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SUBMISSION

Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 11 months ago to Philosophy
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Fifteen years ago, I was introduced to a young man who had escaped from Paris. Paris? Yes, Paris. He was the oldest son of a father who was an orthodox Muslim. They were quite well off. He was not too sure of his father's business. He was 20, had excellent grades and was a top athlete. After he graduated, his father informed him it was now time for him to go back to his town of origin and study to become an Imam. However, he was raised as a Parisian, speaking perfect French as well as Arabic. He studied the Koran but as he grew up he contrasted his world of Christian sophistication with his duties and attitudes of a Muslim cleric. No comparison, Unknown to his father, he took increments of "spending" money from the ATM card his father gave him and instead of living expenses he had saved the money until when he was to return to his Arabic roots, he traded in his plane ticket for one to London. I won't detail how he changed his identity and wound up in NYC, and eventually the heartland. Here is his view of Islam:
(I have edied it for brevity). "Islam is based on virtue; the very word means 'submission.'' It is truly not a religion, nor is it merely a set of beliefs but it is an entire way of life. The Koran doesn't simply govern everyone's conduct it is extended to all aspects of society. It regulates law, war, peace, education, economics, sexual conduct, trade and family. Sharia governs everything. It mitigates what it considers the rot of all other beliefs."

Between the Koran and Sharia, if one is to believe, there is no possible way that any Muslim true believer can ever be at peace with any other philosophy or way of life. All of those seeking peace will inevitably be frustrated because they are dealing with shadows. A charade being put on by Muslims for the benefit, eventually of themselves. All those Western peacemakers know that, yet they continue to participate in a game where the rules all favor their opponents. Everyone, Obama, Trump, Bush, Clinton, knows this, yet they continue to go through the motions -- and my question is, why on earth do they continue to do it.?


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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Modern day Crusades, no? History repeats, this time its passive migration instead of enslaving hordes on horseback.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I know that what I'm about to type is going to sound racist, but truth is truth. Eventually, it has to come down to Islam or everyone else. If the "everyone else " wants to survive, they will have to treat adherents like persons with an incurable plague. Since the western cultures will never get to that point until they are the verge of annihilation, things don't look cheery for the eventual future..
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 11 months ago
    The why question assumes the four US presidents you mentioned a) believe Enlightenment values are tied to religion and b) they participate in game of some sort related to this. They probably don't accept those two premises.

    The man with the overbearing father appears to be stating, probably unwittingly, the view of the Islamists extremists. If he convinces people of that lie, he's probably doing more to help the cause of Islamists than if he picked up a gun to fight for them.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 11 months ago
    Here is me a mean ole' dino's point of view.
    The USA with its constitutional freedoms is not compatible with the Koran's religious demand for a worldwide caliphate and a whole bunch of other Muslim crap, such as murderous "martyrdom," "honor" killings, requiring four male bystanders to witness a rape to name a few.
    The solution? We stay over here and we make them stay over there.
    Europe should do the same if they want to preserve what's left of the crumbling cultures that (once upon a time?) made each of their specific countries unique.
    I don't care if my point of view makes me an Islamophobia who ain't into no di-VERsiTEEE as I once heard a libtard sing it as his mantra.
    A mantra libs dearly cling to as being more important than little girls stuck with knives by people who say, "This is for Allah."
    Fear is why I bought guns up until the "I dream of open borders" Evil Hag lost the election. I still buy ammo just in case.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes. Of course. I think your comment could be applied to both, but I wanted to be clear, because that was also my intent.
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  • Posted by coaldigger 7 years, 11 months ago
    There are over 2 billion Muslims in the world. They are as described by your young acquaintance and by their ideology, an enemy to all infidels. Those that pose in a peaceful manner form a cover for those that do not. There is nothing similar to unite the non-Muslim world, therefore they are an irresistible tide that are about 28% of the world's population and are growing at a faster rate. Western societies belief in tolerance, equality under the law and individual liberty is easily infiltrated and exploited and there is currently, no solution without the most fundamental changes to our world or theirs. Our leaders in the West have no solution other than to try to stave off the fall in their lifetime, so that is what they are going to do.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    By George, I think he's got it.I think that's the answer - but I hate that answer. Let's see if anyone comes up with a better one (doubtful).
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  • Posted by 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    AJA:
    Except their punishments are much more extreme. I'd be willing to bet sums I don't own that the Muslims a far more willing to die for what they see as the rightness of their cause.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The people of this nation are more secular, even compartmentalizing their belief and accepting the validity of other peoples beliefs. Our politicians hold this same view AND are driven by power and greed. I'd wager that wealthy islamic nations pay nicely for accepting their people, some radials/deadly zealots included.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 11 months ago
    Stupidity or Complicity is my guess...or, if I read between your lines...there is no way to deal with them on any level but the world of the conscious would have nightmares about wiping them off the face of the earth.
    Maybe, that's why they force immigrate them, hoping against all hope that the muslims will ascend into at least a rudimentary state of awareness...
    On second thought, Naw!...scratch that one...they've never been that smart nor human for that matter.
    My concussion?...Complicity to the extreme.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 11 months ago
    "why on earth do they continue to do it.?"
    Because it serves to increase their power and wealth. They are traitors and looters.
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