Yes, exactly.

Thank you.

For certain.

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Minority Report

Nice, cheap training package...:)

Not always. If I knew for sure who was behind an attack that did serious damage, I'd send a squad of cops to arrest them, or Marines to blow them to hell. But I'd rather hold off than take a chance of attacking the wrong target, because otherwise it's trivially easy for somebody to separate us from our real friends by a false-flag attack.

You know me on religion, islam or any other invisible friends. All bad. The different with islam might be, as you note, it IS inherently integrated with government, which is wholly unacceptable.

I am not a Islam scholar. But it looks to me just from my unscholarly readings that Islam is a political philosophy with the motivational trappings of a religion.The religion part does two things. It motivates persons to do things that under any other set of rules would be deemed irrational, and it is a cover allowing certain actions that would otherwise not be tolerated. Rand cautions about the mystic and the Hun. In Islam, you have them combined in one entity.

Do you think defense is the only/right solution?

I was wondering if you thought I was being too "guilty until proven innocent". At this point, it is clear that islam is not just a religion, and we can not simultaneously police against their little acts of vandalism (not trying to belittle those who have suffered, but from a military standpoint, they are simply an annoyance). There is no way you can tell me they can not police their own ranks. They know who the bad guys are. If they won't, they are part of the problem.

Maybe they should add watching NCIS and Castle to their police training. ;^)

Well, the issue is when you know people will, or may, (with good info) you either take preventative steps or stand there and say "sorry" afters. England is not doing so well at stopping the loons.

The problem of a nation ruled by law.

I make lots of comments here that I won't act on. I don't want the feds to assume people are going to act and lock them up on suspicion of a crime yet to be committed. Freedom for all entails some risks to the innocent to protect their rights. I agree that vetting immigrants (and "temporary" visitors) and using that information to protect the sovereign people is a step that should be taken.

Jan, the NSA creates lots and lots of tool for their very own use, and it was one of 6 of them that was leaked from them, and tried to be sold on the dark web, failed, and then was openly posted, and a few weeks later, wannacry came out. They do have the ability to track and identify anyone, for anything, when they want. The sheer number of attacks that go untracked, and unpunished is why they keep doing it, sort of like street robbery, until you have enough cops on the street, it will go on. You can board up your windows, and lock your doors, but sometimes they still break in. Thats when you need your own shotgun. Some techy needs to develop a nuke package that can deliver itself back to the criminals, and explode in their own system and put up a mushroom cloud on their screens with "You're Dead".

3 Of the recent attacks in England were by people know to British Intelligence...so why wait until they kill people to do anything? I would think they have a problem applying western legal and moral ethics to people who do not think that way. Sort of like training to deal with aliens when they show up....

I got that. Just wanted to add a cherry on top of the sundae.

Hence: dastardly, or Dastardly Do Little.....

Sorta like scum-sucking bottom dwellers?

That's not what I mean. I mean Muslim countries and/or groups. Demonstrate you will police your own ranks, or we will assume you are complacent.

Just fancy words for leeches!

Jeez, I would shrink like a plant hit by weed killer if called all that.

An oldie but a goodie.

Suspected possible terrorists should be made to wear an ankle bracelet so they'll know where they're at at all times.