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Is there anything to the Grand Solar Minimum?

Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 8 months ago to Science
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A video by a Grand Solar Minimum proponent, and since I live in said location, I do know that the weather forcasts are true, it is colder, and rainy and snowing in the mountains. Is this unusual? Maybe..and while I do not have a belief I have seen enough good data to prove man made climate change, I have seen enough to know that there is some issue with CO2, and that my belief is there are an awful lot of other factors beyond the political ones "it's all man made", such as deforestation in the developing world, that none of them ever want to address. Until they get their politics out of it and go to hard data, and encompassing data that takes into account all factors, I say "bah" to their "it's all my fault" BS. But an Objectivist must rationalize all the facts, and there does seem to be some factual data to support some kind of solar minimum. Maybe the 2 will just balance themselves out?

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  • Posted by TheRealBill 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The people at the Almanac actually analyze their prior predictions and try to figure out what went amiss, and what went right. That mentality will produce better accuracy over the long term. And they have been at it for rather a while.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True but the Amazon hasn't been there for long...seems there was a thriving civilization there at one time...sorry, I don't have a link to that.

    The take a way point: Whether it's there or not would have no effect upon the amount of carbon on earth.
    The maps shown from time to time on suspicious 0bservers morning news shows the most carbon over undeveloped areas and at the equator as opposed to the industrialized areas.

    That's a head scratcher if one has fallen to the political rhetoric.

    But to your point, it is a travesty...just imagine all the undiscovered and known natural cures for disease there that will be lost.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 8 years, 8 months ago
    My analysis of all the energy that the Climate Change purveyors use in verbalizing their beliefs they should shut their mouths spade up some earth and Plant a Tree! Better yet Plant a Tree in their mouths!
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True political theory. Been in use for many years, even back to Rome (they used the barbarians for 200-300 years as an excuse for everything, one day, the bad boys actually showed up. But since it had all been fiction, they were not prepared to deal with therm. Same thing today.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Carl, indeed there are several map studies you can look at that show the reduction in CO2 emissions year round, and it tracks with the seasons, hence my position that killing the Amazon basin is a climate crime greater than any countries emissions and yet they never say a word to Brazil.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I can agree with you Herb, however we have tracked Farmers Almanac for several years, as my wife and I disagree on how they can do it, but they are usually good for 80%. I am not sure if they just average or look at trends but they are pretty good and the "climate change" has not bothered them much.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 8 months ago
    Until someone proves to me that they have perfected a foolproof method of weather prediction I'll remain unconvinced that any prediction over more than a week long is not to be trusted.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 8 months ago
    Consider this one, published for peer review no less...how'd that happen!?
    Key take away: carbon, methane and water vapor do "NOT' have the capacity to hold heat.
    That alone, disproves the leftest narrative.

    https://www.omicsonline.org/open-acce...

    Also...consider my position, derived from many articles, that carbon release in the troposphere does not contribute to carbon in the rest of the atmosphere...hence: "What happens in the troposphere, stays in the troposphere".
    Not to mention that many other natural factors on carbon release...ie, green plants/night, the ocean, wild fires and volcano's. Note, during winter months in each hemisphere, not much carbon is utilized until the green plants come back in spring...
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 8 months ago
    Once again, me dino is moved to impart my theory that the global warming scammers among the political elite caught wind of this possible Grand Solar Minimum as a discrete heads-up from their own for owned government-funded climatologists years ago.
    That's the why behind "global warming" being renamed "climate change."
    Now fascist lib control freaks can spin anything that the weather does into man-made causes.
    This is not unprecedented. Before the "climate change" modification was contrived, Al Gore blamed a very harshly cold and stormy winter (actually bringing on a Birmingham blizzard I'll never forget) on "global warming."
    A laughing Rush Limbaugh had a field day with that, but his opinion was only heard by his radio audience.
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 8 years, 8 months ago
    AND AGAIN: "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
    H. L. Mencken
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is indeed the general argument you always hear, which is one reason I refuse to subscribe to the idea, in that it never addresses all the possible causes and wants to simple apply force, fees and restrictions to a small set of them. If there was a worldwide, bare fact, agreement to the issue, causes and corrective actions, I might be mre amenable to it. But their silly agreement, that everyone went off on Trump for bailing on, was a sham power grab, that allowed some of the major contributors to output to not even have to decide if they would play until 2030 (India and China). That tells me it is not serious, nor is it even meant to address the issue, just be used as an excuse to apply "their view" and redistribute wealth.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    OK freedom, I am suspicious of all media today, I just didin't take it quite as bad as that, so I went back and rewatched it, and I see how it does come off that way. I suppose my exposure to Ancient Aliens has led me to not just accept a statement at face value but to try to make it make sense. There are a lot of assumptions made, but with this particular topic, you have to make some, and it is the assumptions that drive the answer. Change any one and it will change the whole outcome. Although they do delve into Solar Inputs as a climate input, Their point of it being an interglacial period is something though that is rarely mentioned in most discussions, which are usually "we are going to cook and drown" hysterics. I thought the placement was pretty good to frame it in.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Watched it. First, it says nothing specifically about what is referred to as the grand solar minimum (which involves the varying activity of the sun iirc), but discusses other ways that the sun may affect climate (with little supporting evidence of that conclusion.) Then it goes off the deep end assuming a lot of rubbish about anthropogenic warming that is unproven and less likely than anyone at the IPCC wants people to know. So, as usual, PBS throws in a lot of observations that have a kernel of truth and then pretends their theories about climate change are valid after presenting no supporting data whatsoever. It's bullshit with whipped cream icing on top to confuse people.
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