‘Breatharian’ couple survives on ‘the universe’s energy’ instead of food

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I do not even know where to begin to analyze if this is true, fake, mystic or what. I know there are a lot of things I do not understand about how the universe works, but this just seems so off the track as to be something one would think would be a scientific goldmine. The claims are a bit off the wall, but I do not want to be closed minded to new data.
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  • Posted by Animal 6 years, 10 months ago
    It's fake. Period. End of story. The people claiming this are lying.
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    • Posted by dansail 6 years, 10 months ago
      People with faith are primed to believe this story while people without faith are primed to flatly deny this story. It would be good to have facts about who OBJECTIVELY watched and recorded their input, but even then with hard facts will those denying the story accept their findings?
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      • Posted by ewv 6 years, 10 months ago
        The original post said "I do not want to be closed minded to new data." What data? It is well known that if you don't eat or drink you starve to death, and it is well understood why. This "breatharian" hoax has been resurfacing in tabloids for years.

        Taking such claims seriously in the name of an open mind is no different than having an "open mind" towards any faith healers, miracle mongers, psychics, purveyors of the paranormal, and run of the mill mystics and supernaturalists.

        If some "breatharian" making vague claims about "energy from the universe" preventing him from starving, or any other such mental cases, want to be taken seriously then let them submit their practices to objective observation and experiment, if they can find anyone willing to waste the time -- instead of publicizing fantasies to the gullible and the credulous drawn to mystery. Meanwhile, any publicizing of these absurdities as something to be taken seriously wastes everyone's time other than for "here is another example of a hoax being circulated".

        The original post in this thread was a serious question. For an Ayn Rand forum, the importance is the principle at stake: http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/ope...

        He who has an "open mind" quickly has it filled with garbage. Objectivity rejects the arbitrary as cognitively worthless, and rejects arbitrary variations on what you already know to be false and worthless as worse. An objective person has an active mind, not a mind open to anything.

        As for "breatharians" it doesn't take much to find the history, including "breatharians" who have starved themselves to death: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/201...

        "In any case, people have died trying to follow Breatharian belief systems. Just Google “Breatharian” and “starve” and it won’t take you long to find examples, including people in Switzerland, Australia, and Scotland, among others. Castello and her husband might be looking just fine and appearing healthy, but real people starve themselves to death in pursuit of the supposed spiritual and health benefits of existing on 'prana'...

        "Breatharianism would be very easy to prove. All a Breatharian would have to do would be to submit to 24 hour observation for however many days it would take scientists to be convinced that they were thriving without food and water. Given that human beings can only survive around a week without water and start to show signs of dehydration after only a day or two, it wouldn’t necessarily have to be that long a period of time. If the claim is that the Breatharian can exist on water alone, the time would have to be extended to weeks, but the principle remains the same. No such successful test has ever been carried out

        "This all brings us back to newspapers that credulously print such utter bollocks, to borrow a term from my British friends, given that it was a UK tabloid that appears to have originated this story. We lament the problem of 'fake news' now, and it is a problem. However, it is not a new problem. I remember like this about Breatharians thriving without food coming to my attention periodically every so often since my days on Usenet, which means going back nearly 20 years. The only difference is that now such stories can travel faster than ever, thanks to social media. I know to some extent why tabloids print pseudoscientific misinformation like this: clicks and eyeballs. That doesn’t make it any less irresponsible. At least 25 years ago, Weekly World News was so obviously fake that few people who read it weren’t in on the joke. As for Bretharianism, like spoon bending, it’s utterly ridiculous but never seems to disappear."
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        • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
          I agree, to the poit you can apply "well known" data to a occurance, however, again I raise the Wright Brothers as an example of how science and knowledge of specific things (in this case how birds fly) brought about the "scientifically impossible". Based on all our discussion here, it is pretty certain no definitive research has been done, and they cannot produce anything more than anecdotal statements. Based on your lexicon, the phrase I would use would be "active mind" as that as what I was aiming at, using the colloquial term.
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          • Posted by ewv 6 years, 10 months ago
            The Wright brothers did bring together an enormous amount of scientific and engineering knowledge to calculate how to do what they knew was possible. It wasn't a stab in the dark. Some of their competitors were more interested in the tabloid publicity and government funding approach, towards which you are expected to have an "open mind".
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            • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
              That is true....but they are my best example of when science says "no", it is not always right. Nor can tabloids be used as reference..
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              • Posted by ewv 6 years, 10 months ago
                There was popular skepticism, but science wasn't saying it wasn't possible by that time. There had been research into heavier than air flying machines for years and gliders were already successful. The government was already seeking a practical solution for military purposes by 1898. By the time the Wright brothers were privately researching and developing it was already a race to be the first to make it work. They had a much more systematic and creative approach.
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                • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
                  An interesting page that documents some of the statements made against many things that are taken for granted today:

                  https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/neverw...

                  The Wright comments are interesting, in that Wilbur thought it would be 50 years before their first flight.
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                  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 10 months ago
                    From a letter from Planck, Rubens, Nernst and Warburg attempting to help Einstein obtain an academic position in 1913:

                    "That [Einstein] may occasionally have missed the mark in his speculations, as for example with his hypothesis of lightquanta, ought not be held too much against him, for it impossible to introduce new ideas, even in the exact sciences, without taking risk." [quoted in Wheaton, The Tiger and the Shark: Empirical Roots of Wave-Particle Dualism]

                    Einstein was award the 1921 Nobel Prize in physics for his 1905 discovery of quantized light in the photoelectric effect.
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                    • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
                      Yes, I was watching the show on one of the satellite channels Tuesday regarding him and his life, he had a lot of not so great moments he got hammered for. I do remember there was a huge effort made in the 10's and 20's to go to solar eclipses to set up special equipment to measure the exact effect of "bending" light by gravitational fields, and they had several abortive attempts then got one good observation and a second to prove his theory of relativity.
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                      • Posted by ewv 6 years, 10 months ago
                        If the 1914 eclipse observation had been done it wouldn't have been as important since he didn't have an accurate calculated prediction then, only that there would be bending.

                        There are a lot of fictional and false scenes, exaggerations, and propaganda in that series. They never did show what it was like to be dedicated and working hard on the problems he explored, only a crazy guy running around shouting and flapping his arms.
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        • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
          As far as news and "utter bollocks" yes, they do indeed print "tripe". Remember the other tabloids on the checkout counters, There was the one that always seemed to have the "alien in a closet" and the other had every celebrity dysfunction, divorce, affair or hidden crime you could imagine. I think the alien one is still there, I seem to remember a horrible picture of Hillary on it claiming she was on her deathbed, too bad, really.
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      • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
        Excellent point, in that they just arrested 2 people in Oregon who go to a church that believes in faith healing only, had 2 children die of easily treated conditions, one infection, the other a premature birth. Yet their church is funding their lawyers....So, there is some truth in your point.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
      While I agree with you, it just seems so easy to prove, one way or another. The fact Snopes says " A study proved" does not prove squat without some reference to said study. Snopes "disproof" is no proof at all.
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      • Posted by Animal 6 years, 10 months ago
        Speaking as someone who was schooled in biology, no proof is necessary. It's flatly impossible. I don't require any study or proof. My own body of knowledge is sufficient. These people are liars and charlatans. End of story.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 10 months ago
    I am a foodarian last night I survived on a nice ribeye with baked potato , sweet potato, and salad. Oh yes and a big frosty glass of milk.
    I just let the universe do the rest.
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    • Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 10 months ago
      DOBRIEN
      I'm amazed at how few people realize that the tenderest, tastiest steak is the rib. The rib eye or Delmonico steak puts all the others to shame. Your choice is eating at its finest. So, according to Breatherians, we don't need vitamins. They must have a special connection with the universe or are pretty good slight of hand artists. The only time I got plugged into the universe was an Ojibway sweat lodge which convinced me that I was a Peregrine falcon.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 10 months ago
        Don't tell everybody, DOB! You want to pay $30/lb for rib-eyes? I don't! ;^)
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        • Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 10 months ago
          Here in FL you can get rib-eye when on sale at supermarket for $8.99 not on sale around $12.99. If you're going to spend $8 or 9, you might as well spend a few $ more and get the really good stuff.
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          • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
            Oregon it used to be 6.99 before the winter where all the cows died, then if flew up to 12.99 and never came back, and now farmers complain because they have to sell off all their cows because they have too many. What happened to market forces? We see them on sale for 6.99 sometimes. Hamburger runs 249-299 for 80%.
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        • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 10 months ago
          No sir that is beyond my budget .with BOGO the 2 steaks cost about $17.50 . With strong local competition in the grocery stores in our area I just shop for the deals.
          In the past I have purchased Copper River Salmon when in season I recently priced it between. $ 25-$29..95 lb . I passed on it and found raw shrimp deveined 21-25 count for $7.99lb and bought 3 lbs worth. That is a good price for Minnesota!
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          • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
            I was little in Biloxi Miss before Camille, we used to get a 50lb potato sack of shrimp at the pier for 12.00, could catch all the crabs in the world (usually 2-3 potato sacks worth in 4 hours) using chicken backs. Now the hurricanes killed off all the crabs and the shrimpers come in almost empty.
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            • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 10 months ago
              Less than $0.25 per pound wow! Nickursis please explain the chicken backs and crabbing. I live in the land of Ten thousand lakes. Superior is the closest to an ocean in this northland.
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              • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
                OH, Dob, you get a crab net, which is a bunch of increasing size rings with neeting woven around it, tie the chicken back to the middle, drop it off a finger pier, drink a beer (when we were yung, auntie would bring a case of it, mostly for her, but she turned a blind eye) and pull it up, usually with 5-7 crabs in it. 2 or 3 hours and you had a couple sacks of them. Go home heat up big pots of water, and boil away, then clean them and eat. We used to pour the beer on them in the bags and laugh as it turned to this huge foaming mountain and overflowed onto the pier. She got mad at us wasting it.
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      • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 10 months ago
        Slight of hand to mouth. My son was a wizard at lifting up a cake and nibbling the underside.We still laugh about it decades later.

        Food favorites include shrimp, cod , walleye ,corned beef, beef brisket , grass fed ground beef, Ham and most all pork, salad with avocado and pea pods
        Pea or lentil soup from the ham bone, Chilli, Spaghetti, Dark meat from poultry....... I am hungry!

        In the Carlos Casteneda
        Books "tales of power" or "A Separate Reality" on an apprentice to the Yaqui Indian Don Juan (a shaman) they would turn into crows and fly. In their peyote ingested mind they did at least.
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        • Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 10 months ago
          I guess northern natives prefer just raising your temperature ttopeyote.It was quite an experience. The women, called "Wind Witches" were all bare chested and breathed rapidly making a "Hoo - hoo - hoo" sound. It was very creepy . My friend and co-worker at the time was a Native American and fellow named Harry Hill who was an expert with a device called a "Whoopee Stick." Tell you more anon.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
      Yep, I am with you, but it just seems so weird, if it was a totally fabricated idea, you would see something, right? I looked around and this is as real as vegans and all the rest of the "exclusive food" groups. But air?
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      • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 10 months ago
        One word Nickursis "Holodomor".
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        • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 10 months ago
          holodomor cannibalism?
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          • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 10 months ago
            Hi OUC,
            I am sure you know this but for clarification an example of the collectivist socialist starvation for the "greater good". This is the philosophy of altruism at its worst and it is what the deep state and their eugenic attitude is capable of. The term Holodomor refers specifically to the brutal artificial famine imposed by Stalin's regime on Soviet Ukraine and primarily ethnically Ukrainian areas in the Northern Caucasus in 1932-33. ... The Soviet Union is formed with Ukraine becoming one of the republics. ... Between 1932-1934.
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            • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 10 months ago
              I looked it up and saw a reference to cannibalism during those times...so I tied it into your eating a ribeye and making me hungry...laughing...

              PS...listening to something interesting...way off subject here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekQ0c...
              Talks about Enoch.
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              • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 10 months ago
                The evil unclean watchers. 9:36 of video to 9:44 shows images of a purse like tool in the hands of these watchers from Sumarian Stella. It is the same purse depicted at Gobekli Tepe 7000 years earlier. Would love to know what it is and does.
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                • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 10 months ago
                  Me too. Got cut off last night so I'll rewatch tonight...right now I have to clean off the driveway and deck...leaves and seeds all over the place, can't even walk around and more thunderstorms on the way.
                  Catch ya later...
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                • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
                  As far as Gobekli Tepe goes, Dob, I saw a science show last week that went through it in great detail and they have now assembled a total explanation for it, and all the symbols. They call it a dead worshipping site" where all these people went to hang out and watch the crows eat dad. They constructed a complete mythology to explain everything and decided a bunch of stone age hunter gatherers stoped, built these huge megaliths, and then sat around for death rituals, and in so doing, learned agronomy while waiting for dad to get eaten, and decided that they needed to stop watching the birds and start farming, gave up the ritual, buried the place as not needed any more. A nice train of logic, but really? Make the biggest investment in their history and then abandon it to go grow grain for beer?
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                  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 10 months ago
                    Many of the faux explanations come from simpletons...they might be great at finding and carefully digging these sites but when it comes to integrated thinking...well, don't hold your breath.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 10 months ago
    While it is possible to fast on very little food for weeks (with the intent of giving your liver a chance to repair itself) I think this belongs in, "if it seems to good to be true, it probably is."
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  • Posted by citizen1 6 years, 10 months ago
    Can't speak to this particular couple- I know of some Breatharians who eat very little and survive quite well, not starving. Those who don't starve out maximize eating natural unprocessed foods when really needed. I know a couple from Sri Lanka who say they practice receiving sustenance from God, and claim their thinking is much clearer when there is less food. But even they eat from time to time.

    Now I am a steak and potato Texan that manages a restaurant- so don't get this twisted. Fasting is the last thing I plan to do voluntarily. But many religions in the world- Christianity included- talk about the benefits of fasting and reducing their dependence on food. I can believe the benefit of it in small doses. I can believe some folks make a lifestyle of it. The idea that food is unnecessary for life for long periods of time... yeah, don't know about that. I prefer to just be thankful when I get to sink my teeth into a juicy ribeye- and meditate on how good it tastes to me.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
      Agreed,I do like to try to be open to all possibilities, since I recall there were "scientists" who proved you could not fly a heavier than air craft in the 1890's and 1900's and yet the wright brothers defied all know laws of physics (for that time). One reason I have a hard time with "settled science" as it rarely stays settled.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 6 years, 10 months ago
    Something has to be putting metabolizing substances into their system to reproduce - ESPECIALLY -to reproduce-... Something had to be given up to form the chemical mineral components of the young'un... it either came from mom's cellular structure, or from something she ate. While solar energy is pretty remarkable, having it somehow form complex organic compounds is similar to taking lead, and turning it into gold...

    My vote - is that it's a scientifically accurate article from The Onion...
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  • Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 10 months ago
    In one experiment in food deprivation, several people were kept starved with no food for three days. On the 4th day, they were willing to kill for one slice of bread.
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  • Posted by $ gharkness 6 years, 10 months ago
    Come on. There really is no way to analyze this, beyond the fact that somebody is lying. Either they 1) really are eating or 2) they really aren't eating, and the article is just pretending that they are still alive.

    I would expect that people in this forum would be the least likely of all to fall prey to this sort of charlatanism.

    There's really no other way to say it than: There is no magic.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
      Not exactly "falling for it" questioning how, in such times of available information, such claims can get around and no one ever "tests" them for validity. Much like "Russia screwed or elections"...
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      • Posted by $ gharkness 6 years, 10 months ago
        Gotcha. Well, I guess, then, that it falls to people like us to test for validity. I do see this particular story in a lot of places in the interwebz, with lots of questions attached.

        Maybe people are at least a little tired of politics (one can always hope) and are casting about for the next sensational story.
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  • Posted by chad 6 years, 10 months ago
    I have often said if I could break the habit of eating it would be a tremendous financial benefit. I tried it once when my truck was buried by a landslide and it took three days to dig it out and return to civilization. With no food in the truck and my efforts directed toward freeing the truck instead of searching for food (did find one snake and ate it) I was very glad for the first opportunity to purchase food and begin my life of consumption again. Living off the energy of the universe had left me depleted, fainting and weak after difficult digging and rigging to free my truck and return to 'civilization' and food. I don't believe for a moment that they have devised a method for not introducing nutrients and energy into their bodies. There is no organism no matter how large or small that does not require sustenance. Failing to meet these needs results in the shut down of the organism and its eventual demise. Before I even consider believing this fantastic claim I would want to be in charge of observing and controlling their intake.
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  • Posted by $ pixelate 6 years, 10 months ago
    US News and World Report had a story about this ~15 years ago.
    Long story short, after interviewing a few so-called 'breatharians' -- the subjects admitted to having enjoyed a bag of cheeseburgers on occasion. I interpreted it as a sort of human interest piece of fluff.
    As others have chimed in, the very notion of surviving on the universe's energy is pure BS.
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  • Posted by davidmcnab 6 years, 10 months ago
    It's interesting that this kind of article ran without the usual opinion solicited from the mainstream scientific/medical establishment, violently shredding the whole concept.

    What's refreshing too is the Gulch culture where people are willing to entertain and consider outrageous new ideas, neither believing naively nor summarily rejecting.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
      Indeed, I sort of think of it as an attempt to try Heinlein's "grokking" from Stranger in a Strange Land. Grokking involved a lot of understanding, thought, debate and "feeling". I still do not grok "breatharian" as it seems so opposite known laws, observed phenomena and "common sense". So, i leans towards "not quite the whole story" department.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 6 years, 10 months ago
    Well, they do both teach -"breatharianism" - so there is the PR element. Realistically, if not active, about 1200 calories a day could sustain someone, that soup broth and the juices might be a little more hardy than they admit.

    Just think, the NAZIs may have invented this 70 years ago, Auschwitz wasn't torture and starvation, they were introducing the world to a healthier lifestyle!
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
      Nice...remember Biafra, in the 70's? Maybe they were continuing experiments. I just do not understand even making such claims with no evidence at all..I guess this qualifies as "Fake News"?
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      • Posted by scojohnson 6 years, 10 months ago
        Fake news is always easy to identify... look at how many ads are on the page, the only purpose of that is to create controversy and sensationalism to draw eyeballs, which increases their ad revenue. nothing more.
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