While I'm not in the market for a solar vehicle, the roof...

Posted by $ blarman 6 years, 11 months ago to Science
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And of course its going to depend on how much it costs. I'm sorry, but $50K for a roof isn't going to sell me...
SOURCE URL: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-10/tesla-s-solar-roof-is-finally-ready-for-you-to-buy?cmpid=BBD051017_BIZ


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  • Posted by chad 6 years, 11 months ago
    If it requires tax credits to get the cost down to $50K then taxpayers are subsidizing the cost. If Musk is getting subsidies to manufacture 'green' energy then the cost is even higher and requires more polluting people to go to work everyday to pay taxes to subsidize his invention. Another wonderful invention from the "State Science Institute" for man. It will work as long as there is someone to rob to pay for it.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 6 years, 11 months ago
    Affordable? Not hardly. The cost of a new roof for an average size home is about $5K, so this will only be affordable to upper income buyers. The technology isn't available to make this common, yet.

    Sodium batteries are projected to arrive on the market in 2-3 years. They use cheaper materials, store about twice as much energy as lithium batteries, and recharge in minutes instead of hours. That helps the storage side of the cost, but a breakthrough in solar power production is still needed.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 6 years, 11 months ago
    It all comes down to the economics... here in the People's Republic of California, we average $700 monthly gas/electric bills, people with the McMansions I've seen with $3000 monthly bills.

    I've had SolarCity for 3 years, I average about $130 / month all-in for grid-tie and solar costs on a built-in-1976 2200 sq foot single-story ranch (not the most energy-efficient option on the market).
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 6 years, 11 months ago
    The future value of $50,000 invested in a 3% Treasury bond for 30 years is approximately $121,000--almost twice the energy savings over this period.
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    • Posted by ewv 6 years, 11 months ago
      Behind the marketing hype:

      http://uk.businessinsider.com/solarci...

      SolarCity's solar installations crash nearly 40%
      Nichola Groom, Reuters
      May 4, 2017, 12:37 PM

      "(Reuters) - Tesla's SolarCity reported a drop of nearly 40 percent in solar installations for the first quarter on Wednesday, the latest sign of a reversal in fortunes for the once high-flying residential solar industry...

      "The company, which announced last week it was curatiling door-to-door sales, said it had prioritized higher-margin projects that generate cash up front rather than trying to sell as many installations as possible. But the dramatic drop in sales for a company that had consistently delivered double-digit growth puts it in line with a broad trend affecting the rooftop-solar industry.

      "Across the sector, installers report more difficulty finding customers. Subsidies have dwindled or been eliminated in some states, and many of the easiest consumers to sell to - environmentally conscious homeowners with disposable income - have already purchased rooftop systems...

      "Stiff competition in the industry has pushed some companies out of the market, or forced them to scale back. One of the nation's biggest rooftop solar companies, Sungevity, filed for bankruptcy earlier this year...

      "At the same time, consumer complaints about high-pressure sales tactics are on the rise, according to government and private agencies. They say that aggressive door-to-door soliciting and telemarketing have soured some consumers on solar, as have online ads promising 'free solar'.

      "Solar-related complaints to the Better Business Bureau, a non-profit that promotes ethical business practices, are up 29 percent nationwide so far this year, Greg Dunn, president of the Hawaii BBB, said during a presentation at the conference. Nearly a quarter of those complaints relate to sales practice issues..."
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  • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 11 months ago
    Obama and Bush stole the money from taxpayers and gave it to Obama's boy Elon to buy a company for $2 billion. Then Elon offers to steal more from the gullible idiots who buy this line of bullshit from Bloomliar and the flim-flam man Musk.
    This reminds me of the proclamations from Atlas Shrugged about the wonderful products from the State Science Institute, except that in this case Bloomliar is fronting for Wall Street to puff up the stock price of Musk's turds so the street can short it and dump it to the retail investor.

    This is even a bad deal for buyers living on the sunny side of Mercury.

    Next you will see a big new tax rebate program at Elon's request coming out of your pocket into his.
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  • Posted by unitedlc 6 years, 11 months ago
    Where I live we have cheap electricity (less then .09/kwh) so it doesn't make much sense. Places where electricity is above about .16 starts to make sense if you plan on retiring in a home. Long term this could actually save you a decent amount of money, not to mention making you that much more self sufficient and not reliant on a utility company for your lighter power needs.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 11 months ago
    I like the idea, but my roof is only seven years old. I wonder how the tiles stand up to hail. That a huge thing b/c whenever a hail storm roles through contractors are out like vultures saying they know how to get insurance to buy you a new roof.
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    • Posted by ewv 6 years, 11 months ago
      They say the "roof" is guaranteed for the life of the home (or the life of the company, whichever ends first). But the power production is guaranteed for 30 years (or the life of the company, whichever ends first). Typically the time period for 'payback' on the "investment", including tax "credits", has been longer than the working life of the solar panels. They admit that the power provided by this one is less efficient by an unspecified amount, and costs 30% more.
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    • Posted by unitedlc 6 years, 11 months ago
      They show a video of how well it holds up to hail. Also it is supposed to have a "lifetime" warranty against breakage. What is unclear is if that includes hail or other acts of science.
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