The Second American Civil War

Posted by WWJGD 11 years, 7 months ago to Government
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Texas is leading the pack.

Nothing will come of this first effort, of course. Various agreements and court decisions have made clear that no State can peaceably leave the Union.

Which means only one thing: War. Over the same issue as the first American Civil War: slavery.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 11 years, 7 months ago
    It is one of Objectivism’s primary principles to avoid initiation of force, but if enough people peacefully decide to relinquish their U.S. citizenship and secede, the Union may attempt to use force against them to force them to stay. This would allow Objectivists to respond since they may not initiate it but they may respond in kind. When they come to take your possessions including your firearms, they WILL be using force. This could spark another civil war where brother is fighting brother.

    Let us hope it doesn’t come to this. I fear we are either to be involved in a revolution of some sort, hopefully a peaceful one where people are simply picking up the pieces and starting over after the inevitable crash, or the nation is doomed to an existence of mediocrity like the socialist European nations without incentive for risk taking entrepreneurs.

    Since the compassion of the Liberal progressives doesn’t extend to persons opposed to their ideology and they are presently in power, the likely hood, as itisntluck has stated, is such that any armed rebellion will likely be put down unless a public outcry is too loud to be ignored. I fear many American patriots/ Texans would die first because the official line would be that they are just a few right wing militia types and the MSM would fall in line.

    I do not believe the progressives understand the implications of their actions. There have always been people on opposing sides that were able till now to tolerate and coexist. The progressives have never stopped trying to force their way upon all, without concern for rebellion. They have learned nothing from history. The economics will catch up with them even if the opposition does not.

    Regards,
    O.A.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 7 months ago
    (That's not what the civil war was about, but I'll forgive you.)
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    • Posted by XenokRoy 11 years, 7 months ago
      It was not about slavery? States rights was secondary to the slavery cause from my understanding.

      Look at the confederate state constitution, the theme and the first thing discussed was not we have the right as states to leave the union, it was the lessor value of slaves and the lower mental capabilities. States rights was a cover for the battle over slavery. Would love to hear any historical evidence or books to read that would suggest otherwise.
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      • Posted by 11 years, 7 months ago
        People have been debating both sides of that question for decades. It's an interesting debate, but I'd like to stay out of it for this particular thread.
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  • Posted by itisntluck 11 years, 7 months ago

    To correct the article;

    This movement is a toothless temper tantrum thrown by idiots. Does anyone really think those FEMA camps all over the countryside are there for their aesthetic value?
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    • Posted by 11 years, 7 months ago
      If you're afraid of ending up in one of them, then just sit at home and be a happy slave.

      "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom--go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!"

      -- Samuel Adams
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    • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 7 months ago
      Are you talking about the prisons, next to railroad tracks, all over the place? It's about time somebody brought this up...
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      • Posted by itisntluck 11 years, 7 months ago
        Yep, those and a lot more that are out of sight. You Tube has some good video of the camps and their stockpile of thousands of plastic coffins. I spoke with a Marine in 2011 and he told me that US Soldier are being polled on their willingness to fire upon U.S. citizens.
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        • Posted by Joby117 11 years, 7 months ago
          I remember that plastic coffin video, but after some looking around they turned out to be planters or something of that sort (of course I wouldn't ever put it past the corrupt government to actually do that)
          I don't think they're coffins, because they wouldn't bother with burying us, just dig a mass grave for all us dissenters.
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