What Do My Fellow Objectivists Think of This?

Posted by $ Abaco 6 years, 10 months ago to Culture
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What you think of it says a lot. I know the neocons who think they understand Objectivism will say, "Well, we need to get tough on the war on drugs." And, the statist Republicans will say that it's a justifiable sacrifice. Many democrats will be aroused by it and call for more of it while they put in their application to work for that police department.

I see this story as yet another example of the direction this country is headed. Ignore the 4th amendment. Forget there was ever such a thing as probable cause. Violate the children - you must get to the children. Completely ignore parental rights. Use the public, tax-supported public education system to get access. The only element not in this is the integration of "health care". I see this kind of story and just shake my head, anymore.
SOURCE URL: http://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/the-worth-county-sheriff-ordered-pat-down-searches-for-every-student-public-high-school-now-they-suing/vaAJNQ4xy6Kd41YpLkclFL/


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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 10 months ago
    The article doesn't say if there was some specific cause of suspicion claimed to justify it beyond the sheriff's "belief". It sounds like a wave of terror in obvious violation of both the Constitution and common sense, resulting in traumatizing a school-ful of students.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 6 years, 10 months ago
    I am a high school math teacher and we do this to every student everyday. Before you question all the whats and whys of this. My school is a Lvl 3 DAEP, which is an alternative school for students who have been kicked out of school elsewhere. Most for drugs but some for crimes up to and including murder.

    So with that said I think that in my setting that this is appropriate, whereas it is inappropriate elsewhere.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 6 years, 10 months ago
    All that sheriff was needed was a drug-sniffing dog or maybe enough to cover every entrance to the school. Such dogs can be borrowed from other law enforcement agencies. Should a sniffing dog start carrying on, you have probable cause to search.
    At the prison I once worked at, the dog warden (supervisor in charge of outside stuff and rarely needed to chase escapees) would sometimes stand at the entrance with his drug-sniffing dog
    to keep visitors and shift-changing officers honest.
    Sometimes we were all subjected to incoming same-sex strip searches but we were state prison DOC employees--not high school kids.
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  • Posted by edweaver 6 years, 10 months ago
    Well, they elected the Sheriff. Maybe some did not deserve the actions of this sheriff but the majority voted for him or her. I don't agree with the action but people must pay attention to who they are voting for or this is the result.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 6 years, 10 months ago
    I hope the courts find a way to convict this over reach. This police state effort is a move to see how far the statists can go with the public. Just like the pat downs at the airport of babies and shoe removals of the elderly or anyone for that matter. It also is further mind control to the kids: the message loud and clear is : we control you.

    The illegality of drugs is a disaster to our society.
    They should not be regulated . They should not be taxed. A small percentage of the money spent on the enforcement effort (which is a fortune) should be spent on education. Another small percentage on treatment and the huge savings on the elimination of task forces and prison cells. Could be spent on mental illness and healing those afflicted.

    When allowed to be had at a likely very low price.
    There will be a huge reduction in violence as no turf battles for dealers and gangs.

    You might say you can't have drugs available everywhere . I am sorry to say ...to late. The victims of drugs are increasing . I have great empathy for any reading this comment who lost a family member to addiction. The tragedies are real but most of the time it is a hidden secret that is revealed to late. We are fools if we think this war has been good for our nation.IMHO
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 6 years, 10 months ago
    Re: "Use the public, tax-supported public education system to get access." Even that wouldn't matter as much if compulsory attendance laws did not exist. This drug search was a single, bodily invasive violation of students' rights. Forced adherence to government education "standards" in public and private schools are mentally invasive, continuous violations of students' rights, but hardly anyone seems to care.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago
      Almost nobody cares anymore.

      I think back and guess what my folks would have done had this happened to us in high school. Frankly, I would not have been surprised to see my dad punch a cop in the face over something like this. My mom would have probably gotten arrested, too. And, they weren't highly educated. Mom was fairly well-read. They would just know, as would their friends, that this is wrong. This thing is coming off the rails now.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 10 months ago
    Setting aside the Constitutional issues and whether prohibition is even good policy, this sounds fishy. Kids at school would most likely stash drugs in a pencil case in their bag or something, not strapped to their legs or abdomen under their clothing.
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