to save the
          planet, the group decides: Isn't the only hope for the planet that the
          industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?
          Maurice Strong in a 1992 interview concerning a book he would like to write.
          In Gibson, Donald. Environmentalism: ideology and power. pg. 95

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          2. If we don't change, our species will not survive... Frankly, we may get to the point
          where the only way of saving the world will be for industrial civilization to collapse.
          Maurice Strong, September 1, 1997 edition of National Review magazine
          On the face of it, this is his opinion.
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          My comment- quote 1 is a sort of a plot line line for book. From just that it not certain what he thinks. However quote 2, and several similar, are good evidence that he wants industrial civilization to collapse
          and this is what he advocates.
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        • Posted by ewv 4 years, 5 months ago
          Strong was musing about a plot for a potential novel.
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          • Posted by $ Dobrien 4 years, 5 months ago
            ] Strong later said that growing up during the Depression radicalized him and that he considered himself to be "a socialist in ideology, a capitalist in methodology." He dropped out of high school at the age of 14 and did not go to college. Despite the lack of formal education, he was able to become CEO of many companies.
            Among them Maurice Strong was a director of Molten Metal Technology, Inc., an environmental technology company founded in 1989 that claimed to have innovative technology that could be used to recycle hazardous waste into reusable products. During the years 1992-1995, this innovation attracted approximately $25 million in research grants from the United States Department of Energy. Throughout the period of March 28, 1995 – October 18, 1996, (known as the “class period”), Molten Metal artificially inflated the price of their stock by materially misrepresenting the capability of its technology, namely through a series of public announcements. As of March 11, 1996 Strong owned approximately 40,000 shares of stock and another 262,000 shares were owned by a company of which Strong was Chairman.[21] The company filed for bankruptcy and the case was settled for $11.8 million, without a ruling of wrongdoing.[22]
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            • Posted by $ 4 years, 5 months ago
              That is the most damning thing of all. Maurice Strong reminds me very much of Wesley Mouch from Atlas Shrugged, or Ellsworth Monkton Toohey in The Fountainhead. In fact, I've seen a portrait of him, and it reminds me more than a little of the actor they found to portray him in the King Vidor film adaptation of that novel.

              (Not that I would have cast that particular actor to play EMT. I would have cast John Fiedler.)
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          • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 4 years, 5 months ago
            When I first looked up his bio and found that he wanted all people to be jammed into the cities, no property and limited, if any, travel.
            Kind of reminded me of the transitions I saw in the early sixties in the Northeast.

            WhoTF did this creature thing he was...limiting mankind will only lead to limited, if any, creation of value.
            Novel or not...he was the most vial creature in existence...do not rest in peace. Unfortunately...many other equally vile creatures follow in his slimy foot steps.
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            • Posted by $ 4 years, 5 months ago
              That's Agenda 21. More than jamming them into cities, he wanted us all to live in mixed-use buildings--"dingbat dorms" I call them, after the apartments-above-parking-garages you see in Los Angeles.
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              • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 4 years, 5 months ago
                Yep, exactly what they did in Rode Island in the 60's.

                I am sure your are aware...it is now called: Agenda 2030
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                • Posted by $ 4 years, 5 months ago
                  21, 2030, what's the difference if the content is the same?
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                  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 4 years, 5 months ago
                    Exactly but it does show tellingly, like all plans of mice and not men, that they haven't quite made the "Progress" they had hoped...seems Conscious Humans have put a bit of a monkey wrench into the works...poor babies...sniff snuff.
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                    • Posted by $ 4 years, 5 months ago
                      If you mean, by electing Donald J. Trump, against every prediction by Novaya Pravda - excuse me - The New York Times, I would agree. But if I were in the Senate, I'd push for a seat on the Environment and Public Works Committee. Then I would urge its Chairman to hale Michael Mann before it and demand an explanation--or at least a Chi-Square assessment, or Student's t test--of why observations do not meet expectations.
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          • Posted by $ 4 years, 5 months ago
            You know, I have to say something, and I know I'm going to risk a sanction from administration for saying it. After all, I know we're not supposed to attack one another personally.

            I don't know you nearly well enough to do a thing like that. But I can judge the plausibility of anything somebody says.

            And I have to tell you: that is the lamest excuse for a faux pas that I have ever heard: musing about a plot for a potential novel? Funny: Maurice Strong does not have a bibilography in fiction. His bibliography is in collectivistic exposition.

            Tell you what: why don't you follow this search result:

            https://www.ixquick.com/do/search?que...

            and tell us what you think. You'll see that "musing about a plot for a potential novel" was the last thing on his mind.
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            • Posted by ewv 4 years, 5 months ago
              It is a fact that the quote is from an interview in which he described an idea for a novel. He didn't say he wants industrial civilization to collapse. He got the idea because he is an envirochondriac who is afraid that could happen, not because he was predicting or desiring it. Instead of hysterically personally attacking people without regard for the reasons you should not, please show some objectivity.
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              • Posted by $ 4 years, 5 months ago
                Where did you get that story? That quote is from a speech he gave at the Rio Earth Summit, and you know it!
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                • Posted by ewv 4 years, 5 months ago
                  The quote is from an interview, which you can find for yourself. He has referred to a collapse of all of industrial civilization in other statements I have seen, but none of which say that he desires it. He is bad enough without spreading exaggerations.
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                  • Posted by $ 4 years, 5 months ago
                    All right. Further examination of the site Wikiquote and other sites make the source of the quote less than clear. This much does emerge: he never wrote fiction, unless you count his climate-change work as fiction (on the order of Why Do You Think You Think? by Floyd Ferris in Atlas Shrugged). Someone might have tried to say he was speculating about writing a novel. In fact he was speculating, whether in a speech or in a private interview, about bringing about the collapse of industrialized civilization as a necessary step to deal with what he was selling as an emergency to the planet.

                    Further research says he was a UN bureaucrat--and a self-dealing con artist--all his adult life. He lived his last days in China in flight from the law, after the UN Oil for Food scandal blew up.

                    https://climatism.wordpress.com/2013/...
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  • Posted by Herb7734 4 years, 5 months ago
    In the 70's we should be covered in ice by now,in the 90's we should be underwater, in the Millennium the water has all dried by now, and in the Millennial teens, probably all of the above by now. What saddens me is not so much that persons who know not and know not that they no not, but that there are a lot of persons who believe and follow them.
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    • Posted by ewv 4 years, 5 months ago
      They are emotional lemmings following a crowd. It's a result of a combination of lack of objectivity in thinking and the content of the viro premises of nature as an intrinsic value under attack by man. In 19th century Germany where the ecology movement started they were paranoid about erosion.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 4 years, 5 months ago
    All the more urgency that Christiana and all those who believe in her bilge should quickly kill themselves to remove their carbon footprint from the planet. If they are truly responsible in such an emergency effort, then they will select a venue where the planet can recycle their remains as though they never were.

    I suspect, however, they really want to kill all of us first.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 4 years, 5 months ago
    I guess that she never read a peer review article by a NASA scientist, (of all scientist, believe it or not) that when studying climates of other worlds and the parameters involved discovered that carbon and methane do not hold heat and therefore have little baring on climate other than carbon's value to living things which in return produces an atmosphere worth living in.

    One should ask her...how did man, plants and animals survive when the carbon count was 3000 or even 8000 ppb?...think maybe that's when the sequoia's of the north west grew?...maybe the giant Nephilms? or even Dinosaurs???

    I'm surprised that the left and the anti-lectuals haven't blamed obesity one have too much carbon in our atmosphere...remember, you heard that little ditty here first!..someone on the left will use it, I bet...
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  • Posted by fosterj717 4 years, 5 months ago
    This is actually a redux of Al Gore's admonition giving the original (exact same warning as this woman) warning saying exactly the same thing! Hucksters must keep fanning the flames of "man-made" Global Warming (yes! they are back to that sad refrain) - when in reality, it is climate change!

    These people ignore simple scientific truths of what is taking place in the solar system itself. Why is the temperature of the sun drastically falling (a temperature hole of immense size has just manifested itself)? What impact has that or will that have on the climates of all planets in our solar system?

    Why has there been measurable climate change (and global warming) on earth (and 3 of its sister planetary neighbors)?

    Why did the Russian and French scientific team working in the antarctic discover from 10,000 year old ice core samples that it was earth warming that preceded the increase of Carbon Dioxide? This turns the argument (and conventional wisdom) of the "Global Warming" industry on its head and totally discredits the theory that trillions of dollars are currently being spent on!

    If Science is refuted (the Man-made Global Warming cabal), then stupidity will have reigned supreme. In closing, the admonition to "follow the money" is (or at least should be) the prudent and intelligent (and honest) way to be followed!

    The only emergency measures should be a real scientific debate on the entire issue of "Climate Change" that has cyclically been taking place for almost 4 billion years now! For what its worth...
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    • Posted by $ rainman0720 4 years, 5 months ago
      Excellent point about the old ice core samples that indicated a warming period.

      AGW fanatics have done everything in their power to bury the Medieval warming period, which lasted from approx. 950-1250 AD.

      This 300 year cycle alone is enough to deep-six their entire argument.

      But lest we forget, they can't be bothered with facts.
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  • Posted by ewv 4 years, 5 months ago
    Christiana Figueres' collectivism: "We are going to have to decided between zero and sum. We're going to have to decide between zero benefit for all or living life as the sum of all of us." 14:26 in a speech about her role as head of negotiations for the Paris agreement https://www.ted.com/talks/christiana_...

    But her "manifesto" was not the fictional description and "list of regulations" in the first third of the conservative blog linked to at the top of this thread.
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    • Posted by $ 4 years, 5 months ago
      I never said Christiana Figueres actually had the ovarian fortitude to proclaim such a vision. You will find her manifesto in the journal Nature as well as in that TEDdy Bear Talk to which you were kind enough to link.

      But I do say the "curfews, candlelight and confiscation" scenario logically follows from the remarks she did make, and publish, during her tenure in office as ExecSec of UN-FCCC. If, that is, she is as serious about declaring a climate emergency as her remarks suggest, then she would look forward to issuing an emergency decree for just such enforcement action as I describe.

      That's right: I. For I wrote the article, and I edit and publish the site in question.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 4 years, 4 months ago
    The following statement is from Figueres bio on her website: "Mission 2020, a global initiative that seeks to ensure the world bends the curve on greenhouse gas emissions by 2020 in order to protect the most vulnerable from the worst impacts of climate change and usher in an era of stability and prosperity."
    This sounds like something from "Atlas Shrugged", how can the world economies could have any prosperity with the Draconian Measures as she states in her manifesto. She comes across a Fascist. For someone who loves screaming from the mountaintop ( the United Nations) that the world will be "Cooked" by 2020 she should be out there in the world with shovel in hand planting tree's. Could it be that Figueres doesn't like getting her hands dirty.
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  • Posted by exceller 3 years ago
    I thought president Trump withdrew from supporting the UN for inane goals such as this.

    The UN is home to a large number of snowflakes (yes, there are snowflakes whose natural condition is that of a snowflake regardless of age).

    They keep churning out rules that sovereign countries want nothing of, such as "controlling" the borders which of course means to let everyone in.

    This woman is only one of the examples.
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