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SUBMISSION

Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 11 months ago to Philosophy
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Fifteen years ago, I was introduced to a young man who had escaped from Paris. Paris? Yes, Paris. He was the oldest son of a father who was an orthodox Muslim. They were quite well off. He was not too sure of his father's business. He was 20, had excellent grades and was a top athlete. After he graduated, his father informed him it was now time for him to go back to his town of origin and study to become an Imam. However, he was raised as a Parisian, speaking perfect French as well as Arabic. He studied the Koran but as he grew up he contrasted his world of Christian sophistication with his duties and attitudes of a Muslim cleric. No comparison, Unknown to his father, he took increments of "spending" money from the ATM card his father gave him and instead of living expenses he had saved the money until when he was to return to his Arabic roots, he traded in his plane ticket for one to London. I won't detail how he changed his identity and wound up in NYC, and eventually the heartland. Here is his view of Islam:
(I have edied it for brevity). "Islam is based on virtue; the very word means 'submission.'' It is truly not a religion, nor is it merely a set of beliefs but it is an entire way of life. The Koran doesn't simply govern everyone's conduct it is extended to all aspects of society. It regulates law, war, peace, education, economics, sexual conduct, trade and family. Sharia governs everything. It mitigates what it considers the rot of all other beliefs."

Between the Koran and Sharia, if one is to believe, there is no possible way that any Muslim true believer can ever be at peace with any other philosophy or way of life. All of those seeking peace will inevitably be frustrated because they are dealing with shadows. A charade being put on by Muslims for the benefit, eventually of themselves. All those Western peacemakers know that, yet they continue to participate in a game where the rules all favor their opponents. Everyone, Obama, Trump, Bush, Clinton, knows this, yet they continue to go through the motions -- and my question is, why on earth do they continue to do it.?


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  • Posted by autumnleaves 7 years, 11 months ago
    I AM a Racist and have been for some time. You should see the way the CAIR are dictating to the San Diego City Schools!!! Anyone who believes the Muslims are not out to destroy our American way of life has their head in the sand. Just listening to them talk is enlightening.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    +1 and just call me dino.
    "Political correctness will not give one a pass to Heaven...just the first trip."
    Me dino has to remember that line so I can steal it some day.
    I may loot that Muslim point of honor bit, too, along with that kicker about our political parties.
    Why not? I'm an opportunist carnosaur and have a cat I named Moocher.
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  • Posted by brkssb 7 years, 11 months ago
    Between the Koran and Sharia and the BIBLE, if one is to believe, lies the kingdom of SUBMISSION to the anointed one (king, imam, or cleric). There is no possible way that Christians, Muslims, Jews, or Pagans or Buddhists or religionists can ever be at peace with any other philosophy of life. That’s why “they” continue to do it. Religion is the incurable disease of the power mongers. Submission is the greatest symptom.
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  • Posted by EdGoldstein 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    While true, it misses the core problem. There are a billion Muslims spread over most of the world and all of them are potential killers. How do you fight such a monster? They have no idea and thus do nothing.
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 7 years, 11 months ago
    The issue is: an individual versus a collective. Islam (similar to radical cults) is the very definition of a collective and any anyone with a sense of individuality should be wary of a cult that demands submission, i.e., the Manson gang, Branch Davidians, et al.

    As Eric Hoffer (The True Believer) proffers, those that join mass movements do so to find a substitute identity to cover for their own shortcomings.

    Like many religions, though, most of Islam is born into it and that is very difficult to overcome within the individual and within the cult.
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  • Posted by roneida 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You said it all MISTER. there is/are no points of agreement, co operation, understanding, harmony or existing with insane fools that will kill you because of your thoughts or belief. A live hater of death or martyrdom is worth so much more than a dead nut case. We who do not accept the islam code must face the inevitable outcome that we WILL have to stand, fight and kill to defend our lives. CLOSE THE Borders now before more of them are here. Political correct ness will not give one a pass to Heaven..just the first trip. Americans better wake up and toughen up before it is too late. Our permanent enemy has one point of honor...They let us know what they want and what they will do.. Better than our political parties.
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  • Posted by wiggys 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    the wealth you refer too is from the Saudis and other muslim countries combined. YES they are as you say traitors but they are not alone; how many of the elected congress people are also on the take.
    IF our elected (representatives, a farce to even say) were to do the right thing it would be to turn the desert to glass. that will not happen regardless of the number of attacks that the world experiences, so to also play in the usa. the rebel flag will fly again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 7 years, 11 months ago
    Why did the police, and others in the role of protection in Paris lie down when Hitler rolled in? Probably the same reason(s).
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I liked to think we reached a turning point a few hundred years ago where we started understanding the world through reason, and religion started moving from answering all questions to being something that shows where we came from.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Backed up by coercion. It's power lies in the combination of the mystic and the Hun. They are both present in a way of life that promotes conflict, even with each other.
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  • Posted by ewv 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How does obsequiousness to Islam bring them power and wealth? There may be specific instances of someone getting that, but overall they do it out of moral intimidation and multiculturalism, with the Bush types thinking in their Pragmatism that it doesn't matter.

    His statement "Islam is based on virtue; the very word means 'submission''' brings up the doctrine of "dhimmitude". Multiculturalism in the west is leading to being dominated by the militant Islamic dhimmitude.
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  • Posted by ewv 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Religions have been at war with each other and with civilization for centuries. "Faith and Force".
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  • Posted by 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I had the latest slim, trim, 25X15X10 Webcor.3 speeds, 7" reels, two speakers, and it was a birthday and graduation present and don't expect anything else.
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  • Posted by coaldigger 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is so funny. I had a reel-to-reel tape of a commercial for a product that I dragged across the USA when most people had never heard of video tape (they would ask what channel I was having broadcasting my ad). My unit was an RCA state of the art portable. Ha. Ha. One of my arms is still longer than the other.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your message talks about how illiterate people can be easily manipulated to become very evil. That's true. Then you make a logical leap in the last sentence that says it's all about which religion. This is absurd to me on its face. It wouldn't make a lick of difference if they were made to memorize some other ancient text, say Leviticus, without being able to read, without knowing history, without math and other tools to understand the world; you'd get poor and manipulated people just the same. The problem is lack of reason.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is worse than you imagine. The letter I quoted was actually several pages long and went into greater detail. Hatred of the west was instilled at a very early age. It started as soon as language was used with ease. Then there are the illiterates who comprise at least half of the Muslim population. They are made to memorize the Koran even though they cannot read a word. Shariah is whatever the Imams tell them what it says.The concept of life bears no resemblance to what we consider to be life. There is no way that Islam will ever be able to exist along side any other religion.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I come from Michigan originally. Pretty mid-America. I spent a summer lugging a 40 lb tape recorder, (pre-transistor) around the coal mines of Kentucky recording folk songs of the area.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Could you elucidate "
    The man from Paris contrasts the open/free society of Paris with his father's Saudi Arabian style religious fundamentalism. He calls the Paris way "Christian." In his mind, there's something about being Christian that makes you sophisticated and not take religion literally and something about Islam that demands you must take it literally. I know this is completely false. I am around people of all faith backgrounds who are not fundamentalist.

    I claim most people want to live in an open pluralistic society and to enjoy the prosperity that comes with it. Extremists can't win on the battlefield, and they can't win comparing the quality of life that results from using reason rather than religion. Many of us have religious books like the Bible that our grandmother gave us, and we have fond memories of going to some religious event. The only way extremists get power is by convincing people that everyone who got a different religious book from their grandmother is bad in some way. It's an uphill battle for them, though, because a free pluralistic society is so much nicer than theocracy. They're only hope is get people to identify as groups rather than individuals based on which book and religious holiday they got during childhood. I think that's pure evil.
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  • Posted by coaldigger 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The perseverance of the life of mankind can sometimes be very ugly. Sometimes one is faced with a pestilence that is so threatening that there is no solution too extreme.
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  • Posted by coaldigger 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks. I think that was what I meant to say. The "turn the other cheek" lambs are going to become veal. The are, however, barbarians in every culture, or at least those that will treat the enemy as an enemy. If you ever get a chance visit mid-continent America.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is likely that as we look at Islam as an incurable disease, so would aliens of a far advanced civilization look at us. Perhaps that's why the universe is so vast. As for cyclical history some Russian made a pretty good case for it.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I admit that my solution is a temporary fix. What you predict as likely I think is inevitable.
    Iran will eventually will have nukes (if not already) and will be in a sharing mood whenever the day comes when it's inclusively surrounded by a regional caliphate commanded by the written word of Allah's prophet to take over the world.
    "This is for Allah."
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  • Posted by 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How so?
    I'm trying to understand your comment, but I'm drawing a blank. Could you elucidate more clearly?
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  • Posted by 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Islam, whether radicalized or not will never be compatible with western thought. Your solution will work until Islam feels strong enough to go after the "Great Satan." When that happens, even the libs will feel the need to keep a good head on their shoulders.It is not inevitable, but it is likely. When that likelihood happens, there will be no surrender only death to one side or the other, since I cannot see Islam going for an armistice or a total surrender.
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