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Mass Migration Out of California

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    Posted by  $  CBJ 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    My wife and I mass-migrated from California to Nevada in 1990. Never regretted it.
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    • Posted by Herb7734 2 months, 2 weeks ago
      I left in '92, for Florida. No state income tax. And while the price of housing here,doubled, it is still less than half the Golden State. I do miss the mountains, but so far, the hurricanes have bothered me less than earthquakes.
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      • Posted by NealS 2 months, 2 weeks ago
        Yep, moved from CA right after Ronald Reagan (67-75) left the governorship and Jerry Brown 75-83) took over. 1976, moved to WA State, great place under Dan Evans (65-77), with alternating party of governors. Then things got worse under Dixie Ray Lee (77-81) (I won't tell you what we called her back then, it would be politically incorrect). Lately WA has been all D's. Moved to Eastern WA, still under the D's but at least they mostly ignore us over here. A lot of manufactured homes, and a lot of WWII homes in the area. There is so much opportunity for someone to do fixer-uppers, but few seem to care, I’m retired and to old. Average stick built and upper end housing is rare, except in certain outlying areas, but also extremely affordable after coming from Western WA. So we've got a lot of potholes in our roads, but it's really not so bad once you start remembering where they all are. I expect to die here, perhaps sitting in my chair, on my covered (originally illegal but got it signed off) dock, with a fishing pole in my hand, eating a raw ground beef (cannibal) sandwich (my dad taught me when we lived in Wauwatosa WI), with Walla Walla sweet onion, on some great fresh Jewish Rye with seeds, salt, and some pepper, and a can of beer (born in Milwaukee). I’ve finally learning what’s most important in my life.
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    • Posted by term2 2 months, 2 weeks ago
      I did the same. BUT, now Nevada has adopted many of the same bad things tht California had (at least southern Nevada). Time to move again I guess.
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      • Posted by  $  2 months, 2 weeks ago
        Funny you say this. I have family in Nevada, and was leaning heavily toward it. But, when I really started looking into the lawmaking there recently it became very clear to me that the leftists have infiltrated. Not doing that again...
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        • Posted by term2 2 months, 2 weeks ago
          In Las Vegas city u must apply for a business license from only a preselected list of approved business models. Once you apply and pay the fee, then you must do all the required tenant improvements and wait for 45 days before opening to be inspected and approved. After all that, your business is subject to city council final approval. If rejected, you cannot open at all.
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      • Posted by  $  CBJ 2 months, 2 weeks ago
        Move where? I'm in Las Vegas also and despise the state and local political scene, but I don't see anywhere in the U.S. (or the world for that matter) that is better enough to make a move worthwhile.
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  • Posted by  $  AJAshinoff 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    Many Californians are migrating to Phoenix. If only they wouldn't bring their idiotology with them and keep trying to elect the same types of politicians who facilitated the ruination of their home state.
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    • Posted by llhawki 2 months ago
      Same in Texas and other states ... I don't understand if they move because they don't like the politics why bring them with you to your new home???
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      • Posted by  $  Suzanne43 2 months ago
        Because a Liberal is a Liberal. They can't seem to help it. For one example...look at the Jewish people in New York City. The Conservatives continue to support Israel and the Democrats don't, but the Jewish people in NYC continue to vote for Democrats. They are insane hard-core leftists.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 2 months, 2 weeks ago
      I moved LA (having been there for 5 years) to PHX in Jan 1990. LA was becoming too overcrowded for my liking. Had to leave PHX to work in ATL in mid-1991. PHX in that 90-91 period seemed to be a very large small town with a majority having individualist and self reliant productive values.
      It was a delight to live there. By the time I returned in 1999, PHX had devolved to be liberal spouting and influenced by the AZ Republic's conversion to liberalism. It had started in that direction much earlier, but it apparently took control in the mid-90s. (I knew some people who worked there in 90-91, and they all had liberal tendencies, and lacked understanding of the value of individual liberty -without the government meddling that they were attracted to- and how free markets were vital to happiness and productivity.) It was very sad to see the changes in those few years. I left again about 5 years later for health reasons.
      I hope that AZ can return to its westerner self reliance.
      I haven't found anything to favorably compare with PHX in 90-91 since then, and I have looked far and world-wide.
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      • Posted by Esceptico 2 months, 2 weeks ago
        I first moved to Arizona in 1961 from LA. If you think you have seen changes, I have stories to tell. Since then have lived in CA from 1967 for another 20 years, then in and out of the country since. I'd love to see California go on its own and we just sit and watch Gov Moonbeam explain it.
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      • Posted by term2 2 months, 2 weeks ago
        Probably just small rural towns where government isnt big enough yet. Vegas used to be much more freedom loving when I moved here in 91. Now its another california. One can see how it is collapsing little by little. There just isnt much wealth left here.
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        • Posted by freedomforall 2 months, 2 weeks ago
          Vegas primary "industry" produces nothing and preys on the weakness of others (free will or not.) Yes, there are lots of businesses that serve the residents, but without gambling you would all be doing so somewhere else that might be more productive. I put gambling in the same list of insidious, often harmful "products" with the banking cartel, tobacco, and government, although far lower on the list than banking and government.
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          • Posted by term2 2 months, 2 weeks ago
            Gambling is declining in vegas. Entertainment, hotel rooms, food are taking over
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            • Posted by freedomforall 2 months, 2 weeks ago
              Vegas has been saying that for decades. Not buying it. Ban the gambling and 90% of your market disappears, the fancy casino hotels close, the good entertainment stays in NY, SF, and LA. Half the business is because gambling pays for lower cost venues for business conventions attracted only for the lower cost and gambling.
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              • Posted by term2 2 months, 2 weeks ago
                Gambling primarily involved winners and losers trading about 94% of the dollars gambled, with the casinos taking about 6%. It's about the only way average people can enjoy having a chance For big money in an egalitarian world
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                • Posted by freedomforall 2 months, 2 weeks ago
                  Big unearned money paid for by taking from others willing to take low probability irrational risk. Is that a desirable business to base a city's economic life upon? Sounds as appealing as federal socialism.
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                  • Posted by term2 2 months, 2 weeks ago
                    Actually casinos are based on a business model that is very profitable. Gamblers are trading risks among themselves and the casino just takes a commission on the trade. Not much different than a stock broker where investors. Trade intrinsically worthless stock certificates in hopes of making a killing. Governments use their taxing powers to offer goodies obtained from the rich to voters in exchange for votes- in exchange for a cut of the action
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                    • Posted by freedomforall 2 months, 2 weeks ago
                      Yes, casinos make great profits without taking any risk. Actually that is much more honest than the stock brokers who steal from their "customers" at every opportunity, but the gambling business is still a business model that produces profits at the detriment of its customers.
                      Remember "Trading Places" where the Dukes explain the market to Eddie Murphy? That's a very entertaining movie. (Much more entertaining than going to Vegas to gamble.;^)
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                      • Posted by term2 2 months, 1 week ago
                        Incidentally I don't gamble at casinos. After gambling all day in small business I really don't need more risk taking !! The winners at gambling would say it's not to their detriment. Only the losers would agree. I gave up the stock market a long time ago too
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    • Posted by Owlsrayne 2 months, 1 week ago
      They're not just moving into Phoenix, I see more Cali plates here in Sedona-Verde Valley area than ever before. Also with a local radio show "Democratic Perspective" on every Tuesday from the local radio station KAZM spewing their Dimo ideals along with Dimo candidates guests are trying to change the State of Gun.
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  • Posted by  $  DrZarkov99 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    Ironically, there's still a fairly substantial population of conservatives in the California hinterlands, but the continued abuse by left wing politicians will inevitably drive them out. After working in CA and DC I readily decided I would not retire to either coast, and settled in Oklahoma. One of my best life decisions ever.
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    • Posted by  $  2 months, 2 weeks ago
      My dad's side of the family is from Oklahoma. I never met an Okie I didn't like. I visited there once, back in 1996. It was very slow-paced and relaxed. I'd certainly consider it. My grandpa left it at 18 during very hard economic times there. He joined the navy "so I could eat" he said, and gained 100 pounds. We still laugh about that...
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  • Posted by chad 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    I understand that if one place becomes unbearably socialistic the desire to find someplace less so is strong. However, I have been in this fight for 50 years and all I have seen is that the country continues to move to socialism and is now what would be defined as a democratic socialist/communist state.Estienne de la Boiete said; the only way to live free of tyranny is to live unobserved. With the advancement of the surveillance state this will be almost impossible and the best hope would be to find a way to be a permanent traveler never staying in one place. Finding a method for earning a living becomes very difficult. I see no hope for the future no matter which state or country you choose.
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    • Posted by  $  2 months, 2 weeks ago
      I think you raise a very valid point. The leftist assault is probably being very underestimated in its scope and power. And, we are seeing many places affected now.
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  • Posted by  $  2 months, 2 weeks ago
    Had lunch with three other colleagues the other day. Over calamari and wine we discovered (3 engineers and one architect) that we are all looking at real estate outside Cal. Last night I met a nice young couple with three kids at the golf course. They've had enough and are not letting their roots sink in here (also two architects).
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  • Posted by Herb7734 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    I loved California. The mountains, the ocean, the desert, great scenery. I lived in San Diego, a world class beauty of a city. But when I retired, I realized that if I continued to live there, my money would run out long before I did.Four types of government income tax. Real estate prices crazily high. If a new house selling where I live costs $200 K, it will cost $500 K there. I may be enamored bu I'm not stupid. And, apparently, neither are a good number of others.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 2 months, 2 weeks ago
      If the smog doesn't get you, the traffic will. ;^)
      I am visiting for the first time in years and CA's siren call is silent. Had to backtrack 2 miles on the drive in to fill up with gas in AZ to save $1.00 per gallon, too. Yes, 40% lower gas price in AZ compared to Blythe CA. The inmates have been running the asylum here for quite some time.
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  • Posted by GaryL 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    Idiotology is an outstanding description.

    I absolutely love my NY country home its the Idiots I can't stand! Lots of them move either south or west and take their idiotology with them wondering why where they went is going to the dogs.
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  • Posted by  $  Dobrien 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    Ahhh... The Lone Star a symbol of independence.
    I have visited Texas over the years earliest visits the state was immune . It felt like a different country . But it has been attacked by the collectivist virus ( hurricane Katrina) (LBJ) (Bushes) . Even so the state has a feel of a nation.
    The lone star. It is an attitude and that independence still prevails.
    If a state were to secede this one could be it.
    The greater good for the real Texans is the end of their rifle.
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  • Posted by Zeek 2 months, 1 week ago
    The problem is that people will move out of California, which state has been ruined by being a single-party state, and, when they arrive in their new home, they'll clamor for the same stupid government spending that put California in the toilet. I remember a bumper sticker I saw during an earlier migration from California; it said, "Don't Californicate Oregon." A cursory glance at the news about Portland would indicate that at least part of Oregon has been Californicated.
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  • Posted by ldb 2 months, 1 week ago
    I left CA in '96 and moved to a small town in Texas. Now we're seeing Californians moving to TX and the saying here is "Don't California my Texas". We're just hoping that it's only the conservative ones leaving the (formerly) Golden State and heading our way.
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  • Posted by  $  IndianaGary 2 months, 1 week ago
    I moved to CA in 1982 from IN to work for Amdahl. I moved from CA in 2002 to work for Microsoft. The left wing pressure got to be too much for me so I went on strike in 2012 and move to NV in 2013. When I was in CA, Gray Davis was governor which wasn't saying much. CA has gone downhill steadily since the end of WWII.
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  • Posted by Jackson 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    Interesting I'm reading this right now. I live in Illinois and relocating to Tennessee in a few months. No job lined up yet but I'll find one. Illinois is killing me in taxes and politics. Tennessee seems to be more like minded people for me. Illinois can't even pass a budget while Chicago and pensions continue to suck the state dry.
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  • Posted by  $  2 months, 2 weeks ago
    Did you guys see the rumble in the Texas capital the other day. One or more elected Dems got in the face and threatened a Republican member who called ICE on some protesters. This caught my attention because it, in my mind, tarnished the luster a touch. At least there they are still fighting about it, though. Here...all flight, no fight...
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    • Posted by Texaswildfire 2 months, 1 week ago
      You have to remember, Gov. Perry lured a bunch of companies here from Kalifornia, unfortunately they brought a bunch of those libtards along with them to Austin.
      Not sure, but I think the first border fence is going up around Austin. good idea thou.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 months, 2 weeks ago
    I think people do sort of self-sort, but I don't think the state boundaries are the natural dividing lines. I used to drive over the "grape vine" sometimes between LA and Bakersfield. I've been in the San Jose area and driven into Nevada from CA. That ridge of mountains feels like the dividing line.
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  • Posted by charlie7894 2 months ago
    While I understand and endorse the concept of 'voting with your feet,' to all of you who have abandoned California for not necessarily much more libertarian pastures, I thank you. Since you have chosen to leave, those of us still willing to 'lead with quiet confidence' will be more likely to change opinion with less resistance. Since buying in both Palm Springs and Wonder Valley, I have seen more libertarian bumper stickers than in any state during the 8 cross-country treks. The way to change opinion is to infiltrate, with them thinking you agree with them (find one item where you do - like we all think the government wastes our money) and build on it. If questioned, more people that think they are liberal would test upper left libertarian than you would believe. I have tried it. (My disguise must be working; as a Detroiter that ran as a libertarian on the ballot to the RIGHT of Jack Kevorkian, they think I am a 'hippy' because I do not dye my greying blond hair. Apparently, my anti-drugs, personal responsibility, fiscally and personally conservative but socially tolerant roots don't show.) I will not abandon California to the liberals, there are more than a few Objectivists there to help save it from itself.
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  • Posted by  $  2 months, 1 week ago
    In looking at real estate listings this morning I realized that the cost of real estate in Nevada just east of Tahoe is more expensive than my area of California - substantially. That's a new development. Says something...
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