Main toxic effects of Glyphosate. Dr Stephanie Seneff (MIT) senior research scientist, CSAIL

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Now this is what I call: Responsible Science...we need More of it in this world.

WOW! we've heard by many responsible sources that this stuff is Bad News but now we hear about Why it's Bad News.

Lots of other interesting info. for ex...did you know that it's harmful to wear sunglasses all the time?...turns out, your eyes and penal gland need sunlight.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 10 months ago
    +++++1
    So if I got this right it is not the GMO that is bad it is that the GMO is designed to allow absorption of Glyphosate. This scientist gives a very clear picture of glyphosate and the devastating health consequences. It is being ingested in many more ways than one would think. Apple cider vinegar, and others to detox
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    • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 10 months ago
      I have heard that glyphosate is not only absorbed by GMO crops, but by all crops grown where roundup has been used due to residual amounts of glyphosate in the soil. (I do not claim to have vetted the science on this and can't recall the source.)
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      • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
        This scientist measured roundup in the plant and in the fruit. She did an amazing job, She is my trusted source now, along with the writer of Altered genes/twisted truth.
        I've heard most or all of the counter arguments but not one of them showed the proof. This women actually found glyphosate in our bodies.

        The link I gave Dob, below, also shows and overlay graph of the use of chemicals and the degrading of the nutrients, vitamins and minerals in our food. He also points out that using this stuff instead of rotating crops or replacing the minerals has caused the pests and weeds to proliferate.
        That link too...is amazing work.

        Check it out bud...
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
      Not unless you use "Gala" apples...accordingly, they are not modified or exposed. (Haven't vetted that statement out yet)
      Problem is, now this is a defect not just in the cells but the DNA as well.

      I'd try and do several times a year: Rena Casey/Flor-essence, or essence tea. I might even add Cannabis oil or CBD oil if you can get it.
      The only one of the cannabis products you can pretty much get over the internet is Hemp oil, but hemp oil doesn't have All the Canabinoids.
      I'm thinking of these oils as an extra repair system and carrier for the the waist products and maybe a little help from those friendly canabinoids.
      No sense in reproducing your stem cells because they too have this defect.

      The other thing to remember is that we may be assimilating the modified DNA of the plant and viruses they used to modify the DNA in the first place.

      After listening to this Scientist, I'd say the Controversy is over and out. The stuff is killing us, we cannot adapt to the change, our cells themselves now have a weakened electrical component that determines cell reproduction or death.
      Pretty scary stuff.
      Now, listen to this one, (if you haven't already) and put it all together: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpIN-...
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  • Posted by Esceptico 6 years, 10 months ago
    Clinical neurologist Steven Novella (who has a great couple of courses in The Great Courses) criticized Seneff's entropy publication for making "correlation is causation" assumptions using broad statistical extrapolations from limited data, saying "she has published only speculations and gives many presentations, but has not created any new data." I trust Novella way more than Seneff.
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    • Posted by $ Abaco 6 years, 10 months ago
      Pretty often, there's correlation with causation.

      Just provoking some more thought...
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      • Posted by Esceptico 6 years, 10 months ago
        Correlation may, sometimes, lead to causation. But it is nothing more than a lead in the investigative process. I note the apparent source of most of this stuff in the thread is from Natural News.

        Over the years acquaintances have referred me to articles in “Natural News” and told me it had lifesaving information, vaccines were pushed by “Big Pharma” and do not really protect people, and other (what I consider to be) outlandish claims.

        The articles I read were usually well-written from a grammatical point of view, but loaded with emotional bias and what I consider to be pseudoscience and fraught with logical fallacies. The most common (there are others) fallacy I encountered reading Natural News articles was the post hoc fallacy.

        Post hoc ergo propter hoc literally means “after this, therefore because of this.” Restated, this logical fallacy states “Since event Y followed event X, event Y must have been caused by event X.”

        An example I used give in lectures was a member of the audience standing on the courthouse steps waving his arms and chanting words not discernible in any language. I asked what he was doing, and he said keeping the elephants out. I said there are no elephants in North America. His reply was: “See, it works.”

        Another example is a man brushed his teeth and died within the hour. Therefore you face the risk of death every time you brush your teeth. Better stop brushing your teeth, right?

        The post hoc is a particularly tempting error because temporal sequence appears to suggest causality. The fallacy lies in basing a conclusion solely on the sequential order of events, rather than taking into account other factors potentially responsible for the result that might rule out the connection. My experience is the advocates of “alternative medicine” and people who label themselves a “spiritual” seem to be very susceptible to this error.

        The Natural News website I saw appeared to me to be for the sale of various dietary supplements, promotion of alternative medicine, controversial (I’m being polite) nutrition and health claims, scientific fake news, and various conspiracy theories (especially about “Big Pharma”).

        There were unbelievable claims regarding chemicals, fluoride and chlorine in water, antiperspirants, laundry detergent, monosodium glutamate, aspartame, “toxic” ingredients in vaccines, including the now-longtime-discredited link to autism and Adams (the big cheese at the place) has described vaccines as “medical child abuse.”

        One article had a conspiracy theory about the Zika virus being spread by genetically modified mosquitoes. The site rants about adverse effects of genetically modified crops (GMO), apparently without understanding ALL food has been genetically modified since humans began to cultivate farms about 10,000 years ago. I am amazed it has such a large following, but I shouldn’t be, look how many people love socialism.

        Steven Novella, a neurologist, of NeuroLogica Blog called Natural News “a crank alt med site that promotes every sort of medical nonsense imaginable.” I respect and trust Dr. Novella and loved his course at the Great Courses on thinking. Novella continued: “If it is unscientific, antiscientific, conspiracy-mongering, or downright silly, Mike Adams appears to be all for it – whatever sells the ‘natural’ products he hawks on his site.”
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        • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 10 months ago
          "The site rants about adverse effects of genetically modified crops (GMO), apparently without understanding ALL food has been genetically modified since humans began to cultivate farms about 10,000 years ago. I am amazed it has such a large following, but I shouldn’t be, look how many people love socialism."
          Check your facts . To dismiss this study because of other articles that may or may not be conclusive or even wrong.That would be akin to dismiss your entire comment because of this error.
          Farmers and gardeners have NOT been cross-breeding seeds like this for thousands of years. What those well-intentioned readers fail to understand is the fundamental difference between hybrid seeds and GMOs.
          Unlike hybrid seeds, GMO seeds are not created using natural, low-tech methods. GMO seed varieties are created in a lab using high-tech and sophisticated techniques like gene-splicing. Furthermore, GMO seeds seldom cross different, but related plants. ... The goal was to create a pest-resistant plant.
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          • Posted by Esceptico 6 years, 10 months ago
            Whether the genes are modified in the field or in the lab is not important to the discussion. The genes are modified and have been for thousands of years.
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            • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 10 months ago
              It is important to differentiate .This is a discussion about how glyphosate is being absorbed into GMO foods. A hybrid will die from Round up a GMO plant is genetically altered to absorb the herbicide. " Your thousands of years"is wrong and irrelevant .
              You need to do your homework.
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              • Posted by Esceptico 6 years, 10 months ago
                II think you may be over limiting your view of GMO to the one issue of Roundup. Although we disagree on the Roundup issue (I have done my homework, by the way) and it is best to let that one rest, GMO rice can save 1 million kids a year from blindness has been outlawed by governments of areas that need it most. One can only wonder how much was paid by whom. In any event, from an Objectivist viewpoint, government should not be telling anyone what they can or cannot eat.
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            • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
              Natural, nature accepted cross breeding or modifying is very different than laboratory FORCED modification where nature and natural processes have no choice, (so to speak). Not to mention the means inwhich these perversions are forced.
              This is the very first among many disturbing problems expressed in Altered genes/Twisted truth; it was "Assumed" from the beginning that un-naturally forcing modifications upon nature would be ok and no different than a farmer splicing two different seeds or plant stems together, letting "Nature" take it's course.

              Shamefully, the GMO creatures never checked how the cells of the body would respond to these perversions. That's what This scientist and many many others have been looking at.

              Now, do you think, your heroin, AR, would approve of a value creator irresponsibly not checking the results or effects of their creation upon the end users of their product? I don't think so.
              Monsanto has Never done any double blind, platinum level scientific testing in regards to human health nor the effects upon nature itself.

              Mankind should be working With nature to tame her and not doing For nature, against her will. (metaphor) The same goes for the human body.
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              • Posted by Esceptico 6 years, 10 months ago
                Do you hold that government should enforce your opinion regarding, inter alia, GMO products?
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                • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
                  No, but they shouldn't be sleeping with them either.
                  They should, however, thru the courts, prosecute where harm is proven or highly suspected, (demanding responsible, purely scientific testing)...and it seems that's where all this alternative, non political science is going so far.

                  AND!...the kakistocracy should Never hinder the free flow of information...you can't argue with that one...we should, be able to have a conversation involving all sides of the issue...just like we are doing here.
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                  • Posted by Esceptico 6 years, 10 months ago
                    Sleeping with them? I don not understand what you mean.

                    You sound to me that you think the government should prosecute people who hold different opinions than yours. The law already holds people accountable for their actions, and I have seen nothing to show GMO foods are improper. Therefore, no case.
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                    • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
                      Politically that is. (strange bedfellows?)
                      There is more than enough scientific investigation that brings into question whether these products and procedures are safe or not. This has nothing to do with opinions or mysticism's. As for the laws...how's that working out for us...not to well, I posit. It, like everything else, is politically and [e]special[ly] interest[edly] entwined. There is Rarely any impartiality, logic or reason employed by the courts. The issues of the day have been so confounded it is difficult to tell what the heck is going on.
                      I, like you, am aware of the Charlestons in our mists on both sides, however, there are many whom have the ability to take a fresh look at these subjects impartially, objectively and with honesty.
                      I personally, "at this point!", think the scientist in this posting is one to pay attention to.

                      I am surprised that after viewing the video that you at least haven't gone...Hmmm
                      If not that video then at least this one (from a different perspective): :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpIN-...
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                      • Posted by Esceptico 6 years, 10 months ago
                        The link was bad, so I did not see the video. I have so many studies and articles urged upon me, which I read, by acquaintances and friends who hold your position, all of which I found to be in error, that I doubt your video had anything new or of much value to me. And, so long as you allow me and others to buy and eat whatever we want, I am happy. I can eat what I want, you can eat what you want, and everyone should be happy. Actually, the whole GMO controversy looks to me to be similar to CNN’s Trump-Russia connection.
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                        • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
                          Sorry, Esceptico...I just recheck, this one should work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpIN-...
                          Of course you can eat as much as you want...hell, I'll give you my share!
                          Don't say I never gave you anything, though> Laughing.
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                          • Posted by Esceptico 6 years, 10 months ago
                            That link worked. Surprise, surprise. Dunning’s website is like Mike Adams: he sells his stuff and all else is terrible. Full of post hoc connections. If we were to accept all Dunning says, then we should all die young and be obese anemics between now and death. If the plants don’t get the right nutrients, the plants do not thrive.

                            Farmers want plants to thrive so they can sell them. Gee, the free market.
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                            • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
                              Ah, but avoiding the spin...just the overlays were telling...had we never gone down the nitrogen route, we wouldn't have the rest of it. Now, would we have realized or invented a way to revitalize the soil without crop rotations? dun know...but those details were a direction into more research.
                              Oh, sadly, most are, in fact obese anemic's...thanks to the changes in wheat, designed to put weight on starving kids in Africa without adding any nutrition. He's right about that. I can't eat modern day wheat but I can eat an ancient wheat called Spelt with no problems...unfortunately though, Nothing allows me to gain weight...so, I am not only old ugly carl but a skinny one too!

                              Interesting point: My gardens were played out and could not afford to replace the soil. Last year the soil temp, never came up. This year, abet a month late, it finally did. I researched a product that would replace the minerals in the soil, which would allow the plants to take up the nutrients and keep the bugs at bay and it only cost 20 bucks and was well recommended. It is called: My Grow Minerals, and BOY! did it work...plant's poked thru in 5 days and are now just where they should be if I have planted them in April instead of late may.
                              So, from that perspective alone, what I learned from that video alone was worth it's weight in gold.
                              There is always some value buried deep in all things good, bad and ugly, if only to realize that which is not.
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        • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
          Unfortunately, to capture the attention of the culture, one must put a spin on it. It's a shame, but it's the world we live in. Having a product that may or does help...great!...make a profit? great!

          However, this particular article/video was posted by Ben at suspicious 0bservers, well respected in his community and with many incredible scientist in various fields. And WAIT! there's more: recently invited to speak at a conference held by many awakened government officials, the likes of which never seen nor heard in lamestream, in wait, wait for it...Washington DC! The proverbial belly of the beast!!!
          Note, by the way, his job at one point was the vetting of scientific subjects, especially, fertilizers, GMO's, food and medicine. He's not exactly a novice and neither is this scientific researcher.

          Yes, this scientist reports on what is actually seen in the cells and DNA of the body, some of which she did herself...and...yes, also basic chemical causation's germane to the subject.

          I've seen the one's you mention, plus 1000's of others and this one stands out above the rest, stands with the best of the best and, hopefully, to your pleasure, does not rely upon emotion.
          That's why I posted it.

          So, if you have any other answers as to why our population is so much sicker, children with devastating diseases, cancer and such...please share your findings.

          ...and I will check out Dr. Novella, I unlike many others, am not closed minded, nor closed brained on this unsettled subject.
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          • Posted by Esceptico 6 years, 10 months ago
            You ask: “ you have any other answers as to why our population is so much sicker, children with devastating diseases, cancer and such...please share your findings.” Check your premises, our population is not sicker, children (and others) have fewer diseases...” What you cite is the typical Natural News hype. It is wrong. Average life span, for example, in 1900 was barely 50. Now, 100 years later, it is 75. I could go on, but I think my point is made and I sincerely do not believe I will change your mind.
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            • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
              When observed in reality, Your premise is found wanting. I Wish I could be as positive as you but I just plain don't observe the results of your premise in the present.
              I work at a Hospice Hospital, (building engineer) and I've seen whom and what comes in on a daily basis, it's horrific. Babies, children, young adults together with those 40,50, 60 and end of life 80/90+ (the minority in the Hospice population).
              I have observed the older folk, 90+ were obviously in better health most of their lives but now days, the young and younger out number them in the new sickness careless world.
              Funny, those 70/80/90's make up most of our volunteers...(one can learn a lot from these folk)

              Also, our school system here in Connecticut houses a 3 out of 10 student population with serious problems and I have reduced that percentage knowing the medical lamestreams penchant for making any energetic child into a ritalin riddled autistic.
              Back in the fifties, in a student population of 1200 there was one special needs student.
              Big change in 60 plus years.

              Maybe people and children, where you live are in better health but things have changed since the 50's.
              Yes, prior to efficient and inexpensive agriculture and local grown food...around the 20's I'm guessing...malnutrition was a problem but was pretty much wiped out by the late 40's but sometime in the late 60's that trend seemed to change, I witnessed that change but now days...it's in your face.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 9 months ago
      Just listened to one his lectures: Steven Novella: The Skeptical Neurologist (2011) and it reminded me of what I learned from Jaynes about bicameral man.
      Laughing, He describes the brains of the brain only, and the young, (minus the conscious mind) and I thought of all the bizarre creatures in congress...spot on, he also mentions the effects of Ego which I maintain is not necessary when one has access to the mind. His depictions of the superego's senses of right and wrongs are hilarious.

      Still, the brain is amazing but only can hold information beyond survival, which it can apply to many things. It alone, cannot have insight, objective introspections or integrate information. Pretty much falls in line with Jaynes and others so far.

      Thanks, I'll be listening to more of his stuff as time permits.
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      • Posted by Esceptico 6 years, 9 months ago
        I recommend buying Novella's entire course from Great Courses (http://www.thegreatcourses.com/course.... When you say " the brain is amazing but only can hold information beyond survival," are you saying the information in the brain is somehow retained after the individual is dead? To which "Jaynes" do you refer?
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        • Posted by $ 6 years, 9 months ago
          No, re-reading that statement I can see that my editing, always, after posting...was flawed.
          Boy, did I ever screw that up! Laughing.
          Basically, information in our brain is compartmentalized and used for survival...even solving a problem, teaching or performing your job, can be considered survival but the brain alone, cannot have insight, objective introspections or integrate information. (it takes the mind to do that)-(and that as we begin to understand better, (work in progress) is not physical)...PS. not mystical either.

          Sorry, I thought we had discussions on Jaynes.
          It's Julian Jaynes...He found evidence that we did not always have self introspection or conscious awareness of our behaviors and outlines a time when awareness of one's own awareness started to happen, (between the Iliad and the Odyssey).
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  • Posted by dwlievert 6 years, 10 months ago
    In light of what now passes for "science," I have come to consider that one day we will be led to believe, virtually all of man's discoveries and subsequent knowledge that has enabled him to extricate himself from the mud toward the stars, will be "proven" to be destructive to him. He will then be told that his only recourse shall be to return to the mud.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
      That's the lefts narrative now, however, the delete ruleless left supports making you sick...they profit from it. The problem with GMO's is that it was assumed from the beginning that it would be safe...it cascaded from that point.

      Does mankind make mistakes based upon understanding of the times...you bet your bootie, but when the governmental parasitical idiots get involved...and adaptation to new knowledge is forbidden.

      We have got to get across to society is we need to be highly integrated and maybe, we might avoid some of these self caused problems in the first place. We also need to pay a mind to time tested procedures, practices and need I say: the cycles of nature as well.
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  • Posted by skidance 6 years, 10 months ago
    *pineal; looks like autocorrect sabotaged the word.
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    • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 10 months ago
      pineal gland is a pea-sized gland in the exact geometric center of the brain and comes from the root word “pinea” which is Latin for “pinecone”. Pinecone symbolism appears all over the ancient world from the Sumerian, Greek, and Roman traditions, to the Vatican’s “Court of the Pine Cone” and staff of the Pope.
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      • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
        Great explanation, Dob...Thanks
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        • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 10 months ago
          PINEAL gland and the Sri Yantra: est 10000bc

          Staring at the central dot or ‘bindu’ of the Sri Yantra is Ment to create changes within the brain and the stimulation of the Pineal gland by focussing our attention on the ‘3rd eye’ area. The Pineal gland is a small endocrine gland in the brain. It produces melatonin, a serotonin derived hormone, which affects the modulation of sleep patterns in both seasonal and circadian rhythms. Its shape resembles a tiny pine cone (hence its name), and it is located in the epithalamus, near the center of the brain, between the two hemispheres, tucked in a groove where the two halves of the thalamus join. René Descartes believed the pineal gland to be the “principal seat of the soul” and viewed it as the third eye.
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          • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
            Yep, heard that story and belief and I can see why they thought this but I think, according to my research into the "Mind" and quantum physics, it makes more sense that the "Mind" is the, "I" which can view the brains activity and the body; also having a connection to the quantum world of entanglements...we'll have to see how the mathematicians work this out...so-long as they are not using common core math.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 6 years, 9 months ago
    Sometimes I wonder if it was such a great idea to study so much science. I feel like that guy in the old Monty Python skit "Spot the Looney". I'm the guy in the suit, sitting calmly... I see and hear so many bad science arguments these days that I think we might be finished. I am probably right that this is the new dark age.
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  • Posted by Ben_C 6 years, 10 months ago
    Everything on the planet is toxic. Breath pure oxygen for an extended time and see what happens. Drink too much water and see what happens etc etc. Life is a balance act. Bad idea to drink Round Up out of the bottle. One has to weight the benefits vs the risks. That's life. For me I worry more about things without ingredient labels. What are automobile tires made of and what are the effects of tire dust? When I worked in NYC the plethora of Yellow Cabs with bald tires caused me to think about this paradigm. I can look up the toxicology of many product ingredients but there are many more that are unavailable (proprietary secrets I am told). BUT, companion animals are living longer as well as people and we will all die of cancer if we live long enough. So, minimizing risks when we improve our quality of life seems important but zero risk is only for the deceased.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
      So why not start with the lowest common denominator...good, clean food with no need for modifications.
      What's interesting is that the chemical industry has created the same effect as the drug addict companies...take this, knowing later on you'll have to take something else for what the first thing created.
      Before fertilizers, there was no need for pestisides and on and on...see:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpIN-...

      Key take away: it's not nice nor prudent, to fool mother nature. (fooling her is not controlling nature...it's creating another problem)
      As far as farming goes, just replace the minerals the plants used up and you won't need poisons at all.
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