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"A measles outbreak in Minnesota particularly centered among unvaccinated individuals in Somali-American neighborhoods is spreading outside the community and even infected two people who had originally been vaccinated, state health officials said Thursday.
"There are 41 confirmed cases of the disease and health officials believe 2,500 individuals were exposed.
Two of the most recently contracted cases involved people who had received the recommended doses of the Measles, Mumps and Rubella (MMR) vaccine, the Minneapolis Star-Tribune reported on Thursday.
One was a healthcare worker who had been exposed to several infected patients, the paper said.
The outbreak has been concentrated in the state’s Somali community, where fear of vaccinations leading to autism has caused many parents not to vaccinate their children against the disease." -- Washington Times (not Washington Post) here:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2...
I did not vote down the original post because this is a discussion we should. I respect your facts. I just dispute your conclusions.
Measles is not a particular problem, The thing that surprised me is, once infected, one is protected life long, as opposed to just 10 years but also against many other diseases...goes to show how valuable the immune system is when left alone from allopathic humanoid intervention.
Don't know about you, but I got all the childhood diseases and never got sick again after that. There is something to be said about letting mother nature take it's course and engaging in the environment by playing in the dirt.
Someone, that didn't comment, marked you down, I voted you back up.
When I was drafted into the Marines (1969), we were herded like cattle through a chute, getting shots on both sides.
One was in my butt or how I learned I was allergic to penicillin. No recruit on Parris Island got to call home on Christmas unless they were in the infirmary. My folks were really glad to hear from me on that day.
I married a nurse during the 80s. So you know three kids got all their shots.
Maybe pinheads didn't put dangerous stuff like mercury and aluminum into vaccines back then.
I never heard of such stupid crap until I landed into The Gulch.
One thing is for sure, parents have a right to know if such poison is added to a vaccine.
It should center around the individual.
I believe that people who are sick but "catching a cold" or "getting over it" should not socialize. It is not that I need "total isolation" but that you have no right to bring your diseases into my environment. Otherwise we have Typhoid Mary who was not sick herself, but who killed other people with her germs. (From below ... https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post... )
Times have most certainly changed, however, and so have the risks of contracting measles, so I would agree with you that it may be time to re-evaluate the mandate in that light. Technologies have also changed and we might now be able to identify individuals at high risk for the vaccine (noting that those same individuals with a sensitivity to the vaccine would almost certainly die if they ever came into contact with the actual disease). I believe that the policy should be adjusted to encourage but not mandate vaccination and allow the parents to weigh the risks.
The surprising information is the benefits received by actually getting the measles virus and being protected against other diseases.
Just for some reality in the discussion from Wiki:
"Measles affects about 20 million people a year,[1] primarily in the developing areas of Africa and Asia.[3] It causes the most vaccine-preventable deaths of any disease.[9] It resulted in about 73,000 deaths in 2014, down from 545,000 deaths in 1990.[5][10] In 1980, the disease was estimated to have caused 2.6 million deaths per year.[3] Most of those who are infected and who die are less than five years old.[3] The risk of death among those infected is usually 0.2%,[7] but may be up to 10% in those who have malnutrition.[3] It is not believed to affect other animals.[3] Before immunization in the United States, between three and four million cases occurred each year.[7] As a result of widespread vaccination, the disease was eliminated from the Americas by 2016.[11]
I would not trust wiki fully, they are part of the establishment and have no particular attachment to truth, facts and accuracies.
As for MMR vaccine, mercury compounds have not been used for more than a decade but the autism rate still increases. The use of aluminum compounds has good reasons along with other chemicals.
Also the dosage makes the poison and there is no evidence for any poison being added to vaccines.
Wiki of course can be slanted any time politics gets involved as in articles on climate or medicine but with vaccines the INTERNET is rife will quasi- and pseudoscience. Just try to find out who is a propagandist or not. Those who sell supplements may not be the best to trust with scientific knowledge.
Yes mercury has been used for centuries...it was called "quackery".
I posted these videos because they are the best reasonable discussions on the subject I have heard to date. These people are Doctors and lab techs...not crazy supplement providers and I thought it was important to share. There is some good information here that you won't get on the quasi pseudoscience sites on the internet.
The MMR gives you three diseases at the same time...how do you think the body response to that...not very well I say.
As for your reference to mercury being used for centuries being quackery, that does not imply that there is no reason not to use a mercury compound for other reasons than to pretend that it somehow fights some disease. One context does not imply a different context.
Chemical compounds have different identities and do not act biologically the same, so elemental mercury has different properties than all mercury compounds and same for aluminum and its compounds. Those used in pharmaceuticals have been studied throughly and not just by drug companies. But whether something is a poison will depend upon its dosage and nothing more.
The condition of the body receiving it (the disease ) is the most important factor. Virtually all the measles deaths are because of malnutrition before the disease. Hardly anyone died from measles in the 1st world before the vaccine because the people had healthy fully functioning defense systems. All the global stats on deaths are misleading when applied in the US. The real problem to solve is malnutrition and hygiene in the third world. Solve that and the measles death stats will be negligible (except to the specific families affected, of course.)
But it all comes down to some form of evidence based science and thus scientific medicine and not just gut or knee jerk reactions.
http://www.actionbioscience.org/envir...
But what would I know as a BS (1963) from the that "pinko" University of Wisconsin Dept. of Chemistry and over fifty years of study and thought.
Laughing...(joke)
Time for the drug companies to go on strike to let you and those of like mind find out what the health of the world's peoples would be like trying to apply non modern evidence based medicine. Perhaps you can buy a shovel to help bury the dead.
Medical science, as with most science, is kind of over all asymptotic to the truth and not absolutely certain like your faith based beliefs.
3 Evidence based medicine? I think not, more like "lets skid by", I hate people and political based medicine...corner one of these creatures and ask them...would YOU take this crap?...most, I bet, would say NO! the conscious ones anyway.
There is something basically wrong with a system that only concerns itself with symptoms and not causes...you need to pay attention to both, ease the pain while you treat the cause. For most, it'll be poor nutrition, bad habits or toxic environmental overloads.
Truthfully Irshultis, you trust your schooling, government and the system way too much. We've been lied to not just about our history but the causes of disease and it's treatments as well.
If you watched all 7 parts you would of seen real Doctors faced with real life observations and woke up...many of the Doctors with their own children...these are the guys that know what really works and what doesn't, they lived it.
I was hoping you of all people here, would have been objective enough to listen to it all.
I do not take the statements of reporters, as in the documentary, without question.
I do agree that many of the vaccines need not be given early or even later. My doctor keeps on me to get a very expensive vaccine for shingles even though I had chickenpox and much later shingles.
The idea is that it might reduce the severity of another case of shingles. So much for the idea that getting a viral disease when very young will give immunity for maybe the rest of one's life.
Listening to the whole documentary may or may not require objectivity. I would suspect that most viewers would be far from objective in their viewing habits. I do have trouble, but will do so, watching very biased stuff usually quasi-scientific stuff. At times it is hard to read some comments here in the Gulch that seem extremely biased to me, but I learn something from them.
I used to post to USENET humanities.objectivism until the idiots took over and Betsy and Steven went elsewhere to a highly moderated place. Just glad that The Gulch has some but not too severe moderation. Get rid of that and you get porn and some repeated posts of some idiot white supremest or anti-Jew or such taking over the threads.
Crossing the blood/brain barrier was new to me and was worth learning. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on that, no rush, we all have busy lives.
It is a trade-off. If a child could be proved to have been made autistic because of the vaccine, it must be true that the disease itself could cause autism in some. Vaccines are only "dead germs." If the dead ones do that, the live ones must do more or do worse.
It is fallacious thinking to say, "I did not get sick again, therefore let Mother Nature always take her course." Your outcome was not another's.
As far as my immune system being better for experiencing these diseases naturally is not to say that everyone should allow nature take it's course. The one thing I always promote is the work of Dr Peter D'Adamo which seems to have a system that at least tries and mostly succeeds at identifying those at risk.
We all need to do our homework but then again, we haven't been taught that we could do a lot better of taking care of ourselves.
Granted, the odds are against us finding the right protocols to follow for good health in this paradigm but even if we get lucky, we will likely get a bout of something or another that our bodies are woefully unprepared for.
The problem with vaccinations as proposed by the gov. is that like all things that comes out of Washington, it's one size fits all. If millions of vaccinations are given, there are bound to be some with negative effects. If the negative effect hits your child, then you will not be inclined to be a supporter of inoculation. The question boils down to whether or not you as a parent is willing to take a chance with your child even if the odds are heavily in your favor.
Yes, vaccines aren't perfect for everybody, but they are meant to protect a whole community, especially the few whom those diseases might kill, not just the individual receiving the shot. Thus I see refusal as sort of like reckless driving -- most of the time you'll get away with it, but why take the chance?
Instead, why don't we identify those with poor immune systems and build them up naturally and leave the rest of us alone.
Some people are more susceptible than others and it is not just "good health" (paleo diet or whatever) but factors more specific and less well understood.
Maybe that's too hard, less profitable or not even a consideration.
We have to admit, some vaccines contain bad stuff. Chemicals that are harmful on their own.
I had German measles as a child (pre-vaccine days), got pneumonia, and fever 103. However, what nearly killed me was the cure, penicillin! Hives, fever spiked at 106 and coma followed the antibiotic injection. Sometime, drugs are more dangerous than the disease.
What really scares me is when the Queen's husband, and Bill gates start talking about how much of the population has to be reduced, in the millions, and Gates tells a group to whom he is speaking, "vaccines are the way to go'? Erie! I know the UN talks of required birth control, and pregnancy only by license, but was Gates referring to mandatory birth control, or soemthing else?
Mercury is not the only culprit, as aluminum additives are used in some vaccines, and dementia resembles afflictions caused by ingestion of aluminum. Of course some people still cook with aluminum pots and pans, so it's hard to determine any substantive connection with vaccines. Third party studies on the effects of incidental aluminum exposure have cast doubt on this metal being much of a hazard, but it does give some people cause for worry.
There may in fact be no substantive connection between vaccines and certain maladies, but serious research done by parties with no conflict of interest would help to put the concerns to rest.
Dr. Peter D'Adamo of http://right4yourtype.com has done an amazing amount of work in this area.
It's the first place to start in achieving good health and I think it's the lowest common denominator to be considered for good health...we can work our way up from there.
His original book: Live Right 4 your type or even the original Eat Right 4 Your Type gives you a complete synopsis, Biological, chemical and anthropological facts to consider.
Have your magnesium levels checked...
My thoughts are with you,
Carl
Typhoid Mary did not get sick herself. She just made other people sick and dead. Some people here think that it was wrong to imprison her. That other people got sick was their problem, not hers. I disagree.
My body, being a non-secretor, cannot infect others; my immune antibodies only exist in my blood, not in any other bodily fluids.