Mike Lee proposes three major bills to limit government

Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 9 months ago to Politics
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IMO, all three would be major steps in the right direction. The best part was his acknowledgement that it was Congress' own avoidance that has created the massive overreaches of the bureaucracies.


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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It set the stage for the lack of property rights we have now. Even Jefferson had several hundred slaves, so the individual liberty idea of the constitution wasnt even followed back then. Biggest reason that the constitution is weak today is that it was weak even then...
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The reason property was not included in the original Declaration was at that time slavery was still the norm for many people. Madison especially did not want to explicitly recognize anything even remotely resembling slavery in the Declaration or Constitution so property was excluded from the final document. It was a concession to the times. If you read many of the Founders notes, the rights of private property were predominant among them.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Anyone who wants to get around the law will find a way. These are steps towards the Legislature taking back the power they should hold (which they have delegated to Executive bureaucracies).

    The first is to prevent rules and other actions by bureaucracies which cross a cost threshold to be redirected to Congress (they are more appropriately legislative actions than exercise of executive discretion).

    The second reverses the Supreme Court precedent which gives tremendous leeway to bureaucracies' rulemaking authority and establishes a different standard to replace "Chevron Deference". (For a thorough explanation on how Chevron Deference came to pass and its ramifications, Hillsdale College's lecture is illustrative: (https://online.hillsdale.edu/courses/...)

    The third one would fundamentally change the out-of-control practice of asset forfeiture and remove the pecuniary interests which currently present tremendous conflicts of interest.

    Each one is a tremendous step in the right direction.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    we need some major changes, like replacing "happiness" with "property" in the constitution itself so property rights are protected as opposed to some amorphous reference to "happiness".

    We got a 4 year slowing down of the march to socialism in january of this year. The swamp isnt going to allow much more than that.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 9 months ago
    I'll start writing lawmakers. It can't hurt and might help.

    In case this helps, the bill numbers are:
    REINS Act - HR 26
    Separation of Powers Restoration Act - HR 76
    Agency Accountability Act - HR 5499
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is the alternative I was thinking of when I made the comparison to a horse's leg.
    John Ross described the thought process very well in Unintended Consequences.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I had trouble understand just how these laws would curb the operation of the swamp. I think the swamp creatures would just find ways to get around them.
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 9 months ago
    Really 3, I would like to see any single bill that will limit government. governments will not ever be limited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Broken horse legs rarely mend successfully, for the most part, because the horse is incapable of holding the restful position required. Hence the .38 as an appropriate treatment. (Yes, I have.)

    The analogy for legislatures is tempting but generally not appropriate. (No I have not. Not yet.)
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And you need adequate bracing materials, not those provided by those who want to keep the horse crippled. You have to keep the competition from undermining the bracing, too.
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  • Posted by 47L45 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The other solution is to find allies in the anarcho-capitalist and libertarian separatist movement and found a genuinely free community for libertarians and Objectivists. Even if it does not overtake the world, it will at least provide us a haven from the overreach of parasites.

    I think someone even wrote a book about that.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Completely agree that the right path must be taken, but I do not think working within the system will work. No one gets to DC without some weakness that the looters will exploit, either through corruption or threat. Band aids just strengthen their hold by placating the serfs. Playing the game by the rules established to enslave us will not work.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The system wasn't broken in a day. It's not going to get fixed in a day. But we have to start moving in the right direction for that to happen - not simply complain and keep walking in the wrong one.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 9 months ago
    Band aids on the horse's broken leg.
    The looting corrupt whores will just find more loopholes the size of the Potomac.
    As long as they reap rewards from treason and steal the production of the people at gunpoint via the income tax there will be no return to constitutionally limited government. No individual liberty. No free markets.
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