Paris Agreement: Climategate 3.0

Posted by $ Temlakos 4 years, 5 months ago to News
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I broke the Climategate story seven and a half years ago. That's right: I did it. In this article I discuss how--while also discussing what was so bad about the Paris Agreement, how even the foremost activists didn't like it (they didn't think it went far enough), and how most of the parties to the agreement don't even believe their own narrative--because they won't act like it!
SOURCE URL: http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com/2017/06/03/accountability/news-media/paris-agreement-climategate-3-0/


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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 4 years, 5 months ago
    The Paris Climate Agreement has nothing to do with climate, only about redistribution (to other crooks) of wealth.
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    • Posted by roneida 4 years, 5 months ago
      jimjamesjames I have no idea of what the Paris trap was all about but I believe the biggest complaint from America is that it gives the worst polluters many more years to even catch up to us, while we are already far ahead of them and have to help pay their way for being such slackers with their gross overpopulations and lack of discipline. I saw a news article today from the WHO Saying that USA has cleaner air than any of the G 7 countries and has the record of being the least polluting country on earth..???who to believe???
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      • Posted by jimjamesjames 4 years, 5 months ago
        As I mentioned, Paris has nothing to do with climate. Even if mankind is warming the earth (we are not), any money is for wealth redistribution only, to by favor in other countries, to foment revolutions and other nefarious activities. Studies (read http://wattsupwiththat.com from time to time) have found that even if we do everything they say to do, it will make no difference to Mother Earth. It's a scam, pure and simple. It sets up a problem to be solved by extorting money on the premise that "we MUST DO SOMETHING NOW or your children will cook" ----that does not exist.
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        • Posted by roneida 4 years, 5 months ago
          jimjamesjames... I basically agree with all your premesis. The accusations that humans are responsible for much of the changes?? has some plausibility but NOBODY has the balls to suggest what to do about too many people.. What ever could we do about overproduction of babies??? who turn into child producing machines???? Too bad there is no safe, proven, cheap nethod of birth control>>>>
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          • Posted by jimjamesjames 4 years, 5 months ago
            AGW plausible? Sure. Reality? No.
            http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/06/0...

            Birth control is easy and cheap. It just takes a decision, by the woman, NOT the man (it's none of his business and if he REALLY wants a child, adopt one) to take control.

            The "too many people" issue is plausible but not likely. Consider, all of the current population of the earth would only fill 1/5th of the Grand Canyon.
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            • Posted by roneida 4 years, 5 months ago
              see a lot of jobs, crop growing land, houses,electric plants etc. in the Grand canyon??? Overpopulation takes a lot of land, resources , money and mature PARENTS, not just men. Birth control is cheap...preventing 1000 births as opposed to feeding 1000 babies who will reproduce exponentially to infinity is not even cost measurable. There are millions of acres in Siberia, Wyoming, Saudi Arabia...we're not looking for standing room only on Earth..
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              • Posted by jimjamesjames 4 years, 5 months ago
                Accept that my Grand Canyon note was to show the size of it, 2700 cubic miles, and all the people on earth will fit in only 20% of it, so the physical demand for space on earth is not very much. The issue, IMHO, is food. And food supply is not the issue, it is distribution. The teenagers in the US waste enough food to make everyone in Somalia fat. And the problems with distribution depend on the political winds (dictators, revolutions, graft, corruption,etc,) blowing in the areas that need food the most. I define over population as situation where the number of people directly hurt the quality of life of those living tin a particular area. Somalia, for example. Now, how to improve those factors, that's for another thread. By the way, I live in Wyoming, we do have lots of space but, in most parts, only a 90-day growing season.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 4 years, 5 months ago
    From Mother America on the Paris Agreement: Thank God for President Trump. It's bad enough having all my own sucking at my teats, but trying to accommodate those that are not mine is wearing me out. Let's face it folks, I haven't got that many teats.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 4 years, 5 months ago
    I held my nose and voted for the Trumpster, but he is looking like the "Second Coming" of Ronald Reagan to me these days. I have never seen so many campaign promises fulfilled is so short a time.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 4 years, 5 months ago
      So what? The important one, repeal ObamaCare, hasn't happened yet or even anything close to it.

      I'd like to see a report naming the RINO senators so we can work on making this happen in 2018.
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      • Posted by evlwhtguy 4 years, 5 months ago
        With you 1-00% on the RINO's. I think Trump has no illusions about them...it is part of his advantage of say Ted Cruse....Trump is not "Of the swamp"
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        • Posted by ewv 4 years, 5 months ago
          Trump has been a liberal and a crony making 'deals' with government for decades. He has his own swamp and has never defined what he means by the "swamp" he promised to drain.
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          • Posted by evlwhtguy 4 years, 5 months ago
            He is doing better than any of the previous Republican Presidents..at least the Bushes... thus far. As to "...making 'deals' with government for decades". While I have sympathy for what you are saying...When one is in Rome one best act like a Roman. He...like every other businessman in America is forced to play by the rules of those who have the guns. Not everyone wants to "Go on strike"
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            • Posted by ewv 4 years, 5 months ago
              No one forced him to like using eminent domain to take other people's private property and to go out of his way to make deals with politicians to do it. He is a Pragmatist wheeler dealer with no principles. He has yet to speak out on behalf of the rights of the individual. Everything to him is a "deal". Being principled does not mean "go on strike". The unprincipled Pied Piper Trump idolatry during the primaries was embarrassing enough without continuing it now.
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              • Posted by evlwhtguy 4 years, 5 months ago
                Of course no one forced him to use eminent domain in that way. He chose to do it. It was an option available to him. It would have been self-sacrifice to do otherwise. He did not create the situation he just took advantage of it when he found it. What's wrong with being a pragmatist. Not self-sacrificing is one of the key tenets of objectivism. It may not be entirely moral to utilize this system in this manner however morality is abstract construct. Certainly not part of objectivist Theory. At least morality as we tend to understand it.
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                • Posted by ewv 4 years, 5 months ago
                  Not sacrificing does not mean taking whatever you can get away with. No wonder you like Trump. Ayn Rand's concept of rational self interest is not Nietzsche and is not hedonism. The relevant principle is to neither sacrifice yourself to others nor others to your self. That is not an "abstract construct" detached from reality; the purpose of morality is to establish principles for living on earth.

                  Pragmatism is the philosophy of William James, Charles Peirce and John Dewey that has increasingly dominated American thought and politics for a century. It is the foundation of Progressivism with its premise that government power is a "tool" for whatever you want to accomplish. It holds that truth is whatever "works" and that what is true today need not be true tomorrow. It is against principle on principle.

                  Your cynical, 'nothing wrong with" being a Pragmatist, take what you can when you "find" yourself able to get away with it, isn't even civilized. It is not what Atlas Shrugged is about.
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              • Posted by evlwhtguy 4 years, 5 months ago
                I am sure we all marvel at your purity. Trump is just a predator operating in the environment that he found himself in. Government is the one with the guns that takes private property. Trump had no ability to do this without them. He is operating in a different environment now. Thus far he has fulfilled more promises that I have ever seen fulfilled and I am nearly 60. Lets hope for the best.
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                • Posted by ewv 4 years, 5 months ago
                  Drop the cynical sarcasm. It doesn't take whatever you think "purity" is to not be a life-long liberal pragmatist statist or to know not to hijack government eminent domain authority to steal other people's property just because you "found yourself in an environment" where you can get away with it.

                  Obama "fullfilled promises", too. It matters what they are. Trump's are typically vague and contradictory the more he talks, including major issues like the promised repeal of Obamacare now turning into a Republican version of government entitlements and control. Trump is an emotional thinker who lacks the principles and understanding necessary to "promise" anything meaningful. The Trump idolizers don't know the difference.
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                  • Posted by evlwhtguy 4 years, 5 months ago
                    OK...we get it...you don't like Trump. I didn't...but do now. His promises didn't seem vague to me and he sure as heck is following through on them.
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                    • Posted by ewv 4 years, 5 months ago
                      No it isn't "you don't like". You do not address the reasons for rejecting your posts and your cynical sarcasm, and don't seem to care.
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                      • Posted by evlwhtguy 4 years, 5 months ago
                        Why the heck should I? You are right...I don't care to fence words with someone who seems uninterested in any reasoning other than his own. You don't like Trump and you will not be convinced, or even persuaded otherwise. I lay a dollar to a doughnut that you would not even consider that he did anything well. If Trump parted the Red sea, you, I am certain, would find a reason to find fault with it.
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                        • Posted by ewv 4 years, 5 months ago
                          Trump does not part the seas. That is what the idolatry thinks. Rejecting your your flippant, snide comments supporting Pragmatist 'ends justifies the means' in seizing other people's property is not "fencing words". Words and principles have meaning.
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      • Posted by ewv 4 years, 5 months ago
        Trump has been leading the Rino pack in dodging the promised repeal of Obamacare as they stubbornly insist on 'replacing' it with their own statist-collectivst government run health care entitlement and control system. Adding insult to injury they promote this as 'free market', further giving an undeserved bad name to political and economic freedom as their 'free market' statism continues to fail.

        They have also failed to reform taxes as Trump pushes for what amounts to a national sales tax on imports, Trump is now pushing his massive "infrastructure" spending plans as the biggest "monument builder" of them all, and he has put the revocation of Obama's National Monument decrees on hold in a 'study'.
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    • Posted by $ Dobrien 4 years, 5 months ago
      So true. When Trump said "Because today we are not merely transferring power from one administration to another or from one party to another, but we are transferring power from Washington, D.C., and giving it back to you -- the people." I almost fell out of my chair
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    • Posted by $ 4 years, 5 months ago
      Well, let's be fair. It was ridiculously easy for him to keep those promises. All he had to do was rescind, rescind, rescind. That's what Obama gets for going around Congress.
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      • Posted by ewv 4 years, 5 months ago
        He appointed a Supreme Court Judge off a list given to him by conservatives during the campaign. That was more than rescinding, though the Senate Republicans had to rescind the filibuster for it.

        But he didn't seem to understand why or show any understanding what the criteria for a judge should be, only emoting over Gorsuch's academic background with names and titles that impressed him.

        During the campaign he promised to appoint judges who will overturn the right of abortion, which he may or may not have done. Who knows what the next one will be -- anything from conservative religious zealot to progressive in order to pander to one pressure group or another for whatever he emotionally feels works at the political moment ('You got one now it's their turn')?

        As for the rescinding, he hasn't revoked many (most?) of Obama Executive Orders. In particular he hasn't rescinded the National Monument decrees he campaigned against (when he wasn't swooning over "Federal lands").
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      • Posted by NealS 4 years, 5 months ago
        Yes, rescind, rescind, rescind. At least now if the people really want any of them back they can let the politicians try to take them through congress. An example: Trump should offer the dems the opportunity to bring back Obamacare through congress, and give the people the choice of either Obamacare or Trumpcare. Sign up and reflect the cost differences involved in individual tax plans. Then we would see what they really know. Congress gets the same plan choices as everyone else, and term limits must be imposed, no retirement. Congress should be an honor to serve by people that have proven they already know how to succeed.
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      • Posted by evlwhtguy 4 years, 5 months ago
        You are correct....but let me assure you....on Climate...on Immigration...and on almost every other thing, we would not have got the same level of rhetoric out of even Ted Cruse as we have got from the Trumpster. I have never heard or seen an "In Office" republican act like him. Gee whiz....for instance neither his wife, nor women staffers wore those dammed head scarves in Saudi Arabia. He then flew directly to Israel. ...WTHeck...he is a rock star.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 4 years, 5 months ago
    Here is a few words to those foreign govts who are wailing about Trump taking the US out of the Paris Climate Accords: "Shut up and Plant a Tree"!
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    Posted by $ MikeMarotta 4 years, 5 months ago
    Read it for yourself:
    http://unfccc.int/files/essential_bac...

    Frankly, I found nothing in it that threatens me, my livelihood, or my freedoms and liberties.
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    • Posted by $ 4 years, 5 months ago
      All right, let's talk about that. How do you reconcile "Intended National Defined Contributions"? Why did "President" Obama agree to a 28 percent reduction in CO2 emissions below 2005 levels by 2025 and not insist on a comparable, nor indeed any, reduction in CO2 emissions on the part of the Chinese?

      Have you forgotten what Henry Rearden says in Part 2 ("Either-or") of Atlas Shrugged? "You do not serve the public good. Nobody's good is ever served by human sacrifice. When you violate the rights of one, you violate the rights of all. And a country of rightless creatures is doomed to destruction."

      Do tell this community what objective good the Paris Agreement would have served. In other words, show, if you can, just cause why President Trump should not have acted as he did.
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    • Posted by DrZarkov99 4 years, 5 months ago
      While the treaty (that's what it is, regardless of the fiction of "executive agreement") spells out intent, it has no enforcement provisions. Any signatory could ignore any attempt to meet its self-imposed goals if it became difficult. Not a very meaningful document, on its face.

      However, the temptation is there for activist judges in the U.S. to treat it as settled law, and force businesses and states to abide by the provisions created to meet our goals under the accord. By formally announcing we do not consider ourselves a legal party to the accord, it removes that justification for endless litigation.

      Rest assured, if Clinton had become President, her administration would have pressed for doubling down on all the Obama promises under the accord. She already vowed to significantly increase our intake of refugees, so I have no doubt she would have felt compelled to accelerate the shutdown of the fossil fuel industry and increase the subsidizing of renewable power.

      The accord is just part of a globalist authoritarian grab for control over individual freedom. In practice it very much would have been an assault over your livelihood, freedoms, and liberties.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 4 years, 5 months ago
        Excellent observation. Thanks for saying what I have been too busy to post;^) I agree that the Trump action was part of a long term plan to prevent a future administration from using the congress-unapproved treaty to force foreign imposed limits on US business (with the consent of gutless looters of the GOP.) Trump's team wisely saw the potential for harm and sanely acted in the interests of American small to medium business, consumers, and the sovereign people.
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    • Posted by ewv 4 years, 5 months ago
      You have to be more careful when trying to be humorously sarcastic when posting -- no matter how outrageous the statement no one can see your eyes rolling.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 4 years, 5 months ago
      You must work for government.
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      • Posted by $ 4 years, 5 months ago
        Not necessarily. But he seems to have bought the lie that "the globe is warming" and that human beings are cooking the planet. I challenged him to tell us what objective good the Paris Agreement, as it stood, would have served for humanity or the world we live on. And I'm still waiting.

        Herr Doktor Josef Goebbels famously said if you tell a big-enough lie, people will believe it, on the erroneous theory that some lies are just too big to tell. I know otherwise.
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        • Posted by $ pixelate 4 years, 5 months ago
          Exactly. The 'save the world' libs are still spewing the fraudulent 97% of scientists agree on climate change nonsense. It is a little shocking, though, that the alternative media spokesmen are not calling them on it, as in "where do you get this 97% figure' -- and then explaining, in 30 seconds or less, the source of the 97%, how it was debunked and the observation that whenever anyone makes the claim that 97% of Anything is made, the listener's BS detector should start sounding.
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        • Posted by evlwhtguy 4 years, 5 months ago
          Let me further expand your point....Why is warming bad??? look at a map of the world....there is more land in northerly area in the northern hemisphere . Look at Canada, Alaska, and Siberia. All areas that could benefit from warming. If I was Putin...I would require every Russian to drive an SUV to help the process along....bur of course...it isn't really happening.
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          • Posted by $ 4 years, 5 months ago
            Well, in theory, if it warmed too much, it might squeeze us inland. But I don't see that to any significant degree, either. The larger point is that the only evidence I've seen anyone adduce for this kind of warming, has been a phony dry-lab job.
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